Bay Roan or Blue Roan

[rabbitsfizz]

Sorry Shamus mom, I totally disagree- he does not look "classic Roan" at all, and I've seen a few in my time. He looks Grey, but I'm pretty sure he's not. We do need to see pictures before we can go any further with this. We also need to know just how sure you are of your facts, since this stallion was not yours so I am presuming the mare was not bred on your property?????

 

[AppyHollow]

I have seen the sire in person. She was in the pasture with him when I picked her up. He looked black & white pinto in his winter hair but I went to their website and he's a blue roan & white pinto! Four Nickels Warpaint.

They only have the one stallion so couldn't be another sire.

His dam is a silver bay with an appy sire. She has no white on her at all. So I think the roan is coming from Warpaint.

The reason I wasn't sure about bay roan or blue roan is that he's got a bluish cast to him. And foal colors can sure trick you!

He can't be a grey since neither parent is grey and he wasn't born with goggles. Every horse I've had born that turned grey was born with goggles(white hairs around the eyes). He didn't get any white hairs on him until he started shedding out(about 2 weeks ago).

Thanks for all the opinons, guys! I'll register him as bay roan. Not that the two young girls who are waiting for him to be delivered late next month will care at all! And he'll be a gelding before spring.

Rhapsody Rhodes

Appy Hollow Farm

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Whoa, Nellie!! That horse looks Grey and White to me, not Roan. Again with the grey hairs on the head- can you see?? Roans have SOLID heads and points. I think your foal is GREY!!!!

 

[AppyHollow]

Then why did he look black to me in his winter hair? I thought he was a black & white pinto when I picked her up in January.

And the colt had NO WHITE HAIRS on him at all when he was born. I have seen those goggles on a few foals & know exactly what that means but he didn't have them. Was just a little bay colt. Dark hair around his eyes.

Rhapsody

 

[ThreeCFarm]

I have to agree, that is a gray stallion. His head looks just like his flanks, and if he were roan, his head (even clipped) would be much darker than his flanks. Maybe he looked black in January because he still has quite a bit of color for a clipped gray. I'm betting that if you would have looked closely at the stallion in January, you would have seen evidence of gray.

 

[Boinky]

yep that sire to the foal definatly looks like a grey and white pinto to me! i'm not a color expert but he doesnt' have the roan charachteristics that i've always been taught roans have! the grey and white pinto's i've seen do tend to be darker in the winter...especially if they haven't greyed out alot.. remember..grey usually comes over time. the stallion probably was in a darker phase of his greying pattern and the winter hair does usually tend to be darker. I have had not just ONE but TWO mini's that are GREY and were registered as blue roans. no doubts they were grey though once they matured. the father of my stallion was definatly a grey from the photo's i saw of him too but was registereda roan as well.. i'm curious as to weather HIS mother was truly a roan too. I find it very discouraging that the registry charges you to change colors. isn't the point of a registry to maintain accurate records? most people i know wont pay to change the colors.. not to mention many mini's start out a differnt color than they end up from what i've seen! so their whole color database is certainly not something to go on! anyhow i vote for a GREY!

 

[ThreeCFarm]

Minicount, isn't your gray colt a roan that is graying out?

 

[Boinky]

oh yeah another thought i had.. i always was told that a true roan started out roaned.. they didn't "get roaned" along the way if it was true roaning your boy doesn't look like he's at all roaned except for the "greying" around his eyes and face. they are roan from the time they are born unless they aren't a true roan like a appaloosa that can roan out over time or a grey.

 

[Miniequine]

Check out equinecolor.com

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Bay- at birth - very light/ lots of white hair on legs

Grey - at birth - very dark/solid color legs

 

[minicount]

Sorry if it wasn't clear in the last post, one is and one is not a roan.

Roan (pictured with her roan mother in July)

Here is another bad picture but it shows her sire.

Not a roan. He appears roan, as did all of his siblings, but as neither sire or dam is roan he can not be called roan. I bet by the age of five he will be white with dark points.

I agree that the sire to the horse in the origanal post is a grey and white.

Boinky, although roans are born roan when born they do not "look" roan.

 

[Dona]

I'm definitely going to have to agree with the others here....that sire is NOT a roan.

He is clearly a black & white pinto going "gray". So your colt is graying out as well, and cannot be a "roan". UNLESS the sire is both, roan AND gray.

Boinky......roans do NOT always start out looking like a roan. My Baylee started out looking VERY bay. I searched very closely by parting her hair every day for weeks to see if I could see any signs of roaning (since her dam is a Bay roan)....but nothing. Not until she was about 6 - 7 weeks old, did her roaning start coming in. Then when I body clipped her for the first time...her true colors showed!

Here is Baylee at birth

And here she is at 2 months old, after being clipped.

 

[Boinky]

hehe ok so i'm wrong about the roaning thing..but i still vote that the stallion is a black pinto greying and that the baby is going grey too

*sigh* i just wish i were lucky enough to have a gorgeous blue roan (though i'd settle for the right red roan!)!

 

[Ashley]

I agree the sire is a black pinto going gray. The foal is going gray as well. NOt all grays are born with goggles. I had one born that it was not evident that he was graying until I was sent pics of him in his 2 year old year.

 

[Meavey]

Yep daddy is a grey-pinto.

Some horses do grey slowly, so maybe in his wintercoat he looked darker, when clipped they are always very light, and in that driving pic he looks very light.