Lol I agree Bree... I had no choice in the matter but Finn is turning out more pony anyway... I have heard of a new registrar (if that the right word) that will register both pony n horse... Would be interesting to see the others point of viewWings said:
Bree I see you lurking LOL HELP!Hummmmmmm. So Suzie is a mini pony because she is 34" or under because her mother was a Shetland (actually reg Shetland or just Shetland type?) - what was her father? Then Penny is a mini horse because her parents were mini horses and THEIR parents were mini horses, right? So where did the mini horses come/originate from in the first place - horses/ponies/Shetlands/mini Shetlands??????
This is going to be interesting LOL!!
The Miniature Horse is a small well balanced animal not exceeding 8.1/2 hands in height measured at the last hair of the mane possesing good temperament and being free from hereditary unsoundness.
It must not show signs of poor condition or mal-nourishment.
Mares should show feminity
Stallions should show masculinity and boldness, without aggression.
A) It should have typical horse appearance in miniature.
B) It should have an upright carriage without exaggerated length of body
C) It should have greater length of leg in relation to depth of girth.
D) It should represent a fine apperance, showing grace and balance.
A small horse well Balanced animal not exceeding 8.2 1/2 hands in height at the heghest point of the weither, prossessing good temperament and free from hereditary unsoundness
Mare should show Femininity.
Stallion should show Masculinity and boldness, without aggression.
(A) Should have typical appearance in miniature.
(B) Should be stocky and compact, allowing some lenth in the back, without exaggeration.
© While the body should have well sprung ribs an generous girth with a well rounded rump, the whole should be well balanced and well proportioned to height.
The history of it all was we started with minis who were registered and shown with our pony stud book. But people began to import more horse types from America despite the bias in the ring being for true pony type. So they split off and formed the mini horse groups that we have now along with a very defined mini pony and a very defined mini horse. Our horse type was set by the imports, mini ponies, australian ponies and welshies.
I only breed horses here, it's a look I prefer (although I have wanted to steal a few friends little ponies!) But I like that we have the types seperated like this, I think it's somthing a few other places could benefit from
It would certainly avoid a lot of the foundation vs modern stuff!
I know lucky lodge says no big deal but the horse ring demands refinement and as I breed for the ring I structure my program around looking for that perfectly put together typey horse so that my foals will be competitive. The pony ring also stays true to type, their most refined pony winner will not make it in the horse ring and that's the way it should be, they should be one or the other. I feel the mixing of the types in a breeding program creates a watered down version of either. I've seen horses with dual registry showing and they rarely do well in either ring. Plus as the type is different you can get a pony body on a horse leg and similar mix and match results that just don't look right.
The only time I have seen the cross make sense is if you have somthing that will throw heavily to one type. My mares Dreamy and Beauty share a pony dam but when crossed to horse she threw horse so in the early days of establishing the horse type she was a very useful mare. These days there wouldn't be much point using her, although she threw nice horses in her time there are enough quality horse type mares on the ground so we don't have to dip into the ponies to produce our foals.
Okay did that cover everything?
No idea so let me know if I missed somthing!
LOL you did great Bree!! I knew you would be able to handle it!The divsion is more on type rather then height as has been said many times the mini is more of a height breed then a type breed.
Over here we have 1 main group for ponies, 3 for horses, 2 smaller groups that will take both and now the big group I'm with has started holding shows for ponies and may open their doors for registry.
Breed standards from a registry that accepts both:
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The history of it all was we started with minis who were registered and shown with our pony stud book. But people began to import more horse types from America despite the bias in the ring being for true pony type. So they split off and formed the mini horse groups that we have now along with a very defined mini pony and a very defined mini horse. Our horse type was set by the imports, mini ponies, australian ponies and welshies.
I only breed horses here, it's a look I prefer (although I have wanted to steal a few friends little ponies!) But I like that we have the types seperated like this, I think it's somthing a few other places could benefit from
It would certainly avoid a lot of the foundation vs modern stuff!
I know lucky lodge says no big deal but the horse ring demands refinement and as I breed for the ring I structure my program around looking for that perfectly put together typey horse so that my foals will be competitive. The pony ring also stays true to type, their most refined pony winner will not make it in the horse ring and that's the way it should be, they should be one or the other. I feel the mixing of the types in a breeding program creates a watered down version of either. I've seen horses with dual registry showing and they rarely do well in either ring. Plus as the type is different you can get a pony body on a horse leg and similar mix and match results that just don't look right.
The only time I have seen the cross make sense is if you have somthing that will throw heavily to one type. My mares Dreamy and Beauty share a pony dam but when crossed to horse she threw horse so in the early days of establishing the horse type she was a very useful mare. These days there wouldn't be much point using her, although she threw nice horses in her time there are enough quality horse type mares on the ground so we don't have to dip into the ponies to produce our foals.
Okay did that cover everything?
No idea so let me know if I missed somthing!
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From what I have seen of Finn he looks to have the build of the lighter ponies but will probably be too heavy to excel as a horse. If I was in Cassie's position I would seek out a light build pony stallion if wanting a similar foal to Finn or if wanting a heavier foal would seek out that sort of sire.
If you have pony parents but want to register the foal horse there is nothing to stop you doing this, the same works in reverse. At this point both the pony and horse groups are not moving to lock one type out of their books but anything that doesn't conform well to type will not do well in the ring. Mini shetlands fit in with the ponies. We have very few Falabellas over here and the few I know of were shown pony. Sadly I do not know of any in the ring at this time
I'll talk about it forever if you let meSorry folks, but I'm really enjoying this - hope no one is taking offence as I am really trying to see the way that Australia looks at this, but I do like getting everyone together for an in depth discussion on a subject where there are so many different 'answers', so please treat this like fun.
As said above you can register them in any of the groups. However one thing I have seen is a pony who threw a more horse type who when bred threw heavily pony! I think this is one important reasons to start seperating the breeds, I'd love to seen steps taken to prevent dual registry in time.
lol Anna! I hope the above gives a bit of help on how the registry currently works.
I hope everything is alright!Sorry gotta go - had vet out to PT early this evening with colic (no idea why he had a tummy ache, nothing wrong with him! Just wind I expect?) Anyway got to go do a last check on him just to make sure it hasn't re-occurred - buscopen worn off by now). So catch you all on the morrow.
As said you can do it, and the registry wouldn't do anything about it.over in perth you can put 2 mini horses together and if the foal turns out to chuncky like a mini
pony you can rego it as a pony..and ive got friends over here who have done that....if someone asked
me if thay could use my stallion wich is horse to be breed to there mini pony as long as had great comformation ect ect it would have to be nice b/c its my stud on the line ...i would say yes
would you?????????????????????
I think it's worked really well over here. You get your horse types and imported american shetlands prancing around in their own ring and the stocky pony types living it up in theirs!I WISH we had some division by weight! That sounds just perfect! That would cover those miniatures that are the 'older' style with the greater 'substance' to their frame!
Yes he is considered one of the lighter ones. Odd judge that day, picked a lot of light ponies and heavy horses
No problems, they where just a few examples as I'm sure I don't have to tell you what variety crops up with the minis!Interesting pictures though - thanks for taking the trouble to post them.
