By what age should the testes have descended?

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A bad natured horse is a bad natured horse, gelding does not change that, BUT gelding will remove the possibility of a nice calm stallion suddenly climbing over a startled and badly hurt child in order to get at a mare no-one knew was in season.
Thank you Fizzy, that is exactly what I was thinking myself. He is as sweet as pie towards my daughter. LOVES her. BUT...If he's not thinking with his brain, well, things can happen, and if something happened to my child that I could have prevented I don't know what I'd do. I don't want to wait and see if he gets aggressive because then it would be too late, and someone would have been hurt. I also have four small nephews that come pet the horses every now and then and they aren't as experienced with them as my kids are.

Thank you all so much for your opinions and advice. I really appreciate hearing different viewpoints, and many times one of you brings up something that I didn't even consider.

Stacye
 
Since here, it costs over $1000 for a gelding of a horse that has not dropped, I prefer not to keep a stallion who has dropped late. I like to sell my babies at birth, and will guarantee them dropped. I have never had a big horse that dropped successfully if he was not dropped at birth.

There are way too many stallions out there, IMO for me to bother with one that does not produce babies that drop early.

Our younger stallion, had me REALLY worried til he was 2, I could feel the one from day one, but the second one, I could feel SOMETHING behind the 1st one, but was never sure if it was the testicle or the part of the upper penis (sorry for the language). I worried and worried. The gal that sold him to me, assured me and had the vet check him, that they were there. Now his babies the colts) have both been born with them down, and they have never retracted them, so I am very happy.

I just have too many worries, about the babies and selling them without having to worry about them dropping.

The first stallion we bought, we bought as a weanling and didnt know enough to have him checked, come 2 year old year, he had NO sign of ANYTHING, he was slicker then a gelding, in fact when we took him in to geld him (no testes, no stallion, after waiting 2 years, very dissapointing) the vet took 2 hours on the table to find his second testes, that was way up pretty well against his backbone, or so the vet exagerated by saying, and only as big as his thumb, when this was a full sized horse, 15.2 hands tall! The vet when he palpated him, said, are you sure he was never gelded?

So now when buying a stallion, I ask, and even have them send me pictures of them, I usually ship stallions in, and would not want to spend the trucking on a horse that was not dropped. Even if I were buying as a gelding, with the high cost of chryptorchid gelding, I would never even consider a colt that was not descended.
 
What is very important to know, IMO, is whether or not the colt was dropped at birth. Unfortunately, if you - the buyer - weren't around close to that time, you have to take the word of the breeder. This means it's very important to buy from a breeder you trust.

Colts who are dropped at birth, and then "pull up" their testicles WILL drop them. Some drop as yearlings, the majority drop as two year olds, and a small number drop as three year olds.....it's very rare for them to drop older than that, but it has happened, although never for us personally.

It seems that the age of maturity runs with bloodlines, from what has been reported. Plus, if a colt is not showing testicles at birth, a trustworthy and dedicated breeder should NEVER plan on selling OR using that colt as a stallion.

In short (pardon the pun), these little guys are AGAIN not like the full sized equine.

MA

PS: editted for typo.
 
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Found the little buggars! Amidst lots of hopping and squirming on Pretty Jeff's part, I found them! YAY. Whoever said they were about the size of lima beans, you were right.

At any rate, thought I'd update all you kind souls who have advised me here.

I tried to call the vet, but they are closed today (imagine that) so I'm going to make him an appointment at first chance to get his jingle bells removed. Bout time to take down the Christmas decorations anyway!

He has been a pistol today. We had some little girls visit the farm and they wanted to lead the fillies around, and he objected to them taking HIS "mares" away from him, and I caught him trying to mount Kissime. He looked earnest about it, but she rejected him.

Thanks again for the advice, and I'll let you know how it goes,

Stacye
 
Jefferson (Pretty Jeff) has an appointment with the vet on Thursday. He is still in blissful ignorance, but as I watched Kissime thwart his advances yet again, I am glad that I decided to geld. Will let you all know how it goes...
 

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