Coggins Testing How does the law read on this?

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I live in NH and I DO vaccinate but the cost has gone through the roof. If I paid my vet for all I vaccinate for it would be about $2000 a year, the vaccines at cost are $300 do the math. [That is also without the coggins!] I have had to get a coggins 2x a year when we have done Equine Affaire [my expenses out of pocket would make you choke] Coggins IS NOT required within the state every six months but if you show at UNH where the lab is they DO require it every six months [money making]. I am a professional farrier and I do know about rising costs but some of these are ridiculous. I would MUCH rather see rabies required as it is a deadly disease for humans as well as other animals than a coggins test! Linda
 
horses do die from WN and it is a horrible death as well after seeing quite a few horses with it in the vet clinic all in one weekend and watch them fight to be able to stand (in the stock even) to recieve the treatment and just to see what they go thru OMG scary
 
Interesting page I found searching for "Tennessee Coggins Requirements"

http://www.state.tn.us/agriculture/regulat...s/passport.html

To help ease the current health certificate restrictions on moving horses out of state for fairs, exhibitions and trail rides, the Tennessee Department of Agriculture recently approved our state's participation in a voluntary regional "passport" program. In the past, most states required horses to have a current health certificate (Certificate of Veterinary Inspection) and a current negative EIA test (Coggins test) prior to entry. Health certificates are only valid for 30 days. Under this new program, a horse owner has the option to obtain an interstate movement permit, or “passport,” that for travel among participating states is equivalent to a health certificate, but is valid for 6 months. While the identification requirements are more restrictive, the permit allows horse owners to move among participating states without the need for obtaining a new health certificate every 30 days. Participating states include Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina and West Virginia. Kentucky and Virginia have indicated their intent to join the program in future. Some states do place added restrictions associated with use of the permit; horse owners traveling to those states are responsible for compliance with those additional restrictions. Most states have agreed to “a common set of rules” that enable the program to operate most effectively.
Permit applications must be submitted through an accredited veterinarian. Horse owners in Tennessee interested in obtaining a permit may complete an application and return it to their veterinarian along with a copy of an original health certificate (Certificate of Veterinary Inspection) and a current Equine Infectious Anemia test result. In many instances, the veterinarian can forward the application along with his copies of the health certificate and a Coggins test report if the permit application is being made at the time the health certificate is issued. Upon receipt, the department will issue an Interstate Movement Permit that is valid for 6 months from the date the health certificate was issued. Recognized forms of animal identification include a unique identifier lip tattoo, a unique brand, electronic implant or a digital photograph submitted in low resolution “jpeg” format. Horse owners are also responsible for keeping an itinerary listing those events in which the horse participates.

Participation is strictly voluntary provided the owner is compliant with the terms of the agreement between the state animal health regulatory agencies. Application and itinerary forms are available on the left of this webpage under "At This Site".
 
Interesting page I found searching for "Tennessee Coggins Requirements"

http://www.state.tn.us/agriculture/regulat...s/passport.html

To help ease the current health certificate restrictions on moving horses out of state for fairs, exhibitions and trail rides, the Tennessee Department of Agriculture recently approved our state's participation in a voluntary regional "passport" program. In the past, most states required horses to have a current health certificate (Certificate of Veterinary Inspection) and a current negative EIA test (Coggins test) prior to entry. Health certificates are only valid for 30 days. Under this new program, a horse owner has the option to obtain an interstate movement permit, or “passport,” that for travel among participating states is equivalent to a health certificate, but is valid for 6 months. While the identification requirements are more restrictive, the permit allows horse owners to move among participating states without the need for obtaining a new health certificate every 30 days. Participating states include Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina and West Virginia. Kentucky and Virginia have indicated their intent to join the program in future. Some states do place added restrictions associated with use of the permit; horse owners traveling to those states are responsible for compliance with those additional restrictions. Most states have agreed to “a common set of rules” that enable the program to operate most effectively.
Permit applications must be submitted through an accredited veterinarian. Horse owners in Tennessee interested in obtaining a permit may complete an application and return it to their veterinarian along with a copy of an original health certificate (Certificate of Veterinary Inspection) and a current Equine Infectious Anemia test result. In many instances, the veterinarian can forward the application along with his copies of the health certificate and a Coggins test report if the permit application is being made at the time the health certificate is issued. Upon receipt, the department will issue an Interstate Movement Permit that is valid for 6 months from the date the health certificate was issued. Recognized forms of animal identification include a unique identifier lip tattoo, a unique brand, electronic implant or a digital photograph submitted in low resolution “jpeg” format. Horse owners are also responsible for keeping an itinerary listing those events in which the horse participates.

Participation is strictly voluntary provided the owner is compliant with the terms of the agreement between the state animal health regulatory agencies. Application and itinerary forms are available on the left of this webpage under "At This Site".
Wow, wish more states would "jump on board" with this. I hate having to find the requirements for every state in which I want to show. Then the shows all seems to be more than 30 days apart so it means a new health certificate for each horse. Makes a good living for vets but then I've heard vets complain that they have too much to do now to go around checking on "well" horses!
 
Sorry Fred, hate to burst your bubble, but I personally know the person who made the 6mo rule for EIA testing at UNH, and she has absolutely nothing to do with the state lab. In fact, due to her lead, many of the local shows also started 6 month rules for their shows. In addition, the 6mo rule caught several EIA positive horse three years ago, that might not have been halted otherwise. The owners were very careful about their testing, and took their horses to shows all over New England. As soon as their test came back positive they took steps to protect the rest of the horses, as well as the rest of the horses at the barn. It was devistating, but they knew that they were doing the best thing for everyone's horses to take proper steps. UNH is NOT in to make money. The UNH equine program is 100% seperate budgetarily from the rest of the school, and money from the lab does not make it to the equine department, and vica versa.

There is a federal website that lists state requirements... I know that Kentucky and Colorado's requirements are NOT 30 days, they are one year. The federal site lists the requirements, including health certificates AND ENTRY PERMITS, which are required in several states. I'll list the website as soon as my laptop finishes its repairs, hopefully in the next day or two.
 
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Sorry Nathan but only two places that I know of [and yes I do show open and shoe many other diciplines] require a six month coggins in NH. One is UNH and the other is NbarH. All of the other shows require one year in state. No one ever checks coggins and I ALWAYS have ALL my papers, health certificates etc.. To me Rabies is far far worse than EIA and there have been cases in horses in the area. I also know that some vets also agree with that. As for the horses that tested positive in NH yes there were a couple and they were dealt with [i know one was euthanized]. In the over forty years I have had and worked with horses that brings a total number of 3 that I have known of in this area. Thats not a lot but I DO know of several animals that have had contact and been bitten by rabid animals. Because they had their rabies shot it did make a difference. In fact my daughters instructors dog was just attacked by a raccoon Oh and by the way I used to work for Essex County in MA. The school is comparative to UNH and I do know how the budgetary system works.
 
Do you event? Because most of the barns I know of that do (or used to?) all are event barns. I too know how budgets work, I've spent many an hour discussing UNH's financial woes with its management. Things have changed dramatically in the past five years there, to the point where the program is almost completely self sufficient now. The state lab is NOT tied to the equine program, and the woman who runs the shows and makes the rules is as honest as they come. Please do not claim that she made her rules for profit, that's defaming a wonderful hardworking woman who cares nothing about making profit.
 
I am NOT defaming anyone and I don't know where you are reading that into what I said. The dressage and eventing are only a small part of horse shows in this state. I do a lot of dressage horses and I know most of their shows require coggins every six months not just in NH. All the other shows of which there are far far more than you realize only require coggins in state for one year. The ONLY other local show [not the many others you stated] that requires coggins is NbarH which is a little riding club. When shows DO require tests it does profit the lab whether they work for the lab or not. I have had this discussion with vets in the area and some feel that the horse should be tested once a year or when sold. The associations themselves should require what they want but should not try to make it mandatory for everyone else. What I stated was that I feel the rabies issue is far more important than a coggins, as rabies is deadly to both humans and horses. My horses are tested on a regular basis and we get health certificates when we need them. I will also tell you that NH does not require that temp be taken on the health papers but MA does. My vet does do temp and I would insist on it anyway. I do know several people who have graduated from the UNH equine program though and I would not reccomend it. When I have to show someone who has graduated as a trainer and has not been shown how to properly restrain a horse it really frosts me because that should have been covered as its a safety issue.
 
I HAVE graduated from the UNH equine program (BS Animal Science: Equine Sciences, 2004) and I would highly recommend their equine science program to anyone. Its very well balanced. Its not a training program, nor a riding program, its either a management program or a science program, depending what the student puts into it. Any program is only as good as the effort the student puts into it. I spent 40 hours a week working with the school animals (as well as client animals, that's where I first started working with stallions). I knew, and so did my coworkers, how to restrain animals, so I'm not sure what your friend did during those lessons. There aren't many equine students who don't participate in the alsorted shows and programs that don't include restraint lessons.

It sounds to me like you have some issue with UNH rather than its program or its lab. Remember that more than half of UNH's show participants aren't from NH, so its not designed to profit the state lab! The UNH lab's costs are very comperable to other state's prices, and NH isn't big enough to justify having two labs.
 
We were discussing testing. I have NO PROBLEM with UNH, I live 15 min from the school itself. I SAID anytime you start testing it DOES profit the lab and prices here have gone through the roof. I graduated in 1983 from an ag school comprable to the Thompson school. I said the equine studies program of which I have dealt with several graduates should know more about PROPER restraints. Yes you DO get out what you put in but I DO know that this person was NOT trained in how to use a lip chain. My kids know how to PROPERLY use one and the youngest is 10. I have been handling stallions many many years and I shoe ALL types of horses every day sometimes 7 days a week. I know what proper handling is and I have been a barn manager, herdsman, and worked with [not just shod] many different breeds and disciiplines. If your in love with UNH fine but its just a school and it also has its flaws as all things do.
 
Wow Marty I am sorry this happened and all you were doing was trying to get a simple answer. If you need anything let me know and I would be more than happy to help you. I have worked for a Brand Inspector before. That was 2 years ago but from what I know of things have not changed.
 
Oh my goodness..........twas just a question.........

I shall go running and ducking now and head for the hills.....
 
Marty, after we got off the phone, I had to get on and read this. No need to run and duck. All you did was ask a simple question, and just expected a simple answer....unfortuanately that dont always seem to be the case on here anymore. :no: Been there~~ done that... :bgrin Corinne
 

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