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I am a firm believer in linebreeding and have done so for many years, that said, you do need to outcross and finding the right outcross for your linebred foals can be a challenge -- often the outcross horse does not have enough dominance to overcome the linebred issues that you may be trying to "tweek" - notice I said "tweek" - not fix, because I am assuming that if you have kept a linebred animal in your breeding program that you are very happy with it to begin with. Also, the "tweeking" does not seem to be as consistent with linebred horses - stands to reason, they are heavily invested in what they are.

As a breeder I find the challenge stimulating - I am always on the lookout for bloodlines that I feel will cross well with what I am trying to produce while not taking away from what I have worked so hard to accomplish.

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REGARDLESS of pedigree, we should all be crossing horses that compliment each other. Obviously, if you have a short thick necked stallion you shouldn't breed that stallion to a short thick necked mare if you are wanting a long thin neck!

I have personally seen horses that go back to the same sire 3-4 times who have SERIOUS issues. So, too much of a good thing can be a very bad thing!
 
Didn't severe inbreeding many years ago by old time breeders give us our dwarfism problems in the breed?
In a word, NO. Inbreeding, linebreeding or any other kind of breeding did not cause the mutations that we call dwarfism, HYPP and HERDA. Mutations happen, and they are random; they don't care who the animal's parents were. Some mutations occur in places where there aren't any important genes in the first place, and produce no discernible change. Some mutations are so "wrong" that the animal dies, and that's the end of that. Some mutations may make an animal just a little bit better at whatever its kind do; that animal will be more successful, and the mutation gets passed on. That's natural selection. Where people make the selections, "different" may be enough to cause someone to select an animal as a breeder, and thus we have the wide range of dog breeds, many of which are totally incompetent as predators (which is a dog's natural role.)

Some of the horses in the early mini breeding programs were certainly dwarfs. Some people today are still breeding dwarfs. It doesn't matter whether the animals are related or not, if they carry the dwarf genes, they can pass them on. The problem is that some people don't know a dwarf when they see one, or don't recognise dwarfism as a problem. They see a small equine, and don't know or care enough to see the conformation flaws that signal a problem. If your breeding stock is free from the dwarf genes, it won't matter how close you breed, you won't get dwarf babies. OK, it is possible that the mutation could occur again, but it could do that, even if your animals were completely unrelated, too.

The reason that HYPP and HERDA have become such problems, is that the mutation appeared in an animal that became very popular, and got to "spread his influence" around a lot before the problem was recognised. In the case of HYPP, the thought now is that the condition itself gave the Impressives their muscle-bound look, so people were actually selecting for it. I'm sure that the QH registry was hoping that the test that they have mandated would help to weed out the HYPP carriers, but that is unfortunately not the case. I know people that feel it is perfectly OK to breed HYPP carriers, just as long as you don't breed them to each other. Because of logic like that, I hear that HYPP is actually more common in QH's now than it was when the test first became available!

A breeding program is only as good as the selection process that goes into it. While an exceptional animal might just happen through sheer luck, it is more often the result of careful assessment of the breeding stock, and ruthless culling of animals that don't measure up. The name on the pedigree shouldn't be confused with a manufacturer's label. An old ad campaign said that "the quality goes in before the name goes on;" without the culling process, the name means nothing!
 
REGARDLESS of pedigree, we should all be crossing horses that compliment each other. Obviously, if you have a short thick necked stallion you shouldn't breed that stallion to a short thick necked mare if you are wanting a long thin neck!
I have personally seen horses that go back to the same sire 3-4 times who have SERIOUS issues. So, too much of a good thing can be a very bad thing!
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I never really understood why breeders send the same mare back to the same stallion when they both have the same flaws and do not compliment each other...I think most of it comes from a sentimental point of view.
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Only if you have GREAT horses and KNOW what you are looking for!!

Line Breeding has produced some Great horses and I would never hesitate buying a correctly done line breed horse.
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REGARDLESS of pedigree, we should all be crossing horses that compliment each other.

Folks, what Carin said is the bottom line! You should NEVER double up on undesirable traits. Always look to improve with your crosses, not do the same thing over and over and hope for a better outcome.

Isn't that the definition of insanity?
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Would like to thank you all for your comments, but looks like only a few do in or line breeding.
 
I tried in/linebreeding for the first time just two years ago. I had two paternal siblings of RSB Rowdy Sugar Buck that complimented each other very well, and the stallion was also a son of my Mountain Highs AMayZing. I considered all the pros and cons, debated with myself and worried, and finally did the breeding. The resulting filly is spectacular, and she's been a huge favorite of all who have seen her. I've since sold the stallion so I can't breed those two again, but my one and only attempt at linebreeding was a great sucess. I may try more linebreeding in the future but if I do I will put a LOT of thought into it as I did last time.
 
Thanks Magic, and all the others that have tried in or line breeding & sharing with us
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I have to agree with the post that says in breeding is when it doesnt work out and line breeding is when it does. But on that note I have discussed it with my Vet and he says Dad to daughter is ok but chancy, you will either get very good or all the bad traits. Guess its the roll of the dice.
 
I was looking at a stud to buy that was "Gold Melody Boy" in the top side there was a 1/2 sibling and the generation before that was I think it was a mother son. Gold Melody Boy also appeared on the bottom side once. He was a very nice 30.5" boy. I may still buy him. What I was tought in my animal classes was "Father to daughter, Mother to son, But brother and sister should never be done". However, sometimes a brother sister doesn't do any harm from what I have seen.

That is waht I always thought as well -- but have seen some of the others that have turned out very nice.

however, I also think brothere to sister -- will possibly bring out the bad traits faster. Not sure -- have never done it .Just what I was taught.
 
We are trying the linebreeding thing ourselves. We have a Daughter X Father Mix, and a Half Sibling X(same sire).

The daughter to father X is due August/sept and the other is due Dec 09.

We have recently added to our herd line bred foal, resulting of a father to daughter X and she will be heading up to nationals with us in March, we are very pleased with her. She has her first big show 13th Feb, we are very excited to see how she does(the little black one pictured is going too)

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We think she is homozygous for pinto too as a bonus to add alittle more colour into the herd!
 
Love those Pintos
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Thanks for sharing & good luck, keep us posted on how she makes out?
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