Einstein the Smallest Stallion

[StarRidgeAcres]

Which leads me to- Exactly what would a miniature horse NEED to look like to go around promoting the breed? An exotic looking halter or high stepping driving horse? What is the perfect mini or is there one perfect type or many?

Well, my opinion and $4 will get you a coffee at Starbucks

but some I'd LOVE to see and would be proud to have representing the breed would be:

Mountain Meadows Amir Al Amar - 2X National GRAND Champion Halter Stallion - STUNNING, PERFECTION, GORGEOUS!

Century Farms Bey Masquerade - World GRAND Champion Open Pleasure Driving and producing quality foals.

First Knights Billy Idol - World Champion Get of Sire and tons of World Champion foals

Silver Meadows Jet So Go - Many times champion driving horse

Can't think of his name, but that under 30 stallion/gelding that jumps his butt off! Has tons of wins at nationals.

7S Nashvilles Ransom - a 29" stallion that is a National GRAND Champion Pleasure Driving horse and also a National top six in halter. Talk about a tiny performance horse!!! O M G!

Avantes Celtic Melody - World Champion of Champions - stunning mare who proved she could do it as a junior mare and also a senior mare

There are literally HUNDREDS more that would be wonderful representatives of what the miniature horse should be/do/perform like. I think if a horse like Prince was paraded around on national tv like Einstein is, the world would be SHOCKED at what a real miniature horse can look like. A miniature horse can actually look like a stunning, leggy, athletic big horse! We just don't get to see those ones on tv.

 

[ohmt]

Last I checked miniatures were the third or fourth most popular equine breed in the US. They are above Thoroughbreds and Appaloosas. So for a miniature to get a lot of public attention, they need to have some measurable quality that sets them apart from all other horses. Emphasis on measurable. While I would LOVE for Prince to be on tv as the most beautiful miniature horse in the world, that's perspective and being the most beautiful mini probably would not be enough. He'd need to be the most beautiful horse in the world. Einsteins size is measurable and beats most other horses, mini or not. That's why he got so much public recognition. I know about the biggest horses on record, the fastest horses on record, and the smallest. I don't know about many top sires/dams, champions, etc from any other breeds because they're not on tv or the general public either.

 

[ohmt]

Sorry about any typos in my previous post-i'm using my phone. I really would like any of the horses StarRidgeAcres mentioned to be on tv for everyone to see, but it would just never happen because of the way the media works unfortunately.

 

[midnight star stables]

Well, my opinion and $4 will get you a coffee at Starbucks

but some I'd LOVE to see and would be proud to have representing the breed would be:

Mountain Meadows Amir Al Amar - 2X National GRAND Champion Halter Stallion - STUNNING, PERFECTION, GORGEOUS!

Century Farms Bey Masquerade - World GRAND Champion Open Pleasure Driving and producing quality foals.

First Knights Billy Idol - World Champion Get of Sire and tons of World Champion foals

Silver Meadows Jet So Go - Many times champion driving horse

Can't think of his name, but that under 30 stallion/gelding that jumps his butt off! Has tons of wins at nationals.

7S Nashvilles Ransom - a 29" stallion that is a National GRAND Champion Pleasure Driving horse and also a National top six in halter. Talk about a tiny performance horse!!! O M G!

Avantes Celtic Melody - World Champion of Champions - stunning mare who proved she could do it as a junior mare and also a senior mare

There are literally HUNDREDS more that would be wonderful representatives of what the miniature horse should be/do/perform like. I think if a horse like Prince was paraded around on national tv like Einstein is, the world would be SHOCKED at what a real miniature horse can look like. A miniature horse can actually look like a stunning, leggy, athletic big horse! We just don't get to see those ones on tv.

:yeah

Stacy knows that I love Prince, and how cool would it be to have him on TV? I'm sold!

Oh Please?

 

[Reble]

Einstein SMALLEST HORSE EVER BORN, at birth only weighing 6lbs, had reason to get a hold of the media, just need something that stands out, I do not believe the perfect mini would attract attention, it might hit the media, but would die out, with Einstein because of his size is going to be in the news, as long as the owners want to have him on display.

The reason he is back in the light is because of his 1 year Birthday.

Do not get so upset, things come and go.

The miniature horse is out in the news, so try to educate any new owners or people you talk with.

Other wise do something about it, go to the media, talk to the T.V. Stations, Radio, and see what you can do?

Promote the perfect miniature horse.

I am sure someone will pull it apart, which is so sad.

They did not talk about it, they did something.

Publicity & Educate

 

[txminipinto]

I don't think he's a dwarf. I do think he has horrible ground manners and is spoiled rotten. At a year old, he should be able to stand there without being handfed treats constantly.

 

[Molly's Run Minis]

finally was able to watch the video

what terrible manners he has! rearing, backing into people, and he seems to be quite unsteady on his feet. his owners need to quit treating him like a baby, he's a horse who needs to learn manners no matter how small he is!

 

[Reble]

finally was able to watch the video

what terrible manners he has! rearing, backing into people, and he seems to be quite unsteady on his feet. his owners need to quit treating him like a baby, he's a horse who needs to learn manners no matter how small he is!

I agree, but just find this funny, we always have to find fault in any thing we see or hear.

Oh well today Einstein is on THE VIEW at 11:00 a.m. on ABC

Hope you can all watch, I am sure we will find more faults...

 

[Molly's Run Minis]

I agree, but just find this funny, we always have to find fault in any thing we see or hear.

Oh well today Einstein is on THE VIEW at 11:00 a.m. on ABC

Hope you can all watch, I am sure we will find more faults...

Rebel, i'm not specifically looking for faults but if his owners want to pubicise him they ought to at least teach him proper manners! he was rearing on his handeler, thats neither safe nor something mini horse breeders/lovers/enthusiasts would want publicised. it makes minis look crazy and hard to handle. it may drive people away from ever wanting a mini if they think all minis act like spoiled brats and will readily rear on their handelers like Einstein.

just more bad rap for minis

 

[bullockcorner]

I completely agree with MRM.

I was going to say something earlier, but with all the controversy, I let it go. He certainly does need some ground manners. He looked pretty "put out" with it all to by the way he had his ears back and "biting" at the treats his owner was feeding him. I'm sure she was just trying to keep him pacified, but his "studly hormones" are showing if you ask me!

 

[maestoso]

After several months, I think it's time everyone should agree to disagree. This thread is not unique, it goes in circles like all the other Einstein threads. I think when people point out that he will be on this show or that show, they are doing it just as a general interest topic, not to promote or defend their opinions on the horse.

The owners have been parading him around since day 1, despite all of the outrage. It is clear they are going to do what they are going to do, so why not let it go? It's a waste of time to attack it each time we see it.

Paris Hilton just bought a Billy Idol Son to put on her new show..... what are we going to say about that one?

Guess what? Paris Hilton doesn't care what any of you think

Perhaps there are more productive arguments we could be having. Ones that might actually educate and move forward.

 

[jegray21]

Where is clickmini? I think she shared a video of her minis being able to tell the difference between the red rug and the white and which one got them a treat? That is worth being on T.V. These horses are not only small but they are very smart and fun to train! Marketable traits

 

[Reble]

Well, just a few minutes on the View, not much time to say too much and of course they are trying to promote their book.

Happy Birthday Einstein

Wish Einstein many years of good health, and a long life.

I hope people are wrong and he does not have health problems, would not want any animal to have to suffer.

 

[HGFarm]

Based on this recent footage- and it was difficult to really see him well, but I dont see anything that screams dwarf either. His head is not 'domey'- I think his length of neck is ok for his body- I thought he looked ok compared to his weanling pics. Is he a great example for the breed? No I dont think so, but I just find it difficult to say without a doubt that he is a dwarf.

P.S. Matt D, well said!!

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Not sure how I feel from this latest video, TBH. My gut feeling is that he is a dwarf, it is often very hard to tell just form pictures, which, of course, is why we need a test.

I have had foals as small as him at birth, and they played just fine with other foals and with the herd in general, even though I was, naturally, worried. There is NO way I would risk desocialising a foal in this way, he needs horses to play with he is not a stuffed toy he is a small horse. I fear for his future, I really do, what life will he have?

Whether he is a dwarf or not they will never, ever admit it, he is far too good a gravy train, and I loathe that aspect of this whole thing. If he were normal size no-one would even consider him as a stallion.

Also, of course, the foals I have had this small grew up to be normal size- around 28" at the withers, so his not growing is worrying, too.

 

[Genie]

After several months, I think it's time everyone should agree to disagree. This thread is not unique, it goes in circles like all the other Einstein threads. I think when people point out that he will be on this show or that show, they are doing it just as a general interest topic, not to promote or defend their opinions on the horse.

The owners have been parading him around since day 1, despite all of the outrage. It is clear they are going to do what they are going to do, so why not let it go? It's a waste of time to attack it each time we see it.

Paris Hilton just bought a Billy Idol Son to put on her new show..... what are we going to say about that one?

Guess what? Paris Hilton doesn't care what any of you think

Perhaps there are more productive arguments we could be having. Ones that might actually educate and move forward.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking

 

[Reble]

here is the interview on The view.

http://abc.go.com/watch/clip/the-view/SH002253950000/PL5554876/VD55122785/cant-miss-moment-smallest-horse/cantmissmoment

 

[midnight star stables]

After several months, I think it's time everyone should agree to disagree. This thread is not unique, it goes in circles like all the other Einstein threads. I think when people point out that he will be on this show or that show, they are doing it just as a general interest topic, not to promote or defend their opinions on the horse.

The owners have been parading him around since day 1, despite all of the outrage. It is clear they are going to do what they are going to do, so why not let it go? It's a waste of time to attack it each time we see it.

Paris Hilton just bought a Billy Idol Son to put on her new show..... what are we going to say about that one?

Guess what? Paris Hilton doesn't care what any of you think

Perhaps there are more productive arguments we could be having. Ones that might actually educate and move forward.

A Billy Idol foal? Great! Fine by me! Have you seen the video of it(I think it's a filly)? Stunning and really cute! That mini is very well built compared to Einstein. It's a horse I'd be happy to have flaunted in the media (even if it will be as the biggest media mockery with Paris as the owner...) but either way it's a nice horse and I'm glad Einstein will have media competition.

Ok, I am going to try this again. I think when a person says that the horse in a minimal dwarf it is the same as saying a horse is a minimal pinto. There may be a small spot on the pinto that is maybe even hidden under the mane. He is still a pinto. Just because a dwarf is not sevearly crippled by the dwarf gene but shows signs as everyone has pointed out it is still a dwarf even though it does not look like oh, say, Thumbalina. Everyone knows that she is a dwarf. Is she minimal? No. However, Einstine has a roach back and his neck IS too short. These charicteristics would be minimal. Let me ask this question of all of you that say he is not a dwarf. IF YOU WERE GIVEN THE OPERTUNITY TO BREED A MARE TO EINSTINE.....WOULD YOU? AND WHY OR WHY NOT?

I agree with this post! I would not breed to the "Smallest Stallion" even with all his fame. Why? Because he is NOT a good representative of our breed as he has some rather huge conformational flaws - whether he IS a dwarf or NOT. He is not going to improve our breed (in reference to quality and conformation) so why not make him a gelding then??

I also agree with Carin and Molly. This boy needs some ground manners. I'm sure I'd be nervous as heck on National T.V. so that doesn't bother me as much, but I do think they could use a few lessons on ground manners.

Wait - Ha! Under his handler's name (Rachel Wagner) on The View, it calls her a "Horse Trainer"!!

Yikes please don't train my horses to be pushy, nippy and impatient! Though I'm glad they stated that he does live in a barn.

Dwarf or not, it really doesn't matter to me. He isn't a "good" miniature to be continuously flaunting and campaigning... Well IMHO. But like Parmela said my opinion and $4 will get you a coffee at Starbucks

 

[StarRidgeAcres]

O M G!

I finally got to see the video. Are you people who say he isn't a dwarf blind? Seriously! R-O-A-C-H-E-D back, SHORT neck, large knees (campared to the fineness of the cannon bone) and did you actually watch the first few seconds when he walks on stage. He's only a YEARLING and he's already so stiff it's pathetic. How terribly sad for this poor little creature.

And for that woman (his owner) to specifically say he has no abnormalities is a CROCK! And if her 30-32" horses weigh 300lbs, she needs to have them on a serious diet! Raven is 28" tall and in show shape weighs 165lbs. And another reference that I'll cite since I know it for a fact, Poopy weighed 11lbs 3 DAYS AFTER HER BIRTH. So weighing a supposed 6lbs means NOTHING special to me. I bet Charlotte and Tony and other breeders who have small stallions have lots of foals as small as Einstein at birth.

And someone said he's 20" now. If so that woman is about 50" tall. He comes to the top of her thigh!

People keep comparing his "spotlight" to Thumbalina's. I totally don't see the comparison. In EVERY interview Thumb did - GMA, etc., they talked about children's charities and about bringing awareness. Every cent from her book, her plush doll's, interviews, etc went to charity. Every dime spent for her travel and care came out of the owner's pockets. And they clearly stated she was a dwarf and how her parents had been removed from the breeding pool. Of course I am aware of the obviousness of her deformaties, but to parade him on TV and say he has NONE?! They are money wh0r3s. Period.

For all you newbies out there reading this. Make note of his sire, dam, breeder, and all the people here saying he's normal.

The one thing Reble and I agree on in this case... I too hope he lives a long and healthy, pain-free life. And I hope like heck I'm wrong about him!

And am I jealous? Nope. I'm mad as heck about it though. I see people exploiting an animal for THEIR OWN GAIN, not for the betterment of the animal, not for a good cause, not spreading a teaching message - nothing. Just the almighty $.

And as for Paris' horse. I think that poor thing will be soon forgotten when she's done with her show. BUT...it's a MUCH better representation of the miniature horse - no comparison. I'd rather see that filly on tv ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over little ill-mannered Einstein.

 

[Molly's Run Minis]

O M G!

I finally got to see the video. Are you people who say he isn't a dwarf blind? Seriously! R-O-A-C-H-E-D back, SHORT neck, large knees (campared to the fineness of the cannon bone) and did you actually watch the first few seconds when he walks on stage. He's only a YEARLING and he's already so stiff it's pathetic. How terribly sad for this poor little creature.

And for that woman (his owner) to specifically say he has no abnormalities is a CROCK! And if her 30-32" horses weigh 300lbs, she needs to have them on a serious diet! Raven is 28" tall and in show shape weighs 165lbs. And another reference that I'll cite since I know it for a fact, Poopy weighed 11lbs 3 DAYS AFTER HER BIRTH. So weighing a supposed 6lbs means NOTHING special to me. I bet Charlotte and Tony and other breeders who have small stallions have lots of foals as small as Einstein at birth.

And someone said he's 20" now. If so that woman is about 50" tall. He comes to the top of her thigh!

People keep comparing his "spotlight" to Thumbalina's. I totally don't see the comparison. In EVERY interview Thumb did - GMA, etc., they talked about children's charities and about bringing awareness. Every cent from her book, her plush doll's, interviews, etc went to charity. Every dime spent for her travel and care came out of the owner's pockets. And they clearly stated she was a dwarf and how her parents had been removed from the breeding pool. Of course I am aware of the obviousness of her deformaties, but to parade him on TV and say he has NONE?! They are money wh0r3s. Period.

For all you newbies out there reading this. Make note of his sire, dam, breeder, and all the people here saying he's normal.

The one thing Reble and I agree on in this case... I too hope he lives a long and healthy, pain-free life. And I hope like heck I'm wrong about him!

And am I jealous? Nope. I'm mad as heck about it though. I see people exploiting an animal for THEIR OWN GAIN, not for the betterment of the animal, not for a good cause, not spreading a teaching message - nothing. Just the almighty $.

And as for Paris' horse. I think that poor thing will be soon forgotten when she's done with her show. BUT...it's a MUCH better representation of the miniature horse - no comparison. I'd rather see that filly on tv ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over little ill-mannered Einstein.

totally agree! i honestly dont know why Tiz A Mini Horse Farm would want him promoted so much! you think they would be embarressed! although, they sure are trying to keep who his parents are a secret! it took me forever to find out who his sire and dam are!

after watching The View he looks to be about the same size as my girl Honey, and she's 27.5" tall. her back just barely comes up to my hip and i'm 5'2. Einsteins owner/handeler also mentioned that the smaller you breed the more likely you are to get problems- what a bunch of crap! and if her 32" horses weigh 300lbs she has to seriously reevaluate her feeding program! my Misty weighs around 210 when is show shape and she's 32". this lady is so full of crap i'm surprised it doesnt come out her ears!!

i wish they would use some of that money they get for promoting Einstein on getting him a HORSE friend, i couldnt help but notice how he kept trying to bite that beautiful boxer with a wide open mouth! he's still got teeth and hooves and could seriously hurt that sweet dog! i bet they could find a 30" or under gelding. but i doubt they will!

poor Einstein