Genetics Question GENETIC TESTS IN ON PAGE 2.

[End Level Farms]

A friend of mine has sent hair off to be tested but for now I thought I would ask here.

Im pretty good with colors but this one has me a little stumped.

(Ill have pictures soon)

They are Quarter Horses. And have no history of Splash Sabino Or anything else. In fact the mare RARELY puts white on her babies.

The mare is Chestnut. Has a tiny tiny spot of white on her face and no other white. No roaning no white hairs anywhere else on her body.

The stallion is a Buckskin. No color on him at all. No roan no white hairs anywhere.

The result was a COMPLETELY WHITE!!! Colt with blue eyes. No color on him ANYWHERE. Pink skin EVERYWHERE.

The only thing I have been able to come up with is that hes a Maximum Sabino or a Splash.

The mare has been bred to Palominos and Buckskins before and produced ONLY CHESTNUT babies. Has been bred to blacks and chestnuts and only had CHESTNUT babies. Alll with minimum to NO white.

Is she just making up for lost time or WHAT?

 

[Jill]

That is really something!!!!!

Is there any chance that the actual sire is not the expected sire (sorry, have to ask and figure it's a long shot, but WOW!) ?

 

[Sunrise Valley]

VERY interesting!

Please let us know how the tests come out. I would love to see photos!

Lisa

 

[Sue_C.]

Although I would be considering DNA to be sure...it really doesn't surprise me that much to hear this.

The Paint horse "breed" originated to take care of the crop-outs from the Quarterhorse breed, as this is very common. There are many Appaloosas as well who have cropped up out of two registered Quarterhorses as well; I think Bright Eyes, and Wappiti (SP?) are two of the most well-known.

Way back when the Quarterhorse began as a registry, it was the horse's speed that made them registerable, and many herds carried coloured blood in near solid or solid-looking bodies. (Think how many roans are mis-coloured as apps in the minis, and visa versa, for example.) When reading the book, "The History of the Quarterhorse" years ago, I found that the discription of the founding sires of the breed very much resembled what today we consider Paints and Appalosas. (Janus, one of the founding sires, and his son Bloody Buttocks, both had "colour")

 

[Flaxenacres]

Being into Appaloosas and Quarter horse for all my life I have to say Sue C. is absolutely correct! Lorie

 

[h2t99]

Do either horse have Gunsmoke in their bloodlines? I know he has a very heavy inflence on white in the Qh history!!

 

[Flaxenacres]

So does Leo He also throws blue eyes

Do either horse have Gunsmoke in their bloodlines? I know he has a very heavy inflence on white in the Qh history!!

 

[End Level Farms]

I have been involved with paints and quarter horses as well as appaloosas all my life.

She is getting a full DNA panel done. To confirm the foals sire. However we are not really worried about the color of the sire as he is a dilute. However you can not have a DOUBLE dilute foal result from a CHESTNUT mare. And the mare is most DEFINITELY DEFINITELY chestnut.

No Leo or Gunsmoke in either pedigree.

Mare is Ima Cool Skip, and Conclusive bloodlines. Sire is a Kid Clu son.

I am aware that he could be a crop out. My guess is that he is a Maximum Sabino or A Maximum Splash. As its the only way to justify the fact that he is completely 100% white with pink skin and blue eyes. With the fact that his mom is a Chestnut.

And yes she has been tested. The foal is having a COMPLETE pannel of tests and so is taking longer to come back.

It mom was a Palomino or a Buckskin or another dilute we could totally understand the white baby.

 

[Bess Kelly]

Well, I'm waiting to hear what's "up" ---- but, this would be a wonderful surprise for me!

I love the all white & blue eyes!!

 

[Dona]

If this foal has just been born....I would also be afraid of LWO!

But if he is more than a few days old.....my guess would be Max White Sabino. The mare, with white on her face, could be carrying it. The stallion could be carrying Sabino roaning, and not show it on his diluted body.

I don't "think" the colt is a max white Splash, as Splash would be harder to hide on the parents. Even in minimal form, they would have white coronets or white on the face....and as mentioned, the stallion has absolutely no white at all. So, I believe he is probably carrying Sabino roaning that just doesn't show on his body.

Allthough, I wouldn't rule out Splash....with those blue eyes.

But, blue eyes can also be caused by Frame (which one of the parents could be carrying)

 

[Kira98]

Well I would guess without a pic to look at Max Sabino ( do you know if the mares sire or dam happen to be a Palomino ??? that mare could maybe carry a recessive gene and with the stallion being a buckskin that foal could possibly be a Perlino - I know of a filly that my ex brother in law bred that was out of a palomino mare and a buckskin stud that was a perlino with blue eyes )

That mare has a a pedigree ! wow I used to run the ranch next to were Ima Cool Skip was sold for alot of money

Anyway her pedigree is heavy on Skipper W breeding and they are known for having alot of CHROME !

i had a Qrt Horse that was out of a chestnut mare that had a faint strip on her face and she was double Skipper W breed and the Stallion had a bald face my QH colt came out with 4 high white stockings and a blaze and his chin was white almost to much to get AQHA papers but not quiet.

I would love to see pics of this foal and know what the test results are ! I LOVE GENETICS STUFF !

 

[rosaroca]

Sorry, but sorrels or chestnuts can't carry a hidden cream gene. If a sorrel or chestnut-based horse also has a cream gene, they'd be palomino. Same with a bay - they'd be buckskin. Only black can carry a hidden cream gene. Then they're smokey blacks.

My guess for this foal is smokey black. I believe the dark "dorsal stripe" is just the true body color showing through.

Anxious to see the test results!

Pat

 

[End Level Farms]

Color Results are in.......

HE IS A PALOMINO.

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Still doesnt explain the blue eyes.

His body color is changing dramatically since birth. Hes snow light light PEACH colored. Enough now to see two back socks and little tiny star.

 

[Jill]

Very interesting update!!! Horses sure keep us on our toes and this was an interesting mystery! Thanks for telling us the "solution"

:yes

 

[Mona]

Color Results are in.......

HE IS A PALOMINO.

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Still doesnt explain the blue eyes.

His body color is changing dramatically since birth. Hes snow light light PEACH colored. Enough now to see two back socks and little tiny star.

What did they all test for?? Just cream, or did they test for LWO, Sabino 1 and Tobiano too?

 

[End Level Farms]

Yes.

LWO n/n

Tobi n/n

SB1 n/n

 

[midnight star stables]

Weird! Good luck!

 

[Lucky-C-Acres-Minis]

Foal could be an isabella palomino, isabella is one of the lightest shades of palomino and horses tend to look white when they're younger and as they mature they get a pale yellow tint to they're colt.. As for the blue eyes and being LWO negative, then there must be splash tossed in there as well..

 

[Joanne]

You did not mention eye color of the parents.

Do either of them have blue or partial blue eyes??