AMEN! Come on people! Lets not get this to where it has to go POOF!
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Danielle_E.
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I agree 100%. Proper discussions and disagreement with facts to back up what is being said is truly wonderful. The innuendoes and snide remarks because someone does not agree with you is best left at the door as they say. The great thing about this thread is the fact that people are passionate about politics. What would be worse as far as I am concerned is apathy, like those in the Us and Canada that say, well I don't like anyone so I am not voting. People die in other countries just to be able to vote.
I couldn't agree more with snide comments, belittling and insults, having been both the victim and the attacker at different times. I think the big problem is they work like a "bubble". They get made by some commenters very often, very subtly and right from the start, slowly escalating, with no one wanting to cause a fight over something small or insignificant, they get noticed, but ignored. They have to cross a certain line before they can be dealt with, so they build and build, creating tension. At some point, a line is crossed, and it is obvious to everyone that it is inappropriate and the bubble bursts. I feel very strongly, the only way to fix this, is for us members to call each other out on the poor sportsmanship the very second it starts. It does no good to just chime in when it goes overboard, by that point there is no denying it, even the offenders can see the problem. Deal with the problem at the root, when it starts. Ignoring it is no solution, it festers, and members either "burst" or leave the topic, nothing resolved. I think we can all have logical, though controversial, conversations, but only if we respect one another from the very start, at the base level.
"Deal with the problem at the root, when it starts. Ignoring it is no solution, it festers, and members either "burst" or leave the topic, nothing resolved. I think we can all have logical, though controversial, conversations, but only if we respect one another from the very start, at the base level."
Well said James. The fly in the ointment is respect.
I thought that we were having a discussion with reason. Now I hear that we are not. Still, another (if not last) chance to see a behavioral display in the reveal. Again these are Hegalian mechanisms are designed to control the discussion and ultimate outcome.
Having tried my very best to be polite in pointing out these mechanisms, how to identify them and the myriad ways they manifest in not just others but most importantly ourselves, we see, come into play, yet another controlling behavior designed to stifle rational, reasoning and exploratory discussion. This is when the "opposition" side creates conflict on purpose in order to shut down the previously described conversation or steer it to a direction to their liking. The tells are easy in that by doing so the previously described forms of attack are brought to the forefront and are clearly visible. A simply and politely asked question should not bring about this type of behavior. This is what has come into play.
Jill you asked me a question to which I gave a very firm and concise answer. I am now asking you a very similar question. IF R.P. by some miracle becomes the nominee, will you vote for him and support him as you normally would the party nominee? As you have stated a desire for Rubio, I would point out that, at least, R.P. has a chance, whereas Rubio does not. Constitutionally Rubio is ineligible in the first place. Yes we have a similar problem now, however reps don't seem to know their Constitution very well or,.... at all really. Rather than the argumentative construct of typing three names (one of which you called me in attack) you may save a few electrons and just type one.
I am more than happy to abide by the wishes of the list owner and will do so. However the matter is not as simple as layed out and the mechanisms should be examined for what they are. The attempt to control cogent conversation by a bully few, even if they have to blow it up.
Well said James. The fly in the ointment is respect.
I thought that we were having a discussion with reason. Now I hear that we are not. Still, another (if not last) chance to see a behavioral display in the reveal. Again these are Hegalian mechanisms are designed to control the discussion and ultimate outcome.
Having tried my very best to be polite in pointing out these mechanisms, how to identify them and the myriad ways they manifest in not just others but most importantly ourselves, we see, come into play, yet another controlling behavior designed to stifle rational, reasoning and exploratory discussion. This is when the "opposition" side creates conflict on purpose in order to shut down the previously described conversation or steer it to a direction to their liking. The tells are easy in that by doing so the previously described forms of attack are brought to the forefront and are clearly visible. A simply and politely asked question should not bring about this type of behavior. This is what has come into play.
Jill you asked me a question to which I gave a very firm and concise answer. I am now asking you a very similar question. IF R.P. by some miracle becomes the nominee, will you vote for him and support him as you normally would the party nominee? As you have stated a desire for Rubio, I would point out that, at least, R.P. has a chance, whereas Rubio does not. Constitutionally Rubio is ineligible in the first place. Yes we have a similar problem now, however reps don't seem to know their Constitution very well or,.... at all really. Rather than the argumentative construct of typing three names (one of which you called me in attack) you may save a few electrons and just type one.
I am more than happy to abide by the wishes of the list owner and will do so. However the matter is not as simple as layed out and the mechanisms should be examined for what they are. The attempt to control cogent conversation by a bully few, even if they have to blow it up.
Jill
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Gosh, I've said it many times. I will vote for WHOEVER is on the the GOP ticket this November and be happy to do it. I'll be one of the first people at the polls
At this point, I don't think by any stretch of reality it could be RP on the ticket, but if so, you betcha I'll cast my vote that way
It looks like my own state Governor may be on the short list to be in the VP slot
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I left lilbeginnings for about two years because of some behaviors back then. Being insulted for your beliefs and points of view just didn't make it inviting to participate in this forum. I know that all of us can choose to read or participate in any thread here without worry of belittlement or sarcastic and rude remarks. You are right about bullying, it seems to happen not just by children but also adults. Instead of leaving the forum all together I suggest just using the ignore feature if you feel you are being personally attacked verbally. Certainly not saying we all have to agree on a topic, that would be so boring, but respect has to work both ways.
Jill
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I'm really surprised that / if you didn't already get that is my feeling, Carriage.
Wild horses won't keep me from the polls. I haven't missed an election, from local to National, in 20+ years and for some time now, I support the GOP ticket. Not blindly but because in my heart, mind and soul, I feel the GOP most closely matches how I feel on matters that are most important to me.
If you misunderstood my intention to vote RP if he's on the ticket, maybe I've misunderstood some of your messages as well
Wild horses won't keep me from the polls. I haven't missed an election, from local to National, in 20+ years and for some time now, I support the GOP ticket. Not blindly but because in my heart, mind and soul, I feel the GOP most closely matches how I feel on matters that are most important to me.
If you misunderstood my intention to vote RP if he's on the ticket, maybe I've misunderstood some of your messages as well
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barnbum
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Boy--I just don't think MR is the one to win an election over Obama...
It's unsettling to be coming to an election and not have confidence in either candidate. Eeek.
It's unsettling to be coming to an election and not have confidence in either candidate. Eeek.
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I'm so with you. MR just (IMO) isn't strong enough on any issue to gather the momentum he needs. Sure he'll get the "I'm voting for whoever the GOP ticket needs me to vote for" but I just don't feel he can't gather the undecided and independent voters. I'm there myself. I realize not voting for him is giving a free vote to Obama but I just don't know if I could vote for him. I've been seriously thinking of selling out and buying a boat http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/21526 I could happily be a sea gypsy
Jill
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FYI:
"Rep. Ron Paul of Texas said Monday he will not compete in primaries in any of the states that have not yet voted — essentially confirming Mitt Romney will win the Republican presidential nomination."
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/14/ron-paul-ends-his-hunt-votes/
"Rep. Ron Paul of Texas said Monday he will not compete in primaries in any of the states that have not yet voted — essentially confirming Mitt Romney will win the Republican presidential nomination."
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/14/ron-paul-ends-his-hunt-votes/
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ozymandias
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Looks like RP's supporters are more willing to run the race than their candidate
Jill
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Oh, Mary Lou, that website you listed is all about promoting the progressive left agenda. "ThinkProgress.org",,, really...
Maybe you'd want to research "Progressive Politics"? If you're not already aware of what the Progressive agenda actually is about.
Maybe you'd want to research "Progressive Politics"? If you're not already aware of what the Progressive agenda actually is about.
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LOL, tell me, hahaha !!!!Good luck with Mitt Romney.. For your pleasure.. I found this..
http://thinkprogress.org/romney-facts/
It's a sad world when that's the best we (the GOP) can come up with.
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Maybe it's not Ron Paul's time this year but he has made a significant impact and will continue to do so. His message resonates with many of us and with young people as well. It is such a shame when the best the Republican party can come up with is MR (my opinion) and I will not be voting for him. I'll be standing with the Libertarian party. I do think third parties are going to come more and more into prominence when there are many of us who don't fit into the established parties. Who knows where this election will take us but it's going to be ugly and leave us all a little bit more damaged and downheartened and split us all further apart.
Sadder still? When its the best they can come up with EVERY time. This IS a rerun.LOL, tell me, hahaha !!!!
It's a sad world when that's the best we (the GOP) can come up with.
Please post. I suspect that there was much truth about Robme in the piece. If one wants to know the truth of a thing, one must accept intell from all sources. To simply dismiss a source because it is "liberal" OR right "wing" is a sure way to miss much. I know that I've been able to move farther in understanding on a "thing" because I critically examine the diamond from all facets Again if you get rid of the programmed left/right sophistry and programming the "ah ha" moments mount up. Some can, some can't/won't.Oh well.. I guess EVERYTHING is NOT TRUE on that page.. sorry.. I will not post anymore.. just wanted to share what I found..
Mary Lou, you posted a picture revealing a falsehood that has been studiously ignored by neo's. That picture spoke volumes about the entire charade.
You are most probably correct specific to winning. However we should never be apologetic about refusing to compromise with evil and standing on truth. Going back to the origin of this post specific to the creed, this is where we stand. Knowing the whole time that those who refuse to compromise are hated and ridiculed. While it seems odd that that those who profess to be "conservative" are actively stumpin for a socialist who WILL move us farther down that road and a way from a Constitutional Republic founded in LIBERTY, this is the control the slave-master has and the slave will obey. There is no foundation allowing them to do otherwise. The cold, heart of stone and myopic self interest will enable them to do unspeakable things because there is no foundation. This is why the Constitution has so little meaning for them. For if it truly did, they would have only one rational choice.
That is not our road. Our road is the creed. They are choosing to loose again. Whether their chosen (for them) "candidate" wins or not,. America looses either way. We're not budgen, and they will be buggin..... Still, the reasonably weighted Lady has not sung yet.....
When you have done everything to stand, STAND! (Look it up). I will be standing with you.
Jill
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Here's some more good news, in my opinion, on the Ron Paul front:
"Spokesman rules out Gary Johnson endorsement, keeps door open for Romney... A top campaign official for Ron Paul’s presidential campaign says there’s “no chance” that the Texas Republican congressman will endorse Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson for president over presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney."
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/15/ron-paul-campaign-rules-out-endorsing-libertarian-party-nominee/#ixzz1uyiHbQyb
"Spokesman rules out Gary Johnson endorsement, keeps door open for Romney... A top campaign official for Ron Paul’s presidential campaign says there’s “no chance” that the Texas Republican congressman will endorse Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson for president over presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney."
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/15/ron-paul-campaign-rules-out-endorsing-libertarian-party-nominee/#ixzz1uyiHbQyb
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I didn't expect RP to endorse the Libertarian candidate. He's trying to make changes within the party and he's hoping to influence the platform at the convention. Does that mean RP supporters are going to vote for Romney? Some will but I don't know any who are and I know quite a few at this point. I think it's pretty humorous to think that any one person can "deliver" their supporters to a candidate who offers them nothing that they want. Heard someone talking on Fox News about this the other day saying people put way too much stock in the influence of endorsements. I agree because we all think for ourselves, form our own opinions and follow our consciences or at least I would hope we do.
