Oh, and when I said tight, I didn't mean space per bird, but rather safe for them. I'm not sure of the size, but all birds have plenty of room (it was tight when she had the whole lot she bought as chicks, raised them up with plans to make soup out of 2/3 of them, but then her help backed out of the dirty deed, so she sold them as laying hens, since they were all laying at the time, she had one rooster in the mix, and he did go in the pot).