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Ferrah

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I just got my new carts and harnesses, yesterday! I was SO excited.

I got an easy entry cart and a Jerald show cart. It was like Christmas morning! I have been ground driving Spyder for a year now, so this feels like a long time coming!

Can anyone help me with my harness and hitching? I had to harness and hitch Spyder knowing very little about it. I used the harnessing guide from Regency Miniatures to help me hitch!

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Me and the carts when they got here.

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I didn't drive Spyder anywhere while in the cart (I only led him by hand) because I want to be sure that everything is correct before I ask him to pull me around.
 
Heeey, not bad for your first time! :aktion033:
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: I'm in a bit of a rush tonight so forgive what for me is a short answer, but here's the first couple of things I see.

You need to drop your breastcollar a bit. See how it rides way up into his neck? It's hard to tell from that angle if it's really necessary but I think you could safely lengthen your traces a little to put the tip of the shafts further back. Change the settings on the back strap if you can to bring the breeching further forward on his hip, I think that will help with the overall look. You'll need to let the crupper out to compensate of course.
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: Height on the breeching looks good, saddle position looks good, generally that's a really great job of hitching for your first time! :aktion033: Good for you.
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Is the farrier due out soon? His toes look a bit long to be confortable pulling. I like your vest and cart and very much approve of the helmet. Great turnout!

Do we get to see the Jerald soon? :lol:

Leia
 
Thank you! I will make some adjustments tomorrow and post some new pictures.

The farrier is due out soon, but I didn't really realize just how long his toes are until I saw a picture of it :new_shocked:
 
Over all you look pretty good. Just a little tweeking which we all have to do with new stuff. I am

not an expert by any means but have driven a good bit. It looks like your breeching may be a little

tight and possibly a tad bit too high but not much. You need to be able to put a hand between your horse and the breeching . The cart may be a little

too far forward, so that the shafts are past the shoulder. This could cause a problem if the horse rears

and hooks his leg over the shaft and if he turns his head to the side and catches his rein on it. So back it up a little. Its really hard to tell from the pic cause I think you are standing down hill but the cart may be too

low . You may need to raise the shaft holders up a couple notches. You want the cart to be either exactly level or just a tad up hill. Never down hill. That will put the weight of you and the cart on the horses back.

you want it to be level so it will be balanced . There is a great thread on the " The Best of Miniature Horse Forum " Called "A pet peeve of mine, this drives me crazy" Its a great thread with a lot of pics of horse and cart hook ups and some very skilled drivers on there giving their tips on a proper hitch. Well worth reading the entire forum. I learned a lot from it. Over all thougt you look good . Just tweek it a little and have fun. I know you are going to love it. Merry Christmas. LOL
 
OK- What they said + the reason for heightening the shafts is- as you look at that picture (ignore the biggest grin in the world for a moment- are you pleased to get the cart by any chance????
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) is that you can see the weight of the cart resting on his back- you may, in fact you will, need harness pads with this sort of harness- you cannot really work him (you can fool around and play adequately) without padding as the harness gives none of it's own.

So- the cart needs to be further back so he can turn without turning into the shafts.

The tugs need to be higher so that the weight is balanced, not hanging in the tugs across the saddle.

The breeching I think needs to be a bit lower- it is hard to say with the blanket on- but again the rational behind this is that the breeching is for the horse to sit into gently to stop the cart and hard if he needs an emergency stop- so think of where it should sit to accomplish this- it needs to go up on the muscle of the rump but low enough that when he sits into it his muscles carry the weight of the cart.

The breast collar needs to sit in where the windpipe joins the lower neck and follow round on a straight line with this point- again so that the horse can pull without obstructing his airways or his shoulder movements.

I shall make my usual plea for you to get rid of the bl**dy checkrein- it will interfere with his ability to pull properly and if it is so loose it does nothing then why bother???

It also looks clumsy on his nose.

Lecture over
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I hope the rationale helps you with adjustments- once you understand properly what each bit should do it does, I found, make it easier to put it right yourself.

It was a very good first try.!!

I have that same cart- so when I get it out in the next week I shall be on to you for help putting the seat on- I have not been able to fathom how to attach the springs so all and any photos will be appreciated- maybe I can PM you for those??
 
Hehehe Ferrah, you passed inspection by the two hardest harness critiquers on the forum!
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I wanted to mention that when you post updated pictures it would be very helpful if you could take one uphill, one down (both shot squarely from the side) and then pictures from 3/4 front as you've already done and also 3/4 rear EDITED TO ADD: on the level. That helps us to see all the parts and how they relate to each other and the hill will show us the play in the straps and simulate how the cart will fit when your horse starts or stops, something it's hard to show us when he isn't formally driving yet. For instance I assumed both the tight breeching and the shafts being a little forward were from him standing downhill, but that might not be the case at all.

I can't see the pictures now that I'm at work but from what I remember your Spyder looks a lot like my Kody with that check on so I suspect he has a longer, more "horsie" face. One thing that helps visually shorten that is to make sure the cavesson is within a finger or two of his cheek bone. Too high just looks silly like a man with his pants up to his armpits, but too low emphasizes the length of the face and makes it look unwieldy. Experiment a bit and try to find a setting in between that will work. Getting a sidecheck instead of an overcheck and a broader or contoured cavesson like Ozark Mtn sells will also help.

Keep it up! Isn't it amazing what you see in pictures that you can't see in person? I'm always tweaking my own turnout that way. My saddle still looks too far forward to me in pictures but in person it just doesn't work further back.... :eek:

Leia
 
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Thanks guys, this is really really helpful. I will take some more pictures when Spyder is done eating his breakfast.

Rabbit, the overcheck isn't actually on, I found that I can't take the stupid thing off! The only way I can get it off is to cut it off, and I'm not sure if I want to do that yet, but I am tempted. So I just stuck it under the throatlatch and secured it with an eleastic band. Spyder hates the overcheck! I did get a sidecheck, but it won't go on this bridle, but I have a second bridle that it does go on. I can't put the overcheck on because Spyder really resents it.

I will try and get some pictures of him in his show harness and with the Jerald on too, so I can get some help with that, thanks!

EDIT to add: Rabbit if you want I can take pictures of my cart from every possible angle. The cart didn't come with instructions, and we had to put it together from a not so good picture...we put it together wrong a couple times!
 
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One other thing that might help. When you put the cart together, the seat is positioned too far forward, putting too much weight on the shafts. Loosen the nuts holding it on and move it back about as far as you can. That takes weight off the shafts, putting less stress on the saddle. If it makes any difference, I put three of those carts together and had to go back and fix every one of them!!

Bob (Mr. Stephanie)
 
I would agree with most of the points already made-I think you need to: lengthen the traces one setting(which would put the cart a bit further from the horse's rear, and bring the shaft tips back a bit-IMO, they should NEVER project forward beyond the point of the shoulder, but it won't hurt if they are a BIT behind the point of the shoulder); shorten the tug straps so that the tug loops are a setting higher, making the shafts have a slight uphill angle; be sure the seat of the cart IS adjusted so that when you are properly seated, AND the tug loops are at the right height(level to slight uphill slant of the shafts)' there will be MINIMAL weight transferred to the horse's back via the tugs; add a pad under the harness saddle. It appears to me,however, that your breast collar AND breeching are probably OK, heightwise; however, the breeching looks to be adjusted a bit tight. Remember, though, that when you adjust one thing, it often affects something else, and means that something that 'seemed' correct may now need adjustment--for instance, when you lengthen the traces,which means that the holdback loops on the shafts will be further back, the breeching adjustment as it is now, *may* be OK. The beeching should not be 'tight' against the horse's rear unless there is reasonable slack in the traces--the horse 'pulls' via the traces, and when the horse IS pulling properly(this is known as "in draught(pronounced "draft")", the traces MUST be taut--when the horse is asked to stop, the traces slacken, and the breeching tightens, because it is the 'brakes'. The 'rule' of a hand's width,( meaning 4 fingers) being able to pass between the breeching and the horse's rear when the breeching isn't engaged is more for 'big' horses; for minis, I have found a comfy 2-3 fingers' width is more suitable. If the breeching is too loose, it will tend to 'slingshot' when the horse is asked to stop, esp. if from speed; if it is too tight, it will bind and restrict the horse from a full range of movement-either situtation could lead to problems, and should be judiciously avoided!

Remember to sit fully back, and upright, on your cart seat. Though it can be a bit hard to get used to, I have found that keeping your feet fairly close together and placing one foot forward-in fact, so that it is kind of 'braced' on the front angle of the basket, is the most secure-should a horse surge forward for ANY reason,this can prevent you from being 'jerked' forward, and possibly out of the cart! Take care not to get into the habit of sitting 'forward' on the cart seat, and/or 'leaning' forward, as you might when seated in a chair(I have seen so many who unconsciously so this, and have to watch out for it, myself!) When you sit, or lean, forward, you WILL change the cart's balance, and cause there to be too much weight transferred, via the tugs, to the horse's back....Ferrah, you look good in the pics you already posted; I would only suggest placing your legs closer to each other, and with one foot forward, as I describe above, for optimum security and balance under average driving conditions.

I do agree w/ 'fizz on the overcheck; since you HAVE to have one/other in the show ring over here, opt for occasion use (in practice) of a well-adjusted sidecheck; otherwise, you can almost certainly do without either.(Question: there appears to be buckles(conways?) where the overcheck attaches to the bit; where is it attached that you can't remove it? )

Overall, you've done a great job for your first 'shot' at harnessing--BIG congratulations!! Just some basic 'tweaking' should do the trick! (BIG 'thumbs up" on the helmet!!! How wise of you!!)

May you enjoy MANY HAPPY HOURS of driving; it is one of the most enjoyable experiences in the world, IMO!!

Margo
 
Here are some updated pictures of everything once I did some adjusting.

I am sure there are more ways I can improve. I didn't get pictures of all the angles I wanted, my dad only has so much patience for this stuff.

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:aktion033: Better, lol. In the 2nd picture it looks like the britching is a little high, but in the 1st picture it looks good :eek: your breast collar looks good in the 1st pic & low in the 2nd pic
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: . Ok lol 1 more.... the girth is a little far forward in the 1st pic & in a good spot in the 2nd one ..... :eek:
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: LOL By the way a love Spyder's face + color.
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: His face is a lot like Banner's. I can't wait to do what you're are doing, get Banner hitched and then take pic's of him driving so I can learn what i can to better
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: . But of course to do that I got to get him into good condition again, and build some muscle
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: . But up here there's a Nor'easter hitting us hard .....
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Another idea... i would take the over check off, unless you are going to show then I'ld use your other bridle you said you had w/ a sidecheck.
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Well now I'm gonna sit back and see what the pro's say :538:

Ash :saludando:
 
OK- you have got the idea but the cart still needs balancing- you need to bring the seat a tiny bit forward.

If you have made no harness adjustments in the pictures- just moved around, then I think the harness is pretty much in the right place- (PLEASE ask your Father how he fitted the springs- I have instructions but this cart came straight from China so to say the instructions are "colourful" is putting it lightly!!!)

You really do need to get that over check off it makes his face look all "cluttered.

If you are going to sort out a side check for this bridle I would go ahead and carefully unpick the stitching and get it off- the noseband and the check together look awful (WELL- you did ask for opinions
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I really do commend you for wearing a helmet- I suppose the ear to ear grin is optional??

If you keep that up in the ring you are going to really please the Judges- a Judge always loves to see someone just plain enjoying themselves!!

This is a brilliant effort overall- just a bit of tweaking needed now, well done.
 
I still say that breastcollar is too high. I know it's crooked because in the second shot it looks okay and in the first it's just about choking him, but I think if it were hanging level you'd still need to drop it by at least one hole, probably one on each side.

Again, in the first picture the breeching looks fine and in the second it looks too high. I'm not entirely happy with where the shafts are now either as moving them up has caused the cart itself to look unbalanced. Some of it may be an illusion from the angle of the traces though so let's drop the breastcollar a bit and find out, hmm?

Okay, I've got to ask: what exactly are you doing in that first shot??
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: :lol: What a riot! LOL.

Sorry, I'm punch-drunk tonight. Not enough sleep packing for Ram Tap! :eek:

Leia
 
I agree on both points- I do think the breastcollar could come down a notch and I think the breeching might need to as well- I am not certain on that I would like to see the cart balanced before I give judgement on that one!!

Leia she is having FUN!!!
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Okay...actually in the first shot I am throwing pine cones to get Spyder's ears forward. He keeps putting them back to listen to me talking all the time. :eek:

I will move the seat forward a bit and drop the breastcollar down one notch. When I have the cart moving though, the breeching moves down a bit lower than it is in the picture, and it sits right on the point of his...butt.

I tried to figure out how that overcheck comes off. I can't pull it out the top of the headstall because the nose part of the overcheck won't go through the holes, and the other side of the overcheck is too fat to fit through the holes. Talk about annoying. I am going to take it off theough becauase Spyder really doesn't like it.
 
My bridle came with an un-removable over check too. You know how the check comes up the face then splits in two to go trough the holes in the top of the bridle then follows back down the neck before joining together to attatch to the saddle? Cut the leather in the same spot on either side before it joins back together, leaving a few inches before the join. Now, take the check to a harness maker (or even a shoe repair place can probably do it) and have them install two small buckles in the ends. Voila, you now have the check rein that you can put back on should you ever need to re-sell your harness.
 
Wouldn't it be easier to have that same leatherworker simply widen the part it goes through or narrow the fat part of the check strap?
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: My breeching is like that, i.e. it is cut wider on either side of the backstrap and acts like it doesn't want to go through the hole to be taken off but if I tug hard enough it'll go. That's the good thing about leather! :aktion033:

Leia
 
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I have a quick question - I am looking for an easy entry cart to play around with and I like yours....where did you get it?? Thanks
 

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