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Matt, you know I adore you...

However, I disagree so much with the point of view regarding Nationalized healthcare.

IF I had lived in Canada last July 31, 2009 when I found out via a CT scan that I had a "lesion" in my lung, do any of you think that on August 21, 2009 (3 weeks later............) I would be in surgery to take out what was lung cancer (something few people survive). Under our current healthcare system, it was just 3wks for me from finding out something horrible was wrong until I was being fixed.

In that 3wk period, under our current healthcare system, I had a bronchoscopy (out patient surgery) another CT Scan, a very expensive CT-PET Fusion Scan, lots of bloodwork, and other diagnostic scans and tests. I think that under a Nationalized healthcare system, on August 21, 2009 (surgery date), I would be scared out of my mind, knowing something was seriously wrong with me, and waiting to for the FIRST diagnostic test to get to the bottom of what it was. I do not know if I would be alive right now if I were cared for under a socialized or universal health care system .

There's a reason so many people who do live in nations that have National / Universal / Socialized healthcare who can afford to seek coverage in the USA have done so in large numbers.

Because it's such a hot topic, I asked my surgeon, my regular doctor, and my pulmonologist what would have happened to me last summer if I did not have health insurance. All three doctors told me the same thing. I still would have had the diagnostics and I still would have had the surgery. I would have had a big hospital bill, but you know... It's only money. I'd pay a whole heck of a lot of money in order to stay alive. In the situation like I had, time is of the essence. You need a rapid diagnosis and rapid action or you could die. Period. You get that kind of turn around time, for now, in here in the USA.

PS side note, I never smoked, but still got lung cancer...

And...you know I adore you, too, but...Yes, with life threatenting illnesses people get looked at/taken care of very quickly here. There is a lot of misinformation (dare I say propoganda) directed at Americans regarding our level of health care/health care system. I believe it's meant to scare you off of our system of health care ;)
 
The simple fact is: every hospital system is different.

I can only speak for Portland-area hospitals. I've had my share of hospital "vacations"...one of which began with an ER visit and several days of intensive care, two after short stops at urgent care, and one scheduled surgery. In addition, I've recently had three day surgeries on my eyes. Between surgeries, my life is a barrage of procedures and nonstop doctors visits.

These stays have involved four of the major Portland metropolitan-area hospitals.

My husband works at one of these (my eye surgeries were in a completely different area than that in which he works), so I've also had an inside view of how things work. (I only had day surgery at "his" hospital, and it was in a very distant department.)

My experiences with doctors, nurses, CNAs, and other staff have been, for the most part, outstanding.

One surgeon had tears in his eyes when telling me the positive outcome of my operation; a nurse who suspected I had contracted pneumonia while in hospital stayed after her shift to contact my doctor and make certain he knew why she was concerned (she was correct); CNAs who knew how much I hated the regular hospital coffee and went out of their way to get me the "good stuff." (OK, this last was not lifesaving, but it was of dire importance to me!)

The nurses, in particular, were amazing. With each stay, I was there long enough to witness some of what they put up with from nasty patients (some of whom are simply reacting out of pain and discomfort, but nonetheless take tremendous patience).

I did have one bad nurse, and she was a doozy (During a low blood sugar episode she wanted to check my blood sugar instead of just getting me food. Those who know me can guess how I responded
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My experience with hospital administration and insurance are quite different, indeed.

The second-hand view I get through Keith's work in a day surgery unit is that no matter where you go, there are good people and bad. Sometimes the bad are simply exhausted from overwork.

Some doctors are amazing, others believe their own publicity. Some nurses are saints, others are basketcases.

With the hospital Keith works at, the further you get up the administrative ladder, the less connected with patient issues they become. Like many corporations, hospital top administrative managers place pressure on middle management to meet unrealistic budgetary goals. If, say, a nurse/manager objects to unsafe staffing, his or her supervisor suggests that perhaps they are not suited for management, or that they can always lay someone off to meet budget.

Keith's department is constantly overbooked with surgeries and severely short-staffed. Keith does the work that previously was done by three employees. The nurses are similarly overworked, rarely getting their scheduled lunches or breaks.

There are departments in his hospital where nobody wants to work, due to mismanagement and an unpleasant work environment. This sadly affects patient care. Keith's department, day surgery, is a coveted assignment, due to good management and teamwork. They frequently receive commendations from patients. Even in such a good department, however, there is the occasional rotten apple, including a couple of the surgeons.

I always go in expecting great treatment, and so far I've received it. I make a point of smiling and joking and treating all with respect and appreciation. The nurses in post-op teased me for thanking them as I came out of anesthesia.

I just wish upper management and insurance companies treated patients and employees as well as I've been treated by doctors and nurses.
 
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Bottom line, I am really conscious of how grateful I am that when I got sick, I it was pre-National healthcare in the USA and that I lived in the Northern Virginia area (very affluent) where we have some of the best doctors in the world.

How many good doctors will we have when the Government is able to dictate how much they are able to earn? Not that good doctors are solely motivated by money, however, for that type of job, you need to be financially well compensated. As it is now, I'd be surprised if my regular doctor makes a better living than I do and I know the absolute worst thing I could ever cause in the way of harm to a client will not be a matter of life and death. And, I have easier office hours!

I have extremely deep concerns for what the future holds in terms of the USA's healthcare system. Hopefully, it really will not be a single payer system like in Canada. It's something that I've spent a lot of time thinking, learning and talking about.
 
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Bottom line, I am really conscious of how grateful I am that when I got sick, I it was pre-National healthcare in the USA and that I lived in the Northern Virginia area (very affluent) where we have some of the best doctors in the world.

How many good doctors will we have when the Government is able to dictate how much they are able to earn? Not that good doctors are solely motivated by money, however, for that type of job, you need to be financially well compensated. As it is now, I'd be surprised if my regular doctor makes a better living than I do and I know the absolute worst thing I could ever cause in the way of harm to a client will not be a matter of life and death. And, I have easier office hours!

I have extremely deep concerns for what the future holds in terms of the USA's healthcare system. Hopefully, it really will not be a single payer system like in Canada. It's something that I've spent a lot of time thinking, learning and talking about.

I'm just happy that you're well, Jill
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But I have no doubt that you would have had excellent care in my country, too
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My parents family live in Canada(both of my parents were born and raised there) and have had wonderful health care for many many years.

I think it doesnt make any sense to assume that an entire country has poor health care (despite the fact they tell you otherwise) makes about as much sense as to assume every hosptial experience in America is like the one that Marty had.

There are always exceptions but seems to me I see plenty of healthy canadians walking around
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Like anything both countries have good and bad doctors I think the truth is both systems have some flaws and those flaws have a huge effect on peoples lives
 
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One of the reason's I do not mind the move to VA... if this place ever sells!! Is I will have a chance at good health care, either on one of the Military bases or Civilian, don't care but someone that cares and knows their stuff and willing to listen.
 
I have to say that with all that I have been thru in the last year I had exceptional care
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. Yes, there was a few nurses that were having a BAD HAIR DAY but I have also worked in the hospital setting and I can tell you that with the cut backs and patient to nurse ratio they work their ***** off and then some. Blame it on cut backs-insurance companies and the almighty dollar and it is just a SIGN of the TIMES. Folks with no insurance go to the emergency rooms and tie the staff up with a cold or headache instead of true emergencies...
 
Like Marty I have hospital stories that could make straight hair curly.

My sister had lung cancer and had her lung removed (major surgery) I went to see her and she was screaming in pain with the chest tube laying on the bed oozing everywhere. I asked how long she had been laying like that and it was 2 HOURS. Went to the front desk and kicked a** and eventually moved her to a new hospital. Like Marty, we had to always have a family member there or there was no telling what they would do to her.

Last year I took Kyle to the ER with a suspected appendicitis. Did xrays and said they were taking him to surgery. Called hubby out of work and then waited 6 hours. Surgeon came in and refused to operate. Said his appendix was swollen but not bad enough to take out. The nurse was SHOCKED. Hubby and I were scared to death to take Kyle home and the surgeon accused me of being a bad mother wanting my son to have surgery he didnt need. Took Kyle home.

One month later he had another attack but much worse. This time we took him to Childrens Hosptial. The new dr claimed it was nothing and was going to send Kyle home with no tests etc. He said Kyle wasnt in enough pain to be his appendix. I kept telling him Kyle has a high threshold for pain and you cant go by that. Long story short they sonogramed him and his appendix was HUGE and they thought it had burst. Took him to emergency surgery and thank god it hadnt burst yet. The surgeon was wonderful but did tell me that what ever Dr saw him the month before should be shot for not removing that appendix. The Dr did come and apologize to me and Kyle and said he learned a huge lesson. So at least that hospital ultimately listened to us.

I have always said you have to question everything and be your or your family members advocate when being in a hospital.

Kay
 
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This last year I have become an expert in hospitalization and care.

I had 2 surgeries at a major hospital and unless I has Russ running after the nurses for pain meds and empty IV bags, things just did not get done.

Since this i have had nemerous hospitalizations at our local hospital where my family physcian of 15 years called the shots, the nurses cared and they made sure i was taken care of. If I didn't sleep, someone was there, If I didn't eat, someone was there. My illness has escalated to the point that Our little hospital can not handle me. I was referred elsewhere, and I tell you I refuse to be alone for anything, even I follow up visit. In the bigger hospital the poor staff is just plain over worked, and quite frankly, don't care.

Last weekend I had another flare and was in great need of an ER visit, I refused. My family physcian was on vaca and the team of speacialists did not return my phonecalls for 4 days! This is ridiculous.

Before I became ill I worked in the dental field forever and I tell you I would not have even let a tooth ache go like that for my patient. The bigger the hospital, bigger the doctor the less they care. And it is highly because of insurance issues and budget cuts. Something here has got to change!
 
See, my experience was so different than what some others are describing. Inova Fairfax is not a small hospital, and like I said, it is ranked as one of the best in the Nation. My surgeon is BIG TIME, and he was the head of his department at the hospital in addition to having his private practice. I had such quick access to him, had a small problem with the incision getting infected and was able to see him the very next morning after I called. Very easy to talk to. Copied me in on all his letters to my other doctors describing what had happened to date, describing the pathology report when it came back. Honestly, I cannot think of how any of my doctors or medical facilities could have done a better job with helping me and helping me so quickly.

If you pay attention to the news, or talk to doctors, you know that their Medicare reimbursements have been recently cut (again). Once everyone is stuck on a National system, and the government is setting reimbursement rates, we are going to see massive numbers of doctors retire and fewer people will pursue medicine as a career. All those years of education, all that emotional stress, all that liability... and a capped income? How can that be good?

Additionally, the strain on employers will be stellar. We are already hearing about some consequences, if you're listening. As an owner of a corporation and an employer, I know that starting next year, employers will have to report the amount of health insurance premium they pay for employees on the employees' W2's. Why do you think that might be? ...... It shouldn't take long to come to a conclusion there (your benefits will be taxed). If you think it's expensive now, wait until you see the upcoming financial consequences and the result of the Gov't having the say so in what you "need" and what you get.
 
IF I had lived in Canada last July 31, 2009 when I found out via a CT scan that I had a "lesion" in my lung, do any of you think that on August 21, 2009 (3 weeks later............) I would be in surgery to take out what was lung cancer (something few people survive). Under our current healthcare system, it was just 3wks for me from finding out something horrible was wrong until I was being fixed.
In that 3wk period, under our current healthcare system, I had a bronchoscopy (out patient surgery) another CT Scan, a very expensive CT-PET Fusion Scan, lots of bloodwork, and other diagnostic scans and tests. I think that under a Nationalized healthcare system, on August 21, 2009 (surgery date), I would be scared out of my mind, knowing something was seriously wrong with me, and waiting to for the FIRST diagnostic test to get to the bottom of what it was. I do not know if I would be alive right now if I were cared for under a socialized or universal health care system .
I have no doubts at all that you would be alive even if you lived in Canada during that time. Don't forget, I had the same thing, I was treated here in Canada, and I survived. In the first place, the tumor you had is slow growing & non-metastasizing. In the second place, our health care system does not dawdle with things like this.

When it was determined that I had something wrong with my lung, I got in for my broncoscopy in a week or 8 days, and 10 or 12 days after that I was in hospital having my surgery. I didn't get sent home quickly--I was kept in for a full week and would have gone home then except for the fact that I had a pneumothorax & had to have a chest tube put back in--I then stayed in several more days. I didn't get sent home in serious pain with tubes still in. No complaints whatsoever with the medical care I received for the same condition you had. You do not have to be in a US hospital to receive quality care
 
Both of my surgeries this year were in a large hospital in Columbus and I received excellent care. IVs were changed as soon as the beeper went off, and if I rang for something, I got someone in seconds.

I also have my surgeon's cell phone number and have 24/7 access to him.

Yes, he does answer it, I had to call on a Sunday morning and he answered right away.

Don't get that kind of care from my personal doc.
 
Jill,

Speaking of doctors, whatever happened with the doctor(s) that missed your diabetes? Hopefully he/she/they WILL be retiring! (I've had a couple like that, and I'm always reminded of the idiots you had to deal with.)

Frankly, the insurance companies have everyone's nuts in a vise (sorry...crudeness is called for here).

I am all for doctors being extremely well paid. My eye surgeon drives a $100,000 Tesla -- good for him. He's amazing. But doctors get a tiny percentage of our healthcare dollar. The insurance companies, on the other hand, are simply sucking us dry, cancelling insurance policies when people make a claim after paying premiums for years.

Can you say bloodsuckers?

The current system is abominable and the new plan is a pathetic compromise brought about by partisan politics.

I refuse to believe that the wealthiest country in the world cannot come up with a plan that takes care of EVERYONE, provides excellent care AND ensures proper reimbursement for healthcare providers.

We're not there yet. This is NOT a partisan issue, but one on which we must all work together and demand a REAL solution.
 
What doctor missed my diabetes? I was diagnosed years ago. I think you may be remembering / questioning why they combined Byetta and insulin, which didn't work well for me. But no one missed my diabetes.

The system works well now. It could be improved. But it is slated to get worse.
 
I'm sorry...I must have misread your post way back when on this thread:

Since I know all too well the side effects of diabetes, your post really bothered me at the time -- enough that I remember it to this day.

Posted 15 August 2007 - 01:54 PM

Well, to be honest, I think I've been diabetic actually for YEARS.

I had repeated miscarriages and had been seeing a group of doctors. I peed for them probably 25 times... When I got pregnant again around this past Christmas, I thought it was time for a different doctor. This one caught right away that I was diabetic (sugar in my pee). When I was at my former doctors for what turned out to be my 3rd miscarriage, the nurse mentioned "what did you have sweet to eat" (I hadn't had breakfast!), and said there was sugar in my pee but no elaboration and I was just really focused on if it was another miscarriage.

So, anyway, my new OBGYN caught it right away, and he thinks this was the cause of all my miscarriages, including the last one this past winter. I started seeing an internist and tried oral meds but knowing you can't (shouldn't) get pregnant on them, I went on insulin fast. I like it in that it's controlling my numbers well.

However, my eyes are acting wierd so I went to the opthimologist (sp?) and found out I have macular edema. I'm on eye drops and may need laser surgery. I just found this out about a week and a half ago... BUT, I wouldn't have this situation at the stage it is if I hadn't had undiagnosed diabetes for a LONG time. Which now has me scared about my kidneys. My blood work was within normal range but in light of the situation with my eyes, I have to have a more extensive evaluation. It makes my knees / joints feel like jello when I think on this (the possible implications) too much.

Anyway, I do feel better than I had for years. It's in hindsight I see how bone tired I was for years. Now that my sugar is much better, I feel the difference.

I'm going to be talking to an attorney after I find out about my kidneys. I figure the other practice not "catching" this had me have this untreated for years longer and that did damage at least to my eyes, and probably caused 3 additional miscarriages that were of course "no fun". Depending on what we find out about my kidneys, I may not be able to try for pregnancy #5. Much as I'd love a kid, I'm not going to put my health at more risk or anything. [bolding mine]

This is probably more than anyone wants to know I'd been wanting to "vent" about it but so far only have talked to my family and one friend. I've been really worried since finding out about my eyes (not so much about my eyes, as about what that may mean about my kidneys).

Thanks for asking (and listening) You know, I'm supposed to be 40 years older than I am before I spend a page talking about my health problems
Again, I apologize if I misunderstood your original post.
 
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Thanks, Susanne, for doing a search about my miscarriages. It was nice to click your link and see miscarriage highlighted all over my referenced post.

Although a couple of days ago when you questioned doctors possibly missing my diabetes, I didn't remember feeling that way (3 years ago) but now that I re-read the post, I do. At one point in time, I felt like my OBGYN's had missed that I was diabetic, or pre-diabetic. I no longer think that is the case... After all, I didn't bother to go to medical school and at that point in time, 3yrs ago, I was pretty emotional about the miscarriages and scared about my kidneys. I'm not sure if that's relatable to you or not.

Like many women, while I should have been seeing a primary care doctor in addition to an OBGYN / GYN, I was not doing so. Luckily, while my eyes, like yours, are not good, my kidneys are just fine and my diabetes is well under control with an A1C of 6.2 last time.

To bring it "full circle" in terms of this thread, I've only been to the emergency room a few times in my life and in each case, I was treated well and in an appropriate time frame. I didn't ever see bleeding people laying around nor people who were suffering heart attacks left in the waiting room. Through our current healthcare system, I've had access to prompt care that probably saved my life. At this point, we have the best healthcare in the world, and I fear that is going to change for the worse in short order. With what I have been through, the conversations I have had with my doctors and others, the news I am very attentive to -- I can't help but feel as I do.
 
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I have always said you have to question everything and be your or your family members advocate when being in a hospital.

Kay
I agree with this 100%. I am always on my toes when any family member enters the hospital....double checking things and asking questions....don't care if I'm a pain in their behinder. Family comes first.
 
Jill, I apologize for the highlighted words. It was certainly NOT my intention to bring back sad memories.I simply intended to show where I got the idea that your doctors had missed your diagnosis.

I had never previously referenced earlier posts and didn't realize that any search terms would remain highlighted once it was linked.
 
I have a friend who worked in the ER and I asked her why are ERs so terribly slow. We have all been there, hours and hours spent at the ER. She responded that it was due to people seeking non-emergent care at hospitals. Chronic pain conditions, dental services, STD checks, well care visits, etc, services that are covered by welfare that can be sought at the hospital. It clogs up the waiting room and prevents the urgent care to people who actually need it.

What is worse is this health care bill that was passed. It sounds so wonderful, but in reality it's going to complicate your ability to receive prompt care even more. It's just the same thing at your family doctor and ob/gyn visit. People with minor complaints taking up two patient slots and preventing the people with high risk issues from getting in right away. I have taken up too much time at the doctor, so I'm not exempt. Always good when I write down my complaints on paper so that we can get through it quickly without mincing words!
 
IF I had lived in Canada last July 31, 2009 when I found out via a CT scan that I had a "lesion" in my lung, do any of you think that on August 21, 2009 (3 weeks later............) I would be in surgery to take out what was lung cancer (something few people survive). Under our current healthcare system, it was just 3wks for me from finding out something horrible was wrong until I was being fixed.
Jill - I may be a bit late to the discussion, but as others have pointed out, you have bought into a lot of propaganda (for want of a better word) with that statement. The truth - and not the propaganda - is that YES you would have likley been seen in much the same time frame or maybe even sooner - it is all on an individual case basis, after all. My best friend in Canada went to her doctor about a lump in her neck. TWO DAYS LATER she was in surgery (with a top notch surgeon) for her thyroid and had a malignant tumour removed. Only the propaganda would have you believe that she waited for weeks and weeks....

Not true.

The truth is there are good and bad hospitals/ERs everywhere - as Marty and others have related. But blanket statements/assumptions like the one you made seem to ignore that fact.

I have been "under" both systems. And I know which one worked best for me. Not the one here in WA that has emptied my bank account (and yes, I have as much insurance as I can afford) and all but guaranteed that I will never be able to retire or be secure financially. I am very glad that you are doing well now, but just because you personally will never have to face that kind of medical bill-induced financial crisis does not meant that it does not happen - and I am far from the only one in this position...
 
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