Are you POSITIVE there is no other reason she does not want the Stallion gelded on her property?? Have you had a Vets report on him??
I would be suspecting retained testicle , if I were trying to buy him. Also you have not the option to breed a gelding, even when you are ready to!!There is something smelling in the Perlino deal, for me, I would not be happy with this deal. The other one?
Well, if not the mare offered, what els has your friend got that you like??The other problem here is you are buying a stallion (albeit gelded) to keep a yearling filly company- that doesn't work for me, not at all. I doubt you would get then together this year.
I would go for the filly that you are not do fond of- she will grow on you!!
He won't be gelded at their place because its all mud there & he's in a stand stall. She has no where to put him to exercise. She doesn't want him to get infected. At our house our ground is very hard, and we could turn him out all day with no problems.
And I DO NOT want a stallion for showing. I couldn't show midnight in any youth classes, so I told my family we needed a gelding. I will never be breeding this boy! And he has 5 or 6 live foals on the ground. And when I looked at him, I checked every thing, movement, feet, legs, hair, teeth.. and genitals. He is 100% there.
No, the only thing my friend had that I really like was Joy
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You know which one you want. I would have a full vet check on the boy before the sale comes in May. You are looking for a horse you can show in all kinds of classes and not worry about, that sounds like a gelding to me.
What matters most is ,"what do you want?" I know what you want as well as anybody else that has read your posts. You are looking for people to tell you what you want to hear.
Make the decision you can live with. Not something that you will always wonder about.
Robin
Robin, this post expressly helped me, thank you.
I also feel that something isn't right about the stud. First...no payments when she will have him until May AND that she doesn't want him gelded there. I agree with Rabbit that it sounds like she wants to unload a problem. There is something VERY fishy here! If your heart is set on THIS horse, I would call again, ask to see ALL of his paperwork (and if it isn't in order or she hesitates--RUN). Then ask if you can have a vet out to do a pre-purchase exam. Something in my gut says something is wrong with this sale and do you really want to be stuck with a crytorchid stud or one without papers (or at best that you would have to spend a fortune to get everything fixed) and STILL have the possibility of your dreams going up in smoke?
Now onto the mare. This sounds like a great deal, but if your heart isn't set on her, then plain and simply don't do it. There are too many horses out there that are exactly what you want! I would take that list and not hand over my money until everything on there is met. You CAN get exactly what you want for that amount of money, my dear. My advice is to hold out for one that meets or exceeds your list. Until then, save those pennies!
-Amy
I believe she’s just very pushy... She sees the profit on her livestock.
He is not crytorchid. I will look in to both the papers and pre-purchase exam.
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I would say buy the one you have your heart set on but
a 7 year old stallion even gelded is not the right companion for a yearling especially a filly - it can take years (or never in my friend's mini's case and he was gelded at 5, both testicles removed, and is still breeding/bothering her mares and gelding 6 years later).
Also remember that he will still be fertile for up to a month or so after gelding. So if this was a major consideration in buying him be honest with yourself and take that out of the equation as your filly could actually be hurt badly by him. I would personally want to check for both testicles also - has this fellow ever breed any mares? That's another consideration to look at.
I would definitely need to actually see his paperwork to be sure she is owner of record and has permanent papers. You may not be buying the seller but a bad experience imo and experience is not worth it.
If you want him - wait till the auction. I wouldn't worry about someone buying him first after all how long has she been trying to sell him? If she does it wasn't meant to be.
It is worth checking out the mare - after all you can have her pregnancy tested. You should always explore all your options and this sounds like a great opportunity and a real companion for your filly.
I've seen what great results/time/effort and care you put in your minis - I don't think it would take you any longer to get this mare going than it would the "gelding" -
if she is pregnant then maybe you can recoup some of your money with the sale of the foal (if you can bring yourself to sell the foal
). So what if you need to wait one more year to show her? Think how awesome she'd be by then. Plus if she is due soon and you work with handling till the foal is born you may be able to show this year later in the season. If she is close enough I would certainly take a visit to meet her.
Also as Rabbit said you have the option of breeding her down the road when you retire her from showing
Might be best to write down in 2 columns your pros and cons sometimes seeing it all written out helps.
Good luck whichever way you decide!
They won't be together until 3 months
: I do it slowly & carefully, I don't like risking early pregnancies.
It only takes one person to like him, and he’s gone. I've missed out before.
You gave me the idea, which I'll state later, thanks!
We are no really set up for a foal & only have the space for 1 mini... which is why we would have such a hard time selling the foal.. They're just too cute!
We did that, and for our family, at this time in our life, the gelding is our best bet.
Thank you for your opinions
As many have stated there is something not right with the deal with the stallion! I think it was said the stallion has not been worked with? I would question why is he still a stud and never been worked with????? Maybe they tried and couldn't do anything with him?? I think you have exp. enough to get the mare going but the stallion could be a multi year project if they have screwed up with him in the past and are not telling the whole story.
Another line of thought is that seller may be trying to steer you away as she knows he will be a bad fit and may never work out for you??
Good luck with your decision Desiree!
The stallion was wild until he was 5, but is now excellent! They have been great with him. He is halter trained, but his owner now has only had him for a year and a bit. Before that, he had NEVER been in a barn, touched, had his feet done or checked by a vet! Now their 6 year old son can lead him around! (Edited: I assumed he could, but I was wrong, this is a bold statement and I was incorrect.) It is the MARE who can't be lead or tied, or caught.
No, both have little time for them - which is why they are selling.
They are very close, they both need training and time and TLC. I plan to work both.
I agree with KrisP's husband… don’t throw the baby out with the bath water...just because you don't like the seller doesn't mean the horse shouldn't be yours if you still want him. Now that said, is there some reason she (the stallion seller) is pulling these shenanigans or perhaps you all rubbed her the wrong way and she just didn't want to have to deal with the gelding process, the payments, etc.etc. or perhaps your enthusiasm made her feel her horse was more valuable than she thought and she wants to try to find a buyer for a higher price. Now as for your friend's horse..I had a friend that dispersed two years ago and she had 3 mares that I had always admired but needed like I needed a hole in my head...she of course made me a deal that I couldn't refuse and I ended up with 3 horses (2 in foal) that I really didn't want or need at the time but I succumbed and bought all three
: I love the horses and love their babies but......If you are limited to how many horses you can have or provide for then you must go with the horse that you truly want..IMO Don't be in too big of a rush. If the horse you want doesn't work out due to the reluctance of the seller try to find another of your liking that fits the bill but if your friend's horse is a horse that you like almost as much than perhaps this what sounds like a great opportunity is truly a Godsend. Now this post should clear up your dilemma.
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I didn't think of some of those! Good points, maybe she was hurt with time payments before! Ha that makes sense! Thank you so much!
You're young and have time on your side so perhaps have the time to settle and train but
I must say gelding a 7 year stallion depending on the stallion could be a handful.
That's a long time to be a stallion eh? I know I know, some are like , but some are not and like the others have said I'd not ever buy him until I had a full vet report in my hand from a good vet,
maybe not even hers to be sure you know what you'd be getting.
At 64 yrs old, I've been there done that and hate to see you get disappointed dear. Best of luck no matter what you decide. Maybe you need to just start from scratch and fins a totally different horse aside from either one of those two
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Maxine
I have handled stallions before. Midnight is a stallion, and I've worked with him since I was born. This stallion is very quite and calm, and would make a dream gelding. With a little work, he would be the 'puppy dogs' type.
I don't think having her vet would be good either, I'd have ours look into it.
Well, I was on the search for my youth gelding/stallion 3 years & up. I found this guy...
There are a lot of good horses out there and I too would be leery of this stallion. Did you say at seven he doesn't even lead? HMMMMMMM that usually sends up red flags and the way the seller is behaving regarding this boy. Don't understand if he's going to be there until May why not do a payment plan, what if you get this stallion home and he harms Joy? I think liking the person you buy from goes a lot as when a person is up front, honest, and caring that usually means so are their horses. People that can't give you a reason why tend to be not on the up and up. I always say, when you deal with someone for a long time and you like and they like you, you are apt to get a good deal, than the person you barely know and apparently doesn't care whether you can pay up front or not. You might want to pass on both and tell the friendly lady you really want a gelding but if you can't find one that fits "you" you would be glad to take the mare if she needs a home in the near future. It's tough to make decisions, but when you deal with a person for a long time like your friend, she'll be there for you when you need her, can you say that about the person that owns the stallion?
No that is the Mare.
True.. You too have really good points...
KrisP just expressed exactly my thoughts.
If you want it to, your "relationship" with the seller doesn't need to extend anywhere past the transaction date. I say "I'm sold on a seller before I'm sold on a horse" often because I'm dealing usually with horses I'm not seeing in person. I need to trust that the seller is truthful and knowledgeable. But, this is a horse you have met and you KNOW you like. You need to pick the horse that is best for you.
And, just like was said already, you probably can get him cheaper by showing up at the auction.
This post makes ALOT of sense! Thank you!
Now, you have probably figured I’m not buying the mare. She’s not the show quality we want, among other things. But I will help my friend instead. On my march break, I am going up to my dad’s, Sandra doesn’t live to far away. I’m going to spend 2-5 days with this mare, and see if I can’t get her a little tame. I can get there at 9am and leave at 6pm every day. That way I help her out, but can still get the horse in my heart…
I can’t stop thinking about this stallion. He has conformation, and a good mind. He is built like Midnight in his younger days and he ever whinnies like him. The stallion is good to set up, and walk on a lead. I spent 4 month searching for this stallion at the sale, and he is still every thing I want… so
I’m going to buy the HORSE, not the seller! I’m so happy and hope it works out… I sent the last 2 nights very sleep less. I want this guy. I have $700 and hope to buy at the end of February, please wish me luck…
Thanks Guys
- Desiree
(Sorry it so long!)
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