I need housebreaking help

[lyn_j]

[SIZE=14pt]You have seen the cutie that my son got for me....Annie the mini doxie. Well she is so cute and she can really make you feel sorry for her.... and I have created a monster by letting her sleep with me the first night. Since she came thurs she has only spent 1 night in her crate. Now....those of you that know me know I have bred and shown dogs for a good part of my 50 plus years.... I have had a kennel building in the old house but not here. I have not had a really young puppy in a while. Anyway. This little girl can stay dry ALLLLLLL night if she is in the bed but not if she is in her crate. I have her crated at different times of the day as well when I cant watch her and she not only barks the whole time but will pee in there too. I had her is a condo thingy that we got when a vets office closed 4 years ago . PAid 50 bucks for it complete with trays and hygenic floors and the 4 compartments become two if you take the center dividers out. Anyway.... long story short, how can I get this kid to go longer in the crate without peeing sometimes 2 hours is too long for her and how can I get the barking to stop????[/SIZE]

I have a small carrier that I can put her in, she can turn around but thats about it. no hygenic floor so if she pees she will have to lay in it....ewww

I have not had a hound before either....if that makes any difference. The corgi kid is quiet in the xpen but still doesnt make it all night without potty. she is 12 weeks old. The doxie is 19 weeks old.

Looking at any and all suggestions.

Forgot how to be a puppy mom....

Lyn

 

[ChrystalPaths]

Well Lyn I won't be popular but this is what I do. I do not kennel a house dog all day. I offer the kennel as a nice place to retire and rest. I try to place it on a doorway and use a baby gate in conjuction with the door on the crate. I use a bungee cord to connect the two and this way the pup can use the crate but go potty on the "yes" papers or wee wee pads.

Lil doggies have tiny bladders. We as mommies are usually busy at the precise moment they need to "go". My Fia is 2 now and loves to go outside but I'm not always there for her. She has papers if she needs them. I "hate" to take any dog out after dark and especially after I'm in bed. This trick worls for me. I have raised and trained dogs and pups for 30 yrs. I just prefer this way, especially with the littles.

If I go to the store or out to the barn, doggie goes in the puppy area with a chewy and some toys. No water. Doxies are such a sweet smart dog. She has you figured out and some doggies take a bit longer to work out their new home and family. Routine is paramount. 4 small meals with frequent water. No water after 6 or 7pm.

Hope this helps in some small way. Annie is adorable and I know she'd be sleeping in a bed if I had her too. Actually most of mine do until they're maybe 4 mos old.

I can take a pic of Jessie's set up if it will help at all.

 

[Jill]

[SIZE=13pt]Lyn,[/SIZE]

Can you get one of those round puppy / kid play pens so you can switch her from the crate to outside where she can't get into trouble / hurt? The kind that look like they are made of plastic baby gates I mean. Maybe she is feeling anxious about being alone in the kennel?

I did crate train Winston when he was a puppy. He felt like the crate was his safety zone but he was only in it at night until he was house broken (which happened after I finally let him try to sleep on the bed vs. the crate ironically!). He went to work w/ me, and was tied to my desk, so was not in the crate a lot.

BUT with Winston, he came from an awful place. He was 8wks old (maybe 6? I forget now!) and was born in Oklahoma yet low and behold for sale in Virginia. I did not know we were walking into a puppy mill distibution center until we got there (it was just a house, but lots of breeds...) and by then, I had my heart set on a puppy. Anyway, he was very filthy. He totally reaked of dog poop and I remember taking him immediately to the bathroom when we got home and washing him. He was so hard to house break and did not learn until he was about 6 mos old. He would walk into a room and I could tell by looking at how he looked at me, he'd gone to the bathroom (guilt ridden face). I think he thought I got mad at him for going, not mad at him for going INSIDE.

Since he was so extremely filthy, I've always thought the reason he was hard to housebreak is that he was kept in filth before I got him. I think he got accustomed to being in a nasty enviroment and didn't know better. Just in case that could be the situation with your girl (hope not, but I am sure it was bad for Winston J before we got him).

Maggie and Kelsey picked up on house breaking fast but were either crated or closed in a small area until they could be trusted. They get to be out in the yard 75% of the time when it is not raining so that helps. It seems like 19 weeks is getting pretty close to being able to go a longer time w/o going potty but different breeds develop different and she may still be confused about being in a new home.

Good luck with her. Puppies are my favorite thing on earth and I swear that Kelsey the collie is a fur genius.

Jill

 

[lyn_j]

[SIZE=14pt]I really cant leave her outside in the Xpen most of the day....she would freeze to death.... she is practically hairless on her chest and she IS hairless in her armpits... her coat is very thin. I have put her into a crate without a hygenic floor this afternoon thinking maybe if she had to be in the wet she wouldnt wet. I love the condo with the floor but it really doesnt teach puppies that it is nasty to go potty where you sleep.[/SIZE]

The place she came from is a kennel but a neat and clean well cared for one. She was in a run with her brother and sisters and they had a doggy door that they could just go out when they had to. I had to teach her about newspapers by the door. Deb, I dont have any doorway areas. I have all open downstairs except my office which has two door ways that are right now blocked off for Tippy and her litter of 4. I have the corgi kid Caroline in an Xpen in the kitchen next to Robbys playpen. I have tried putting the two together Annie and Caroline that is in the Xpen but Caroline wants to Corgi wrestle with Annie and she doesnt really appreciate that sort of play. I take her out before and after each meal, she plays for a bit and then about a half hour later I put her back into the crate. In the evenings when I sit to watch tv she is on my lap. GUess I just forgot what to do. She has been quieter this afternoon in the other crate..... maybe she feels more secure than in the one that is steel and mostly open.

Lyn

 

[luvmycritters]

Hi Lyn, well I didnt read much of the other replys, so hopefully I wont be repeating what has already been suggested. I have raised puppies for years, use to raise A.P.B.T. back when I was apartment bound. Each dog/pup had their own crate to stay in while I was at work. Of course the first thing I did upon arriving home was to take all of the dogs out side to potty and play. The older the puppies got - the longer they were able to "hold it" while in their crates. The crying will stop if you egnore it - HARD TO DO I KNOW. Repition is every thing! Good luck! Lori

 

[Sterling]

I know one thing that worked for me with my Lakota when I first brought her home was to put a blanket over her crate to make her feel more protected. The first night she cried alot during the night...the second night I got the blanket idea and covered her crate...she cried the first 15 minutes...the third night she cried for 10 minutes and the 4th night she slept thru the night!!! YESSSS!!!!!!

I have always used my crates as the puppie's sleeping quarters and a place to rest when I can't watch them. It's big enough so that I could put 1/2 with newspapers just in case puppy needed to do an "oopsie" during the night.....and so that I could put some nice blankie down on the other half so she could get away from any wet or poopie. We were pretty much going out every 10 minutes during the day...she was a little pee-pee machine. In water would go thru her mouth...and out it would come....well you know. For two months strait I dedicated myself to her constantly.......it's a good way to work up your endurance too btw!!

Since she's a house dog, she's got the run of the house, of course with me at her heels watching and making sure she does not get into anything that will harm her...the words "leave it" and "give" are a constant thing in our vocabulary with her.

Sorry off topic there.....but all in all, I think as your little girl gets older and confident in her new environment she will get the hang of not whittling so much. This is just what I've done with my puppies that has always worked for me.

Edited to add: During the night it was outside every 2 to 3 hours thru-out the night. But not to play, just to stretch legs, go do her duty and back in the crate so she could sleep more comfty and without a full bladder.

 

[minimama]

Well, I didn't read all teh other replies so hopefully this will nto be a repeat. When trainign a small dog not to go in the crate, we always ALWAYS!!!! use a veyr small crate. If teh have room to move around a lot then they will pee, but if they don't have a lot of room to move, then they just don't pee. It has worked everytime for us adn befopre long you can move them to a little larger crate but not too large as they will again start to pee.

 

[liltnt]

[SIZE=14pt]I was always told, if you feed them in their crate they dont potty in it. Most animals dont want to potty where they eat and sleep. [/SIZE]

So start feeding her in their. Dont leave her in their for long after she has finished unless you have to/ At twelve weeks is the best time to teach them potty rules as its at about that age they actually start getting some control over the bladder.

If that doesnt work she may be doing it for spite. In which case I am of no use what so ever.

I litter box trained my pug and love it. I could put her in a crate and she will use the box rather than just potty in her bed

 

[Kathy2m]

[SIZE=21pt]Lyn, My suggestion for the crying is a squirt gun with water and a no bark command, A dog trainer told me this, of course it only works if your dog doesnt like water, My corgi is pretty loud, a fellow corgi breeder told me about a product called pet agree it has a high pitched sound when you push the button (its not an automatic one) it works very well with those big eared corgis, not so well with my JRT. Doxies have a way about them we had a standard size black and red for 17 years.[/SIZE]

 

[justanothercowgirl]

[SIZE=21pt]I do the same thing as minimamma, small dog-small crate. Teddy has never went pottie in his crate and as he got bigger he graduated to a bigger crate. I would maybe put a little dish of food in like Sterling said. I would also just put an old towel in the crate for her to lie on and in case she pees. It almost sounds like she is being spiteful. My step-sister has had a few of that breed and I know they can be spiteful little things if they are annoyed. As for the barking, I think I would ignore it for the time being and when she doesn't get a payoff from it she will hopefully stop. Good luck!![/SIZE]

 

[Bluerocket]

[SIZE=12pt]No suggestions here -- - just sympathy.[/SIZE]

I have raised a lot of dogs in my life -- raised several litters of Corgi puppies - and had a mastiff as well. I have NEVER had a dog I could not eventually housebreak. They all were crate trained and considered their crates to be their special room --- and never soiled crate or house..... HOWEVER -----

I now have a black tri corgi female with ADD - I swear it -- she does NOT understand about only going potty outside. When the urge hits her - she goes. I don't care how small a crate, how large a crate, whether she is in the washroom or where she is -- when the urge hits she goes! She also has an attention span of 4 seconds or less - unless you are holding a treat in front of her face. THEN she can focus on the treat for as long as it takes.

I have given up on this dog -- she lives outside in all good weather (with our other housebroken corgi) - and shares a dog house with the other corgi -- in bad weather they come inside and have separate crates -- I simply clean up after her in the crate if she has an accident - in this case - she considers the crate an ok place to be - but she is shut in it and cannot come and go as I would like her to be able to do -- this also means that I shut in the housebroken dog as well -- as the younger dog goes NUTS if she is shut in and the other is loose. (I can understand that). Pippi (the non-housebroken corgi) will pace in her crate unless given something to distract her - until she falls asleep -- she can only last about 5 hours in there before the urge hits her - even if she has just pottied immediately prior to entering the crate.

Oh well -- sometimes things are like this.

 

[lyn_j]

[SIZE=14pt]JJ, I have never heard of a corgi with ADD.... actually of the two puppies, the corgi is younger but better with confinement than the doxie. Today I came home from the dentist......a whole nother thread...... both were dry, both went out pottie but when they came in Annie the doxie had to poop some more NEXT to the papers! She is getting the idea of going to the door and sit staring up at the handle.... you all know how well I see so she is probably telling me when she had to go and Im just missing it. My corgi Caroline, is great. She is learning fast. She goes out whith me to do chores, she potties when I say to bit still sometimes in the Xpen when I dont listen and get her right away. I will just be patient. Annie slept in her little crate ALL NIGHT no barking and no pee. I was thrilled.[/SIZE]

Going to take a nap now from the exhausting 3.5 hours upside down in the dentist chair. Taking a pill and sleeping it off for a bit. Puppies are all in their beds.

Lyn

 

[billiethekid40]

hmmm.... I'd hazard a guess that if she was staying dry when she was in bed with you, but not in her kennel it just might be a spite thing. I know our dog will pee in the house if you do something to really really make her mad, like go away for the weekend and leave her with a sitter she will pee when we get home. Maybe not quite a spite thing with your girl as much as maybe she just gets worked up over being confined and pees accidentally. Or she could be nervous in her crate. With the barking I'd say that may be the case. If she stayed dry and didn't bark last night, maybe she is settling in and getting used to her crate? Hopefully you are making progress. Remember, don't give up on something and try something new too often, or nothing will have a chance to work. Routine will most likely get her in the end, but you knew that

On a side note, putting a towel in doesn't work for all dogs. Our male never pees in his kennel, but put a towel in there and expect him and it to be soaked come morning! He HAS to sleep in his bare floor kennel. Set us back for a while with him, untill we figured it out!