Mona
Well-Known Member
Before I begin, just let me say, I am not good with words, so please bear with me here, and try to understand what I am saying.
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I thought I would post this while it is still kind of fresh in my mind. All of this talk about the AMHS has really got me to thinking. First off, I would not support the new registry since it would not really seem to help out with AMHA horses too much. As others have said, if it was not a separate registry, but a different division of the AMHA, where taller horses sould go, that may be of interest. It would be yet another registry to send money to, when registering. 2 main groups are plenty sufficient for me.
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Now that brings up my train of thought. We often have this debate here on the Forum, about AMHA opening their doors to accept over 34" horses...those that have come from AMHA registered parents, but have gone oversize themselves. Some say we have AMHR for that...that may be so, but many AMHA people would like to have the opportunity to keep the oversized offspring...that is not to punish the horse, just because it grew too much.
As many have said, there are and will always be many people that have horses taller than the 34", but have kept the AMHA papers on those animals. Some insist that they only want this over division so their minis do not lose their heritage, and so that they can continue to breed, and possibly produce smaller than themselves.
So what if AMHA opened a new "over division". Some people are very firm in their desires to have that option available, while others ask why, since people will then be adding 36, 38, 40" horses. Always taller than the allowable limit no matter where it is set.
I think the main problem here, would be dishonesty, so what AMHA needs to do, is to help entice people to BE HONEST in their heights. I think it would be a great idea to open such a division for those people to use that truely desire it, and are willing to go to greater extremes to have it available to them. My thoughts were, that if someone truely wanted to have their horse go into the higher division because it went over, then AMHA would allow them to do so, but only under certain circumstances and it would still retain full AMHA papers so when bred in the future, the foals also would be AMHA eligible.
Suppose I have a 30" stallion, bred him to a 33" mare. The foal ends up "going over". I can either turn in the papers to void registration, losing all AMHA privledges on the horse, OR, I can contact AMHA and ask that they consider my horse for the over division. To be accepted, I would have to take both the mare AND stallion to an AMHA show or Past/Current director or pay them to come to me to have BOTH parents OFFICIALLY measured, and height verified and recorded. AMHA would keep records of this. This would be done at the sole expense of the owner of the horse that goes over, much like hardshipping. If either of the parents measured "over", then the foal would be ineligible for registration, and the registration papers on the parent that measured over would also be pulled. That would help keep people very honest, yet would be providing something to the members that they have been asking for. People breeding 34" or over stock would not sell with AMHA papers if they knew there was a chance the AMHA measure the horses and would pull papers.
Sure, many people will say to heck with it...it's just not worth it, and that is fine, but for those people that TRUELY, for one reason or another want to do it it would be available to them.
I know there would be all kinds of technicalities, loopholes etc., and every owner registering a horse would have to do so on the agreement that thier horse would be subject to measurement should someone come forward with a request to retain AMHA papers as an animal goes over. Not all people would even want to bother, but I have heard of some people that are very determined to do whatever they can to try to get the papers kept for various reasons.
No, it is not a sollution, but the only thing so far that I have heard or thought of that may actually deter people from continuing to raise and breed AMHA horses over 34". I know it is full of holes! Just thinking out loud, and throwing a thought or idea out there.
I thought I would post this while it is still kind of fresh in my mind. All of this talk about the AMHS has really got me to thinking. First off, I would not support the new registry since it would not really seem to help out with AMHA horses too much. As others have said, if it was not a separate registry, but a different division of the AMHA, where taller horses sould go, that may be of interest. It would be yet another registry to send money to, when registering. 2 main groups are plenty sufficient for me.
Now that brings up my train of thought. We often have this debate here on the Forum, about AMHA opening their doors to accept over 34" horses...those that have come from AMHA registered parents, but have gone oversize themselves. Some say we have AMHR for that...that may be so, but many AMHA people would like to have the opportunity to keep the oversized offspring...that is not to punish the horse, just because it grew too much.
As many have said, there are and will always be many people that have horses taller than the 34", but have kept the AMHA papers on those animals. Some insist that they only want this over division so their minis do not lose their heritage, and so that they can continue to breed, and possibly produce smaller than themselves.
So what if AMHA opened a new "over division". Some people are very firm in their desires to have that option available, while others ask why, since people will then be adding 36, 38, 40" horses. Always taller than the allowable limit no matter where it is set.
I think the main problem here, would be dishonesty, so what AMHA needs to do, is to help entice people to BE HONEST in their heights. I think it would be a great idea to open such a division for those people to use that truely desire it, and are willing to go to greater extremes to have it available to them. My thoughts were, that if someone truely wanted to have their horse go into the higher division because it went over, then AMHA would allow them to do so, but only under certain circumstances and it would still retain full AMHA papers so when bred in the future, the foals also would be AMHA eligible.
Suppose I have a 30" stallion, bred him to a 33" mare. The foal ends up "going over". I can either turn in the papers to void registration, losing all AMHA privledges on the horse, OR, I can contact AMHA and ask that they consider my horse for the over division. To be accepted, I would have to take both the mare AND stallion to an AMHA show or Past/Current director or pay them to come to me to have BOTH parents OFFICIALLY measured, and height verified and recorded. AMHA would keep records of this. This would be done at the sole expense of the owner of the horse that goes over, much like hardshipping. If either of the parents measured "over", then the foal would be ineligible for registration, and the registration papers on the parent that measured over would also be pulled. That would help keep people very honest, yet would be providing something to the members that they have been asking for. People breeding 34" or over stock would not sell with AMHA papers if they knew there was a chance the AMHA measure the horses and would pull papers.
Sure, many people will say to heck with it...it's just not worth it, and that is fine, but for those people that TRUELY, for one reason or another want to do it it would be available to them.
I know there would be all kinds of technicalities, loopholes etc., and every owner registering a horse would have to do so on the agreement that thier horse would be subject to measurement should someone come forward with a request to retain AMHA papers as an animal goes over. Not all people would even want to bother, but I have heard of some people that are very determined to do whatever they can to try to get the papers kept for various reasons.
No, it is not a sollution, but the only thing so far that I have heard or thought of that may actually deter people from continuing to raise and breed AMHA horses over 34". I know it is full of holes! Just thinking out loud, and throwing a thought or idea out there.
it has to do with money - to heck with being fair to those without a lot of it!!!!
