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Licking/Chewing=Learning?

by: Sue McDonnell, PhD, Certified AAB

December 01 2005, Article # 6346

Horse Health News

Horse Welfare and Industry News

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I'm studying for an MSc in Equine Science and am researching equine behavior. Having studied scientific literature, including your catalog of horse behavior (The Equid Ethogram, A Practical Field Guide to Horse Behavior), I cannot find any reports or descriptions of "licking and chewing" while head lowered in feral or domestic herds. My queries are as follows:

1. Do you know of any scientific reports describing or explaining that behavior?

2. Certain scientific authors are suggesting that this is "displacement be- havior;" do you know of any studies that support this?

I've also experienced the situation when training a horse to do a new move--such as moving the right leg forward and back on command, as we stop and rest at each correct response. After being allowed to stand quietly for a short while, he will start blinking his eye, then move his jaw (his neck will usually be out front and to my eye does not look tense). I see it now with every horse I work with, and also observe it with other people working horses. I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me. It happens if you wait and give the horse time. This was described to me by a Canadian cowboy as "he's blinking so he's thinking, and now he's digesting the thought so he's now learned."

3. Can you help me describe this licking and chewing, blinking and jaw movement in scientific terms?

Isobel Duncan

Royal Dick Vet School University of Edinburgh

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If I may be so bold, I noticed a behavior left out of your books. It is something natural horsemanship trainers have noted time and again. There is a "dawning" moment when the horse realizes this is what is being asked of him. That dawning moment is visibly seen by the horse licking his lips and chewing with the mouth slightly open or closed. (I don't think this is the popping and chewing of submissive behavior). I've heard it called "digesting a thought."

This behavior is often accompanied by an audible sigh and a much more relaxed posture, and the horse has learned. He/she now performs the requested behavior fairly reliably when asked in the same way.

Katrina Britner-Osborne

Burbank, Calif.

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Isobel's questions and Katrina's comment concern a fairly common topic. In fact, there are a bunch of e-mails about horses "digesting thoughts" piling up in my desktop file of questions for this column. Thanks for the nudge.

The lowered head, relaxed posture, licking, and chewing are part of an autonomic response when stress or pain fluctuates, or when panic or startle resolve. The first scientific description I encountered was in the field of neurophysiology. In mammals, this cluster of responses occurs when the animal is returning from predominantly sympathetic tone (fight or flight response) back to parasympathetic tone (feed or breed response). This process is also known as sympathetic attenuation. So it is seen in all sorts of situations.

The textbook example of this relief after distress is that moment after the police's flashing light and siren whizzes on by without pulling you over. You might have a little itch on the scalp or neck, have to swallow, or exhale long and hard. A more dramatic driving scenario would be spinning out on ice, where your heart rate jumps, you break into a cold sweat, and have to pull over and hold your head in your hands before regaining focus.

These are the same signs in horses, to various degrees.

When a horse is suddenly frightened, then quiets down, the head drops, there might be salivation, tongue and jaw movements, and a sigh. It does occur in all horses, feral or domestic, whenever startled by something in the environment, or after a disturbance. In domestic horses, we see it most often when evaluating video of hospitalized horses in association with episode of pain, a minor seizure, or the collapse of narcolepsy. The scenario can be reliably provoked by presenting a startling noise, then letting things quiet down.

These behaviors also can be induced by administering drugs that produce the neurochemical conditions in the brain corresponding to anxiety and panic. Some have been studied in horses. At certain blood levels, panic followed by relief responses is seen. Rapid blinking and yawning, which are signs of the related autonomic state of mild anxiety, are seen at different blood levels. So these behaviors have always seemed very physiologic--plain and simple, no thought is required.

So in the popular demonstrations in which a horse is run around a pen, then allowed to stop--I think of the same simple underlying autonomic physiology. Scare or excite the horse, then stop.

Certainly, it could also be consistent with the more complex behavioral concept of displacement behavior. This term refers to behavior occurring out of context (usually feeding behavior) in a thwarted goal or conflicted situation. The horse is motivated to escape, but is thwarted from escape and the energy is redirected to feeding motivation, which induces salivation, chewing, etc. The jaw and tongue movements relieve the energy and so attenuate the stress.

The physiologist's and behaviorist's interpretations seem much more plausible than the submission, trust, "digesting a thought," or "dawning moment" you hear about in popular horse talk. That's why some people question whether the high-pressure aspect of some "natural horsemanship" techniques are the most humane. They would say that if the horse is thinking, it's likely "I'm scared, want to get out of here now," or "Thank goodness this guy has stopped chasing me in circles so I can relax for a minute."

Years ago we studied punishment in horse training. In that context, when subjects "figured out" how to avoid the punishment, they usually showed the lowered head, lip licking, chewing, and sighing. They then responded correctly and avoided punishment, so they had learned. But they usually showed signs of anxiety and mild depression. The end of a training trial seemed like relief, "Thank goodness that's over," and they became reluctant to do the trials.

In contrast, more recently we've been doing some cognition studies using all positive reinforcement. This involves basic operant conditioning trials designed to test the ability of horses to understand a concept in relation to discriminating between various olfactory, auditory, or visual stimuli, presented two at a time. When at first the horse accidentally made the correct response, it got a food reward. If the choice was incorrect, no treat, no punishment, we just went on to the next presentation.

Each horse reached an "Ah ha!" point where they seemed to "get it," after which they made nearly 100% correct choices. They seemed more eager in their anticipation of the next presentation and more enthusiastic in their response as if they could play the game all day. And their enthusiasm for learning seemed to stay with them.

Some individuals do go through a stage of apparent frustration when early--or by chance--they have a series of incorrect choices. They might paw and turn their head back away from the stimulus presentation board as if they want to leave. When those animals finally "get it," they might show some lip licking, jaw movements, and deep exhalation, but those signs are not as strong as the situations involving fear, pain, or punishment learning paradigms.

These differences in the "dawning moments" of the punishment vs. negative reinforcement vs. all-positive reinforcement learning models--with and without a period of frustration--are very interesting.

Katrina, you didn't mention the training method in your "dawning moment," but I guess it was primarily pressure and release (negative reinforcement) as opposed to positive reinforcement. I'm becoming convinced that study of the relative effectiveness of pressure and release methods vs. positive reinforcement-based training might lead to advances in horse science and more humane training methods.

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Interesting! I've observed the same things about both natural horsemanship methods and clicker training. Kody licks and chews an awful lot but with him it's a Pavlov's Dogs sort of thing. He hears the click or gets that last bit of harness off and he just can't stop licking his lips in anticipation of that treat.
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Leia
 
I can't make heads or tails of who is saying what in this article - probably because I'm trying to read it from work and should be concentrating on other things
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Thank you for the article.... makes sense. And answers alot of questions and assumptions.
 
I went back and added my own breaks to the article (using equals signs) in hopes of making it a bit clearer. I also found this link about the author, Dr. McDonnell, for those who may be wondering "who" this expert is and what her qualifications are:

http://www3.vet.upenn.edu/labs/equinebehav...ios/smm_bio.htm

Also of interest is this article by Dr. McDonnell on breeding horses:

http://www3.vet.upenn.edu/labs/equinebehav...2/mcdonnell.htm

Syndi: If you're still interested in trying to pass something about horses being tied short for days at shows, here's an article by Dr. McDonnell on how horses sleep: http://www.all-creatures.org/nyca/ch-art-20000900.html

The article includes information on the need for REM sleep and how this is done laying down. Quoting from the article, "The minimum amount of deep (lying-down) sleep he needs is very small--perhaps an hour in many days. Still, if he doesn't get that minimum, he eventually begins to drift off into what appears to be deep sleep while standing-and buckles at the knees."
 
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I'm not sure what this topic is about, but MONTY ROBERTS - the True horse whisperer - discovered this years ago. This is the point where the horse "gets it", or relaxes and understands what you are asking.
 
Re-read the article, ruffian, and you'll see that the topic is about how the horse is actually showing signs of stress and anxiety (not relaxation) by licking and chewing, though it may also be learning to avoid the behavior that resulted in positive punishment (such as being sacked out, or forced to run in a round pen).

Sorry, but I don't believe Monty Roberts to be anywhere near the first horseman to come up with the "run 'em into the ground so they're easier to work with" theory. Mr. Roberts simply marketed it brilliantly as "horse whispering." Cesar Millan implements a similar theory with dogs (exercise-DISCIPLINE-affection) which Veterinarian Behaviorists agree results in many dogs that are stressed and submissive to the point of being shut down, not relaxed and calm as Mr. Millan implies.

If you don't know what you're looking at it can be very difficult to tell either way. Most people still think that if a dog's tail is wagging it's happy or okay with a situation, but there is so much more to it. Most of us humans rely heavily on vocalizations and aren't terribly good at reading body language, especially when it comes to other animals. If you read up a bit on animal body language (beyond what you'll find in most basic care books) and turn off the volume the next time you watch these horse or dog "whisperers," you'll find it's much easier to pick up on what's really happening.
 
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Interesting! I've observed the same things about both natural horsemanship methods and clicker training. Kody licks and chews an awful lot but with him it's a Pavlov's Dogs sort of thing. He hears the click or gets that last bit of harness off and he just can't stop licking his lips in anticipation of that treat.
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Leia
Maybe this is what Betsy (my mini mule) is doing. I had a lot of trouble getting her to let me pick up and pick out her feet. She was especially protective of the off hind, for some reason. I give her a piece of carrot when I'm done. I always do near fore, near hind, off hind, off fore. When I put down the off hind and go for the fore, she does the lick, chew. Every time. I'm not sure - is she still releasing tension (whew, I'm glad that's over!) after all these months, or does she feel like she's in the home stretch for that carrot?!
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When those animals finally "get it," they might show some lip licking, jaw movements, and deep exhalation
I still don't know what is the question or topic other than showing us the article. I have seen Mr. Roberts in action, and used his methods in my barn. Yes, there are some that claim to use those methods by running horses into the ground, but that's now how it should be done.

IMO - when a horse licks and chews, his brain is cooling off and he's taking in/understanding what I'm asking
 
Question... so this person is saying.. the horse licking and chewing after training means the horse is under stress.

So here is my question.... after having a very stressing problem go on here a few days ago.. ie.. Ella getting Attacked by a Bobcat.. Dyfra was in with her. Why did neither of them lick or chew?

If I am reading that above article right.. because of the stress they went through...they should be licking and chewing.

Which is not the case.

What I saw was stiff as a board horse and donkey,, lips held tight and stiff, wild looks in their eyes.

No licking or chewing ...no lowered heads, no softness,, nothing.

Have to say, I do not put much stock in what some "trainers" or what ever say. All they are is guessing to what they have seen.

When I work my horses,, or Donkey.. after each session..if they are relaxed.. I will have licking, chewing, soft eyes and body. They are in no way stressed.

Know my animals well enough when they are stressed or scared.
 
Shari, I believe the article was saying that horses lick and chew when pressure or another stressor is removed, not when they're stressed. It discussed a displacement theory which said horses were relieving stress or at least making it less by turning to a feeding response as a way of "blowing off steam" if you will, (the same way a stressed person might binge eat to feel better?) but they were discounting that theory in favor of the other one. My understanding was they were basically saying that the licking and chewing shouldn't even be necessary if the horse is never stressed in the first place. As you noted, your horses were not chewing when they were stressed. When they finally relax they will probably soften their jaws and start to chew and yawn. That's how you'll know they're finally unwinding. We all know that, the article is just discussing the possible scientific fine points of WHY they do that.

Leia
 
Please understand this is not pointed at anyone or meant in a grumpy way.

I know they meant after... but I saw none of that.. no licking and chewing at all. Not in the hours after,, not the next day or the next.

The stress of being attacked was relieved, so why didn't they lick and chew, like the article said they should?

Relieving any stress should of brought that about. But it didn't.
 
Shari, I imagine that's due to the intensity of being attacked. After an attack your horses weren't likely to feel safe again for some time. This article is not necessarily about signs of severe stress/anxiety in life or death situations. I'll bet there were other indicators of stress release appropriate for the situation your horses were in, although I imagine that some licking/chewing behaviors could have been exhibited and gone unnoticed due to all the excitement. I know that in dogs some indicators are so slight they are often overlooked, including the movement of the commissures, or the tongue flicking.

As far as guesswork goes... This woman studies horse behavior for a living in scientific studies which are based on far more than the average horseman's observations in uncontrolled environments.
 
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*shrug* Spyder has gone through periods of prolonged stress like your mares' attack and I can tell you he spends the entire time (which could be half a week or more sometimes) with his jaw clamped tight. He did not display a distinct moment of licking and chewing most of those times but when I'd come out and find him back to routine yawning and chewing I knew he felt better. I'm guessing there's some sort of difference between short periods of intense stress with a clear ending and prolonged periods of "My whole world has been turned upside down, I can never feel safe again."
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I know one of those times Spyder'd been tense for months (this was during his period of traumatic flashbacks) and yet when Vita came out and helped him work through it in one session he started almost compulsively yawning and licking and chewing as his whole body relaxed. It was really amazing to see the difference between "I've learned to live with the constant tension and almost think it's normal" and "I have really and truly relaxed."

Leia
 
Steven Hawking's is a great scientist...but it doesn't always make him right.

It very well can be that different breeds show things in different ways. I know many people find Icelandic's much harder to read than some other breeds.

Believe me...there was no licking and chewing.

As for stress ...there is no way to get around it, is a part of life. If my animals are truely stressed, they do not lick and chew. They have hard mouths, purshed lips and so on.

Dyfra is over reactive to everything... except those things I have taught her that are ok..safe. If you place a new thing...anything in the pasture..instead of being curious like my other's.. she will be afraid and panic stressed for weeks. Will take me working with her to get over it. She doesn't lick and chew until I have worked with her for days or months..however long it takes to work at her speed and when...and only when she feels safe...will she lick and chew.

But I can't keep her in a padded stall to keep her from being stressed. I may of read that article wrong or maybe in a bit of a different context.

Have had Maggie a long time, Theia her who life, Dyfra since she was 4 years old....and so on. Have worked with them enough over the years to know when they are relaxing and when they are truely stressed and the types of face movement or lack there of for both. Have always read animals much better,,, than trying to talk to humans. Just the way I am wired...

Dyfra Yawns... when she thinks we are not fast enough with her food.

Maggie Shakes her head ...when she wants me to hurry up because she thinks I am going to slow getting the harness or what ever on her. She just wants to go out and have fun.

One reason...why I do not think all horse's react the same with each siusituation. Just like people..no two are a like.

Just like hearing of one lady in the UK...trying to ban the use of all whips. That includes for those who drive. I do not know her reasoning but it is not based on all the facts.
 
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I'm not sure what this topic is about, but MONTY ROBERTS - the True horse whisperer - discovered this years ago. This is the point where the horse "gets it", or relaxes and understands what you are asking
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Monty Roberts is NOT the "true Horse Whisperer" - except in his marketing and self-promotion. He did not "discover" the "chewing on the thought" as I call it. He is not the only one who understand the language of Equus - as he claims (what an ego!). The man is all about self-promotion and that is all. I have seen two of his demos that were appalling examples of horsemanship - bordering on cruelty - and have seen first-hand how he chose to use a well-trained horse for a trailer-loading demo - and when my friend said - but he loads himself already!! - the Self-Styled Great Horse Whisperer smirked and said - ah - but the crowd will not know that....

And sure enough they oooohed and aaaahed when the Great horse Whisperer loaded that "crazy horse" (his words) with ease. Did I say Fraud yet?

The Horse Whisperer book/movie was not even inspired by Monty Roberts as he has always claimed - and the author denied - but by Buck Brannaman. But don't let the vast marketing machine get in the way of facts...

Sorry - Mr. Roberts tends to get me a bit annoyed. I'll take a deep breath and settle down...
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As for stress ...there is no way to get around it, is a part of life. If my animals are truely stressed, they do not lick and chew. They have hard mouths, pursed lips and so on.
Exactly right, Shari. That has also been my experience.

As far as "chewing on the thought" goes (just my words for it) - I have always seen it not as a stress indicator - but a stress remover - sort of an Oh Now I Get It moment... when the horse is processing what is being asked of him/her and understanding/relaxing. A tense mouth with tight lips - and furrows between his nostrils - are a sign of suspicion/confusion/anxiety... releasing that - and showing the subsequent licking , chewing and relaxing of the lips.... is a step in the process of understanding. I probably did not explain that very well. But that is similar to what respected horsemen such as Tom Dorrance - and many others who are lesser known but still 10 times the horseman that Certain Others claim to be.... use as indicators...
 
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That is what I have thought of Licking and Chewing, Tagalong. ...the "Oh" I get it.

Not that... I'm stressed.
 
The article never said that they lick and chew "during" stress. It stated as tagalong states, and mininik states. It is when pressure and stress is "over" that this response happens.

And Tagalong....THANK YOU for the Monty Roberts statements. I totally agree and have been to a couple of his demos and I totally agree with you. I can not stand this man professing to be a horse whisperer....He is far from it, in my mind.
 
I have thought about this same topic for a long time. Heres just my own little theory that means absolutely nothing LOL

I have always thought it was a blend of the two. Stress relief and the "hmm i think I understand now"

I have observed my horses lick and chew when not being trained. The other day I observed one of the yearling fillies doing it after being reprimanded by one of the older mares. So to me it was a bit of "yikes im stressed" followed by "hmmm I better not do that anymore"

Dont even get me started on Monty Roberts. I unfortunately watched one of his clinics 2 years ago and honestly it was appalling.
 

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