More lies from McCain

[Danielle_E.]

More lies and insults from McCain and you want to elect this guy?

At least if he got his facts straight, I guess that is why many that endorse him don't get their facts straight either, it's the Pied Piper leading and you follow without question. I would say to you read the link but I know many of you will find some excuse saying because I am Canadian, blah blah blah. You just might get educated on truths in other countries.

Just maybe if you took the greed out of your health care system or lack thereof people like dear Bonnie (Fogg) wouldn't be looking at perhaps losing her home, etc. Some of the wasted tax dollars used in a war that was based on lies, or bailing out big CEOs, etc. would be better spent helping your own, through no fault of their own, end up in Bonnie's situation. Stop the insanity. You really have your priorities messed up.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/1/72/25457.html

 

[wildoak]

I obviously don't live in Canada - or England - but I have heard more complaints than praise over both healthcare systems from people who do. Long waits for critical procedures, denials of non-critical operations (non-critical in whose opinion??), less quality care, etc. The price is right, absolutely, but that comes at a cost. The US has to do something about our healthcare system. It is abysmal, I don't think anyone can argue with that. But a nationalized system is not the answer in my opinion. After all, the government does such a wonderful job of managing what it already manages.....

I will vote for McCain because I think he won't do our country harm. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but he is light years ahead of Obama. This man, I think, if elected will lead us in a dangerous direction. BTW, I did read the link.

Jan

 

[Danielle_E.]

Being as I live in Canada I think I would know that the statement "long waits for critical care" is absolutely UNTRUE. If you go to the emergency room for lets say a child with the flu or cold or perhaps strepthroat, yes you are going to wait in the waiting room and rightfully so if others come in with true "emergencies" that need to be looked at immediately. The problem is that people use the emergency rooms for non-emergencies when they should either be going to their family physician and if they don't have one they need to go to the many clinics and not clog-up the emergency rooms at hospitals.

 

[Danielle_E.]

This was written by am American in 2004. At least some of you "get it"

http://www.lannigan.org/american_healthcare_crisis.htm

 

[Charley]

Nevermind....

 

[CLC Stables]

My opinion always has been if you don't vote you have no right to complain.

Well you can't vote for him so DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT

 

[Danielle_E.]

http://dsp-psd.tpsgc.gc.ca/Collection-R/Lo.../BP/bp300-e.htm

 

[Danielle_E.]

Thanks Mary Lou. We all know in Canada that our system does have it's limits and share of problems but the one thing we do know is that nobody is going to lose their home or go bankrupt because of high medical bills. He really needs to be factual and he's not being factual and it's not just this issue, it's many over the extent of his campaign. Now I understand why you (Americans) think that the healthcare in Canada and in England (Europe) are apparently so awful because you are fed half-truths and lies.

What about the cost of presciptions? I don't have the answer to this, hence the reason I am asking... Why do you in the U.S. seem to pay so much more for your prescriptions???? than we do in Canada. I am not talking about any subsidies here, I am talking about when either an American or Canadian go directly tot he pharmacist/drug store to get their prescription filled.

 

[minimama]

Also McCain was keynote speaker at Acorn rally in March of 2006
BUT the real fact is all those bad vote fraud papers are not really votes.. Never could be votes... It was just people trying to make money for work they did not do..

Everything gets so blown up to make Obama look bad.. It is dirty politics indeed.. thanks to Palin/McCain..

Ok, really now, WHO is blowing things up to make WHO look bad? I mean really now, how many unnecessary posts has Danielle posted. Ridiculous links to irrelevant items of no interest. And, things that if you just go check Snopes, you can see are untruths. And, the fact that these come from someone in another country is just insane. Go fix your own country before you constantly and consistently put ours down and think you have all the answers to something that is not even your issue. Do you not have anything better to do with your time? Don't you have horses or children to go take care of. Seriously! People in this country have a brain and do not need anyone from another country to figure out how to vote and who to vote for. McCain or Obama, either way, we can certainly figure out our own thoughts and feelings without you constantly sticking your nose in this.

 

[bingo]

Also McCain was keynote speaker at Acorn rally in March of 2006
BUT the real fact is all those bad vote fraud papers are not really votes.. Never could be votes... It was just people trying to make money for work they did not do..

Everything gets so blown up to make Obama look bad.. It is dirty politics indeed.. thanks to Palin/McCain..

Ok, really now, WHO is blowing things up to make WHO look bad? I mean really now, how many unnecessary posts has Danielle posted. Ridiculous links to irrelevant items of no interest. And, things that if you just go check Snopes, you can see are untruths. And, the fact that these come from someone in another country is just insane. Go fix your own country before you constantly and consistently put ours down and think you have all the answers to something that is not even your issue. Do you not have anything better to do with your time? Don't you have horses or children to go take care of. Seriously! People in this country have a brain and do not need anyone from another country to figure out how to vote and who to vote for. McCain or Obama, either way, we can certainly figure out our own thoughts and feelings without you constantly sticking your nose in this.

Wow to quote Mary Lou and then rant about her being in Canada when she is allowing you and others to post all of this dribble on a message board she runs. I am not even sure I have the words

I just can not wait until this election is over and I hope that there has not been to much damage done on this forum with all of the tit for tat going on. Thank goodness we have the holidays to look forward to

 

[littlesteppers]

Wellll...there..Praise the LORD..we ALL can vote and some are actually well informed..Not just going by websites..I have been following this circus from the beginning..and IF I hear I lie..or a inconsistancy I KNOW it..

I am just so glad that Obambi finally cleared up he was not born in a manger last night..had me worried..

 

[Danielle_E.]

Bingo, don't worry about the comment above towards me. I am exercising my right to post my views on a subject that was brought up during the debate and who one of the Presidential candidates mentioned "CANADA" That is where I live and believe I have first hand knowledge of the subject.

My thread has to do with one of your Presidential candidates who I am pointing out is NOT being truthful about healthcare in Canada. Sorry if you don't like that but it's the truth! He also mentioned Britain which I agree I do not know first hand about. I guess I am pretty tired of hearing rants against our health care system from those that basically don't even have a system per say and who allow people to lose their homes and go bankrupt over huge medical costs. The only people getting rich in this is your insurance companies!!!!! That is what I am saying so for McCain to poopoo our system when he has no clue and no first hand knowledge is perpertuating myths that you are buying into. As I said to Mary Lou after she posted, our system isn't perfect, never said it is . I apologize to those of you who would rather continue believing what McCain insinuated about Canada's healthcare. Keep beliveing than if you want

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I had no idea this thread was about ACORN

or whatever else the above poster mentioned

. If you aren't happy don't read what I write, it's easy put me on "ignore" then you won't see what I am writting and you can stop attacking me. You know what is sad if it was the other candidate, Obama, saying these things I would be posting my point of view as strongly against him. For some reason you think this is about me being against McCain

JUST STOP THE LIES, in the campaing, in here, whoever does it, whatever side. I know you aren't going to understand what I said and think I am endorsing one side - I give up. Read whatever you want into it, attack me if you want. Nothing is going to surprise me anymore.

 

[littlesteppers]

 

[Danielle_E.]

 

[minimama]

Bingo, Mary-Lou will not boot me off the forum simply because I have a difference of opinion nor because I feel that her opinion in this particular matter is irrelevant. She is good like that.

However, allow me to put this another way. One that maybe will clear it up a bit why I feel the way I do.

Most of us on this forum raise horses. We have barns. I raise my horses and do quite well with them. All are healthy and happy little fur critters. But, I might want to come visit your barn and see your horses. Now, when I walk into your barn and see you doing something that I would never do, do you think it is ok for me to tell you you should not do it and it is wrong just because I do not do it. No,of course not. it would be disrepectful of me to do something like that. To go into another persons barn and tell them how to take care of their horses would be way out of line. Same with children, for me to walk into your home and tell you how to raise your children would be extremely disprespectful and totally uncalled for. how am I going to know why you do what you do with yoru horses or your children to even begin to tell you to do otherwise? Wow, the nerve of me! As a human being I have to understand that there are different ways to do the same job, different views on the same job and that each person has the right to pick what works best for them. So, this is my barn, my choice, my decisions, and for someone from anothe rbarn to walk in and tell me how to do things is beign disrespectful. I will not tell you how to vote in your elections, nor will I critisize you for your choices but those of us in the US that do not agree with Danielle are being attacked mulitple time each day by her posts and put downs as to our choices simply because we do not agree with her way to run the barn. It is getting beyond old!

 

[Danielle_E.]

am I telling you to do something different????? I am saying that McCain is not being truthful about his assessment of the Canadian healthcare system and perhaps British. It is NOT inferior, it is different, and different problems appear here than appears in your system. No systems are perfect or the best or whatever. For him to look down at other systems when your systems has some major problems is insulting. Is this difficult to understand what I am saying??????

Going to go hyperventilate now

 

[bingo]

Minimama I agree with you totally. Your example of what you do with your horses vs others is a great one. I am not disagreeing with that. I think many have said my way to run a barn is the only way. *again that was a wonderful example*

I simply felt it was not nice to tell anyone their opinion does not matter simply due to the fact it differs from yours.

I am glad ML has thick skin though that is why she is so good at what she does

I think many hurtful things have been said in the heat of the moment about this election. I for one can not wait until we can get back to pre election threads!

I do apologize Minimama for attempting to fight a battle for ML*when she did not even see a battle* that was not my place and I was wrong. I am truly sorry for that.

 

[minimama]

By the way, just for the record, I agree with you Danielle, for what it's worth. No healthcare system is perfect. They all need improving. But it is all a very overwhelming task when you look at all that needs to be changed. I would like to see who ever gets votted in do SOMETHING to improve it in some way.

 

[tagalong]

Ok, really now, WHO is blowing things up to make WHO look bad? I mean really now, how many unnecessary posts has Danielle posted. Ridiculous links to irrelevant items of no interest. And, things that if you just go check Snopes, you can see are untruths

minimama - that is very true. However, you must have noted by now that the truth or facts are not important to some in these threads. You can quote snopes or politifacts or factcheck all you like - and they just roll their eyes and/or sneer. Facts seem to be an inconvenient drag...

That still astounds me - that even in the face of whatever story being disproved - some will still cling to said tale because they "know" it is true.

The same thing happens on another forum even with McCain allegations. I show them the proof... the links... and they don't care - because they "know" all there is to know and if The Truth does not mesh with Their Truth, too bad. Mmmmkay.

Some seem to love to start endless threads with yet another "revelation" they have unearthed... of late many of them simply move down the pages without a reply - it seems that people get tired of the constant poking and prodding.

The viral emails that circulate DO need to get examined, though. People seem to believe them at face value when they are usually designed to mislead and spread fear... good thing they are easy to check.

I prefer the discussions and trying to sort through the issues - not the threads that are misleading and seek to stir the pot... kind of like an LB viral email.

Danielle - and others... you can check out the spin BOTH candidates used in the last debate....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-...bate_no_3.html

*waits for the inevitable eyerolls*

 

[LowriseMinis]

And why does everyone keep picking on poor Canada? They aren't the only country that has nationalized health care, as I pointed out IN LENGTH in another post.

Basically every other modernized country in the world offers it EXCEPT us.