lucky lodge
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lucky lodge
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~Dan
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How old is he??? If this was his first breeding, then chances are, he has no idea what hes doing, he knows what hes supposed to be doing, but not how to do it. I would talk to breeders in your area, and ask them for their advice. Best of luck.
Dan
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yellerroseintx
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you know..I can only speak for my 3 boys ..but they are all 3 very different...one likes to softly nicker and love all over a mare....maybe stop and eat together a bit..even scratch withers...then he politely does his job.....my second stallion greets a mare screaming...on 5 legs ( if you get my meaning)
and wham bam thank you ma'am, then ignores her....my last boy does not like to be watched or rushed..he is all business and will do things in his own time....I think he is the only one who really knows just when a mare is ready and doesn't waste his time untill she is...he wants nothing much to do with them before and after....oh, and it is not a drawn out event..pretty quick..they are basically out for themselves...hhhmmm..reminds me of my youth..oh wait..off subject..
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I would suggest finding a breeder in your area who can help you out. It's best to learn what you are doing before you just try doing it... especially with horses.
You and/or your horses could get seriously injured.
Good luck,
Andrea
You and/or your horses could get seriously injured.
Good luck,
Andrea
lucky lodge
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lucky lodge
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does anyone no how long he should mount her for he did it in 20 seconds
weerunner
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20 seconds is about right if they have everything where it should be (if you know what I mean). The stallion will indicate he is ejaculating by flaggin his tail up and down and doesn't thrust as much at this time. this is how you know the deed is being down properly. I'm thinking he got the job down right. Also the mare will usually try to 'spit' out any excess semen after breeding, so you should she that happening afterwards.
Just a word of advise, I bred my stallion when he was 2 and did not get any foals, bred him again at 3 and finally got a foal. So even though everything is being done correctly he may not get the mare in foal if his semen is not mature enough. That being said there are plenty of 2 year olds that are mature enough. It's a individual thing. My boy is 5 now and has no problem at all getting my broodmares in foal and also seems to 'know' a little better now when they are ready.
Just a word of advise, I bred my stallion when he was 2 and did not get any foals, bred him again at 3 and finally got a foal. So even though everything is being done correctly he may not get the mare in foal if his semen is not mature enough. That being said there are plenty of 2 year olds that are mature enough. It's a individual thing. My boy is 5 now and has no problem at all getting my broodmares in foal and also seems to 'know' a little better now when they are ready.
Its usually pretty fast
I have was told years ago if they have a bell shape when they withdraw then they completed the breeding.
I will not allow my stallions to mount a mare unless they are ready. Some will try to mount before they are down and that is just silly and common with young stallions.
Many breed every other day during the cycle. I mostly pasture breed so they are out together the entire cycle.
I will not allow my stallions to mount a mare unless they are ready. Some will try to mount before they are down and that is just silly and common with young stallions.
Many breed every other day during the cycle. I mostly pasture breed so they are out together the entire cycle.
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loveminis
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The way you worded your topic it sounds more like a sex act that trying to successfully breed your stallion to your mare.
I think you need to learn the "horse" language and educate yourself about breeding before you try again. I find it hard to take you seriously.
I think you need to learn the "horse" language and educate yourself about breeding before you try again. I find it hard to take you seriously.
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Horse Feathers
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Come on this person is looking for help, not flaming. They where asking a real question and did not word it right.
alphahorses
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oops..
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luv2ridesaddleseat
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I first thought it was a scammer. Sheesh.
alphahorses
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sorry, was having trouble .. trying again
I thought from the title of the post that you meant you had clipped him for the first time
Some might find the term "shag" a little offensive, or at least unprofessional, so just a friendly suggestion that you do use different terms.
But anyway ... you're saying that he covered or bred a mare for the first time and you have some questions...
First, it is true as someone said that a young stallion often is not successful in getting mares pregnant. Some of this will be due to inexperience, and some due to lower sperm count. We successfully bred mares when my stallion was 2, but his lack of experience meant that they did not get bred during their first cycle.
okay..
If you pasture breed, then you can just let nature take it's course and record the days you see her in cycle. When both are ready and mature enougn, it will happen. If both are mature enough and the mare doesn't catch, then it's time to get a vet involved. Might not happen for a 2 yr old stallion.
I personally do not pasture breed. To hand breed, I tie the mare, lead the stallion up to her, let him tease a bit, and see if she is FULLY receptive. Don't RAPE your mare by forcing her to be bred before she is receptive! An older experienced stallion probably won't cover her anyway when she is not receptive, but some will mount anything that doesn't move. If she is not ready, she won't catch anyway (most mares are in heat for as long as 5 days before they ovulate) and you or the stallion could get kicked not to mention the potential for damage to your mare.
Since you are inexperienced, get some help and have someone else hold the mare while you take care of the stallion. When and only when he is fully erect do I allow him to mount. With an inexperienced stallion you may need to help him enter. If he is a lot smaller than the mare, you may have to help him stay on or position the mare so she is standing downhill from him. He will visibly relax when he is finished. Mine literally almost falls asleep on top of the mare and I have to pull him off!
We breed every other day starting on day 3 or day 4. No need to breed more often as sperm lives up to 48 hours. Many of my mares whose cycles I know really well, only are covered once and we have almost 100% conception rate on them.
I agree with everyone who said you should really get advice from a local breeder. There are some things that you just don't learn by reading.
I thought from the title of the post that you meant you had clipped him for the first time
But anyway ... you're saying that he covered or bred a mare for the first time and you have some questions...
First, it is true as someone said that a young stallion often is not successful in getting mares pregnant. Some of this will be due to inexperience, and some due to lower sperm count. We successfully bred mares when my stallion was 2, but his lack of experience meant that they did not get bred during their first cycle.
okay..
If you pasture breed, then you can just let nature take it's course and record the days you see her in cycle. When both are ready and mature enougn, it will happen. If both are mature enough and the mare doesn't catch, then it's time to get a vet involved. Might not happen for a 2 yr old stallion.
I personally do not pasture breed. To hand breed, I tie the mare, lead the stallion up to her, let him tease a bit, and see if she is FULLY receptive. Don't RAPE your mare by forcing her to be bred before she is receptive! An older experienced stallion probably won't cover her anyway when she is not receptive, but some will mount anything that doesn't move. If she is not ready, she won't catch anyway (most mares are in heat for as long as 5 days before they ovulate) and you or the stallion could get kicked not to mention the potential for damage to your mare.
Since you are inexperienced, get some help and have someone else hold the mare while you take care of the stallion. When and only when he is fully erect do I allow him to mount. With an inexperienced stallion you may need to help him enter. If he is a lot smaller than the mare, you may have to help him stay on or position the mare so she is standing downhill from him. He will visibly relax when he is finished. Mine literally almost falls asleep on top of the mare and I have to pull him off!
We breed every other day starting on day 3 or day 4. No need to breed more often as sperm lives up to 48 hours. Many of my mares whose cycles I know really well, only are covered once and we have almost 100% conception rate on them.
I agree with everyone who said you should really get advice from a local breeder. There are some things that you just don't learn by reading.
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loveminis
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I am not "flaming". Just stating the facts.
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rabbitsfizz
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Yes, actually, I agree.
This is a family board, after all, and we tap dance around trying to find acceptable terms for just about everything then get a totally unacceptable term used in a thread title!
PLEASE, even if you do not know the correct terminology, try to use an acceptable one, as you surely know that the one you used is not acceptable?
I am not flaming you, just saying, in as nice a way as possible, that I too thought you were a troll, as that is inflammatory language you were using in your first few posts.
You do not get an immediate answer here, people will read the first post and, if they do not think they can answer, maybe wait for someone who can.
I read the thread title, read the first post and, frankly, I was offended!
And believe me it takes a bit to offend me!
You do need to find someone near you who does know what they are doing, as you obviously do not and, to put it in words of one syllable, if you do not know what you are doing at this end of the game, how are you going to cope when the mare foals??????? (OK, there were a couple of words with two syllables, there, but I am not doubting your intelligence!)
This is a family board, after all, and we tap dance around trying to find acceptable terms for just about everything then get a totally unacceptable term used in a thread title!
PLEASE, even if you do not know the correct terminology, try to use an acceptable one, as you surely know that the one you used is not acceptable?
I am not flaming you, just saying, in as nice a way as possible, that I too thought you were a troll, as that is inflammatory language you were using in your first few posts.
You do not get an immediate answer here, people will read the first post and, if they do not think they can answer, maybe wait for someone who can.
I read the thread title, read the first post and, frankly, I was offended!
And believe me it takes a bit to offend me!
You do need to find someone near you who does know what they are doing, as you obviously do not and, to put it in words of one syllable, if you do not know what you are doing at this end of the game, how are you going to cope when the mare foals??????? (OK, there were a couple of words with two syllables, there, but I am not doubting your intelligence!)
Horse Feathers
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Lucky Lodge,
It's a sad thing when someone asks a question and all they get back is criticism of how they asked. There are many on this board that are sincerely willing to help and give wonderful and well explained advice. Then there are those that just HAVE to critique you and the words you write--as if they somehow know you from the few words you write. Ignore the way they answer--the world is full of those kind of people. But, if in their critique, they do give you some advice, forget the tone they write with, and absorb the information They may actually have great advice, but they just HAVE to be "better" than you somehow. Personally, if the Moderators didn't take down your question and statements, then I don't see where others should feel the need to be rude.
Ignoring the critiquers, you have gotten some good advice, and hopefully you'll get even more.
***this is where I get flamed!
