Need color help please

[dreammountainminis]

PLease help me with this filly's color dam is black and white and sire is registered as blue roan but i have been told he is grey . I need to get her registration papers sent in and want everything to be correct she appears to also have a doral stripe.. I also own a half brother same sire and he is lwo positive and homozygous for black if that helps..

 

[Ashley]

Regisure her as black and in the markings put "may change color" she is a black based but is greying out. I dont know if they will let you registure her as grey tho.

 

[heart k ranch]

I don't think she's a blue roan, I think she'll gray out.....

what ashley said.....

 

[rabbitsfizz]

She is Grey.

 

[ontherisefarm]

I agree that she is grey.... It is kinda a pain when horses get registered or advertised as roan when in fact they are grey... Totally different colors. Especially if you were really wanting the roan and ended up going to see a grey instead....

Colors can be so challenging if you are not sure or are new to horses or minis.

 

[FoRebel]

I'd register her as a grey.

 

[maestoso]

Roans always have the darker heads and legs, this mare has neither. She is grey.

 

[dreammountainminis]

I would also like to add maybe this will help the sire to this filly is also lwo positive and is positive for sabino ,I own a half brother that is lwo and sabino..I own the mare and she appears to carry sabino also thou I havent had her tested yet ,,so in you'r opinion you would register her as black but may change color.What about grullo??????

 

[MiniHoofBeats]

I'm going to be the outsider...I say register her as a blue roan, that may grey out. Everyone please note this filly is freshly clipped - her darker points could easily have been clipped down and as her coat grows back out her points will darken again. Her dorsal is what is prominent to me, she absolutely is not just black or just grey. Her head in the first photo you can see is obviously darker than her body so I do believe her legs would be also if not freshly clipped!

Blue roan that may grey.

 

[dreammountainminis]

Yes she was freshly clipped I took these photos about ten minutes after i was done clipping her ...all four legs were black up to the knee possiably a little higher than her knee and she had a darker color head and black points on her ears till clipped..thank you everyone for your help..

 

[Ashley]

She is still a gray. Most of the time they will not registure her as a gray since she is so dark and not looking grey. that is why I say black and then may change color. That way when she is perminiate you or who ever owns her can easily change her to grey with no hassels.

Some of my black/gray foals have had dorsel strips. If she were a blue roan she would still clip out with black head and legs. They might be light grey but you would defenitaly beable to tell the differeance between a blue roan and a grey.

I would bet money on her being a grey that is how positive i am.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Clipped Roans still have a darker head and legs.

She is definitely Grey.

 

[dreammountainminis]

Okay I am confused

: so I put on her reg app. black may grey out ????Let me see if I understand this part a blue roan and a grey are both black based and a roan will always have a darker head and legs than a grey..In a way she is going to be like a percheron born black but changes to white ,dapple or grey over a period of time..I have raised big horses since I was six years old but never had the confusion with the coat colors like with the minis I have had minis now for almost four years and am still learning...

One thing I do know is for now she will be easier to keep clean to show than my overos...I still have not found anything that will remove those grass spots from my white horses lol. And it seems like they look at you laugh and run for the first speck of dirt when you have them ready for thier class....gotta love em..

 

[Lewella]

I'm going to be the outsider...I say register her as a blue roan, that may grey out. Everyone please note this filly is freshly clipped - her darker points could easily have been clipped down and as her coat grows back out her points will darken again. Her dorsal is what is prominent to me, she absolutely is not just black or just grey. Her head in the first photo you can see is obviously darker than her body so I do believe her legs would be also if not freshly clipped!

Blue roan that may grey.

Whoa nellie! This horse is ABOLUTELY POSIVIVELY NOT A BLUE ROAN! Blue roan's points have distinct characteristics - most importantly are the roan "pointies" - inverted V's of distinct dark color contrasting heavily with the ligher roan body. The hair on the pointies is a different texture than the body hair and DOES NOT clip off lighter or grayish looking - it stays black.

It would be a travesty for this horse to be registered as anything but gray. It is a black going gray as the first half a dozen posters clearly pointed out. If she is AMHR they will have no problem at all with registering her as a gray. Just put gray down as the color.

It is PERFECTLY NORMAL for a gray horse to have a dorsal. Different hair textures gray at different rates and the hair on the dorsal is a different texture than the body hair. The dorsal too will eventually fade to white. False leg bars may even develop briefly as part of the graying process. This is perfectly normal.

A blue roan is a black horse with a TRUE ROAN gene. This horse will not fade with age. It will change colors seasonally - lightest in spring, darkest (almost solid looking sometimes) in winter. This seasonal change is why they were often called 4 Season Roans. True Roan is a simple dominant - a true roan horse must have a true roan parent.

A gray horse can be ANY BASE COLOR. Think of gray more as a condition than a color per se. Gray is a condition that removes the pigment from the hair gradually over time. A cremello can go gray, a black can go gray, a palmino can go gray - any color can go gray! Gray is a simple dominant - a gray hrose must have a gray parent.

A grulla is a black horse with the DUN dilution. The dun dilution is a simple dominant - a dun dilute must have a dun dilute parent.

 

[Ashley]

It would be a travesty for this horse to be registered as anything but gray. It is a black going gray as the first half a dozen posters clearly pointed out. If she is AMHR they will have no problem at all with registering her as a gray. Just put gray down as the color

Now, Lewella normally I wouldnt argue with you but AMHR is the one that gives me the head aches on the whole gray thing. Thankfully we havent had any grey foals in awhile