Need to make a desicion

[Crossbuck Farms]

I see nothing wrong with an unregistered stallion. That's just my opinion. I'm not looking to fight. But just because it's not registered does not mean you cannot breed it. I have a really good friend who has unregistered stock and sells and breeds every year. She has 1 stud and 2 mares.

 

[JMS Miniatures]

Just because he isn't papered doesn't mean its ok to use him for breeding, and because they just want a horse no matter how it looks like. If they want to do that than I strongly encourage them to buy some unregistered horses (since they don't care it seems like) and just have fun with them. You can find nice unregistered horses pretty cheap, but IMO its not safe to breed just any old horse.

 

[MountainViewMiniatures]

Hi Leeana

Truthfully, if it was me I ask for the filly and the $100 especially if he is broke to ride very well as you say- they can only say no and if they do then you can do an even trade if you wish. It never hurts to ask!

Merry Christmas!

 

[New_Image]

Ok First of all, If Striker isnt registered he should be gelded before he goes... 300 dollars for an unregistered horse....take it and run!

I agree to gelding him, I am sure to make it a point if I come across a stallion Im training for re sell and he is not registered and anything less then wonderful I geld him. Tooooo many studs on the market. Your price on him will need to go up $100 from gelding cost BUT you'll get more for a gelding. And you cant list a stud as a kids horse, he is a boy and boys will be boys and you get a bad name. You can say he has been around kids and would make a very nice kid safe gelding, however.

However I couldnt dissagree more on the '300 dollars for an unregistered horse....take it and run' Leeana, do NOT sell yourself short.

This bugs me when comments like this are made, why is a unregistered horse so dang worthless to some people? Let me tell you I have made MORE selling un registered geldings then I have selling registered anythings. All of these unregistered horses selling for over $1,000 to kids who adore them.

My advice? Take him off the market until spring. Have him gelded. Work as much as you can with ridding and driving, train him some tricks, kids love a pony that shakes a hoof! Desensitize him to tarps, cars, water, bags, people running and flapping their arms, make sure he stands tied quiet, picks up his feet and can be touched any where on his body even walked under his belly and pulling his tail, nose and ears. List him for sale this spring as a GELDING and you shouldnt have a problem getting double what your asking now.

 

[Marty]

Hello Leanna.

I would like you to just please stop.

Please just stop and take some time to breathe.

And then think.

You are confused again.

You are missing a valid point here Leanna.

People are trying to tell you that they don't like you breeding an unregistered stallion, or selling an unregistered stallion because then they will breed him, leaving yet more unregistered foals out there that nobody wants.

Do you get that Leanna.

Read it again.

I like geldings but I'm not obecssed with gelding every stallion around. I do like stallions very much. But I am concerned about breeding unregistered horses because they land in public autions a lot faster then registered ones do and we do not want that now do we?

If you keep the horse fine. Whatever. But if you sell him, geld him first and then up the price accordingly.

Leanna, did you also read what Kay Kay wrote?

Did you read that?

Or did you skim over her post?

Please.

Go back and read her offer.

IF you don't take her up on it, I will.

Silly girl. ((((( ))))

 

[onlyminis]

Ok, you bought this guy at Sugarcreek right? To save him from a meat buyer? How many horses were there JUST that day that you bought him? How many DID go with the meat buyers? A lot, right? Usually the minis don't go to meat but some do, and the reason they do is that there are just SO MANY unregistered ones out there, they get DUMPED weekly at that sale. Sugarcreek is a HORRIBLE SALE, it is more a dumping ground than a horse sale, the average horse DOES go for meat price.

So the best thing you can do for this boy is geld him, he will be happier and MUCH safer for future owners.

He may be the best little stallion behaviour wise that there is but all it takes is one time, one moment and a child can be KILLED by a stallion of any size. One mare in heat going by, one moment of not paying attention, thats all it takes.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE stallions and own quite a few of them, but I also know that I ALWAYS have to be on my toes with them. My nieces are NOT allowed around them when they visit, all it would take is one moment of someone not paying attention to have a horrible tragedy happen.

If you knowingly sell a stallion into a situation as a childs pet and represent it as child safe you CAN be held responsible.

Yes, gelding will cost you a bit now but as new image said a well trained gelding can and will bring better money than an unregistered stallion.

BTW, I'm not just saying this to you, this is my advice to all, and when I have buyers new to horses I always suggest fillies/mares or geldings as first horses and explain the differences in personalities of all of them.

Also listen to Marty, take a deep breath and think about it.

KJ

 

[Jill]

Oh, that unregistered stallion really, really should be gelded. That's something you can do to give him a chance at a better life. I've gelded stallion quality, registered, successful show stallions and do not regret it and see first hand, it made these horses' lives happier. These horses are trained to the 9's and gentle, but I still would not have let children handle them let alone hold them out as child safe and anyone who knows these horses, Derby & Lonesome, knows how nice they are inside and outside. I feel it's irresponsible and an uneccessary "hardship" to keep an unregistered, average quality, horse a stallion. What good reason is there in that, when you can find stallion quality stallions for not a lot these days?

 

[yankee_minis]

Well, I understand your indecision. I had a nice unregisterd colt that would probably make an excellent herd sire, but sold him. I cried when he left. They gelded him and he's a pet.

But I agonized over what to do with him. And I did it here on the forum! LOL

There is a market in my area for pet quality minis. And $300 is way too low. Someone offered me $500 for what I considered a nice triple registered horse that was broke to drive. I said no. There was just too much nice about him and, for me, that price was too low.

You have to consider what you want. Afterall, he is your horse.

Personally, I like the idea of a trade. But take care what you get. Sometimes people are trying to get rid of something. But sometimes their "trash" is your "treasure" and vice versa! Both parties could be thrilled!

And you get to hug the new horse! Hugging a personal check just doesn't give me a warm fuzzy! LOL

Your gelding cost is half what it costs here, btw!

 

[Field-of-Dreams]

I agree.

Leeana, PLEASE geld this horse. He is unregistered. He should NOT be a stallion. Its GREAT that you don't mind that he is unregistered, but the majority of people out there do care. 450 or so sounds good for an unregistered GELDING.

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$450 for an unregistered gelding sounds great- I can't even get $500 for a registered MARE, let alone a boy. I must be in the wrong state.... and she is a pretty good looking mare, too.

Lucy

 

[capall beag]

At the end of the day this is your decision.

IMO a simple one, do you need to sell a horse to cut back, get some money etc then don't trade because you have not done what you set out to do.

I, personally, think the trade sounds a bit too good to be true and would be worried that what I was getting was not exactly what I thought.

I, personally, don't like trading my animals. It just seems second best for my horse to 'swap' them for something else?

I would find out why they are selling this filly and what they are hoping for in return???

Not many 'horse savy' people would trade a registered taller young mare for a young, smaller, unregistered stallion for their kids to ride. I would worry that he may not be what they really want/need and so he may end up getting bounced to another home.

To me, this doesn't sound like the ideal situation for your horse and therefore I would turn it down.

Certainly, if he is gentle enough for leadline as a stallion, it would seem as a gelding he would make a wonderful little leadline guy and if marketed correctly could bring more $$ and a much more suitable home, this would be a win/win situation!!

You seem like a person who thinks as they write and sometimes after they write

(takes one to know one

) but I am sure you have your horses best interests at heart as you came on here looking for advice.

Take it slow and you will make a better decision and one that you are comfortable with, Do you think this is best for your horse??? Figure this out and then decide!

Of course, JMHO

 

[Lauralee]

Leanna

I wish you lived near me. I'd have a job for you working with my horses. You sound like a bright and inquisitive and thoughtful person who likes to share.

Like the others said, at the end of the day, it is still your decision. But I am selling REGISTERED colts this year for less than you've been offered so I'd probably say you're better off taking the money offered.

 

[Leeana]

GOOD NEWS:

Striker was sold to a nice family in Youngstown today. She wanted to see Rocky and Striker so we took both. She and her daughter fell in love with Striker, Rocky wasnt what they were looking for. She and i had a LONG talk about gelding him. Well where she is boarding him (she has a TWH boarded there ..her only other horse) and it is LOVELY there. But the horse must be gelded since its also a retirment home for race horses. The lady and i made a deal on gelding him, i am to stop back in January when i head down south to the family reunion and he is promised to be gelded. So she has 2wks to geld him. Thankly the girl he is for is only about 40 pounds and has horse expirence! She was verry smart for a really young girl and i explained how to handle him, pick up his feet, brush him and all that ..she listened. I dont think he could have got a better home at all. The lady where he is boarded had allot of horse knowlege and asked us allot of questions, a pure horse lover so i am releived.

I am glad how that turned out.

Now the happier ending (after the happy ending!

).

This morning when i went out to get rocky and striker ..rocky and coco were playing like usual. I at that moment decided that if these people didnt take Rocky ...he wasnt going anywhere. I know this sounds cheesy, thank what you want of it ..but i cherish watching rocky and coco play. I have been rethinking selling him for that reason. So i have decided Rocky ....staying here with Coco. Also i really want to finish driving rocky very badly and get to where i can say 'he is broke'.

I know i will get flamed for what i did, i think i handled it nicely though. If striker isnt gelded when i go back down there (since they have to, since its the boarding owners rules) ..i will handle it then. But im sure they will be and will be calling next saturday to check up.

I am glad to say that after today ...it was to hard to sell a horse. Broke my heart to say goodbye to him. So doing the traing/selling thing ..isnt for me. Im back to my 'dont sell' atitude. But i am now expecting two foals 06' (wink ..wink ..whole other thread) AND i think i will just raise the foals ...love them up and get them lovable and sell them to someone like Nicole (new_image) who can train them to ride and drive and will get them to a really nice home.

i dont know if i handled this right in your eyes ..all i know is i feel much much better after today and that has to be a good sign.

Leeana

EDITED: for spelling