NSIA

[Shari]

But here is another problem we have to deal with. ITs the NSIA. Read the whole thing a couple of times. They say it will keep all diease out of the country. It will do no such thing! Unless they kill every living animal on the planet.What it will do is cost us lots of money, limit the movement of animals and that includes going to shows. It is a really scary thing how the Government can think of one more thing to take our rights away.

http://www.wiid.org/

http://www.usaip.info/

You still have time to write to the congressmen to state why this is a bad thing and why.

If one really reads what they wrote.. it is scary. You can't even sneeze without telling them.

If an animal dies,,even say a hawk got it.. you have to report it. You can't bury the animal or eat it.. you have to wait until one of their people come and check it out.

We will not longer have any rights as animal owners.

They have the right at any time to come in and take your animals away.

They can at any time come on your property, fly over or what ever with their tracking devices.

This will effectually stop the slow foods movement like nothing else has been able to.

Unless they kill every living animal on this planet,, there is no way to get rid of disease.

This is wrong on so many levels.

What happen to" by the people for the people". Hasn't any one noticed how much the government is starting to look like the Cold War countries?

They are doing things without putting it to the folks of this country to vote?

 

[shminifancier]

Some States Like Wisc. Have already started programs like this~! You have to have your premises registered, with an ID and not long all animals will have some form of ID on them Starting with cattle going all the way to Llamas, Horses donkeys etc. This IS A good thing. Like I said Wisc already has begun this so it is too late to do much about the National program. The cattle ID has already started in the State with many readers and stuff already in the field. this is going to help IMO in case of an outbreak of ALL Sorts of deceases, Including, but not limited to, WN in Horses.

 

[Bluerocket]

I have no objection to this --- did you READ the power point presentation done on behalf of the equine industry on your usaip link?

I would pay to have radio chips imbedded in all my horses -- a great way to identify that PLAIN BAY or SOLID GRAY if he/she were stolen!

I don't see it as limiting anything -- I see it as costing something -- but I am willing to pay that cost to protect myself and my animals.

I have a dozen minis and 10 cats and 2 dogs -- at this point.

JJay

 

[Shari]

They can't even deal with what is in place now. It took them 4 months to find out where that BSE in WA came from the first time. And all of those cattle were tagged!

They can't even keep up with inspecting the plants for animal products as it is.

This program is only going to hurt the honest folk any ways.

This is not a good thing.

Am sorry but I have a problem with the Government on my place, telling me what I can and can't do.

My animals are all very well taken care of. I don't want them coming in and telling me I can't have chickens, or horses or what ever.

They will want proof of vaccines,, that includes with horse. IF you read far enough that means the Vet is going to have to do everything for you so you can have proof for "Big Brother".

The horse or other animal sneezes, you have to report it and it sounds like they will have to send people in. If you ride down the road you will have to report it to them. If your animal have any problems they want to know about it, even if it is rain rot.

This is Big brother wanting more control over the people nothing more nothing less. The Government can't even do what it needs to do right now.

Can you tell me the reason for tagging fish?

It is the animal owners that will have to foot the bill for those special GPS tracking chips for the animals. I know.. Intel stands to make a lot of money. This is great for The Large Factory farmed animals, & Monastano (Spell?) they also stand to make a lot of money.

It is down to big corporations making money, not helping this country.

I like raising my own food and buying food I know that raised healthy. This program is going to shut many very good smaller Farmers down.

This is what the big companies want. To shut down the slow food movement like nothing else has been able too.

I don't mind tagging animals,, but with normal tags..or normal chips. I have a big problem with GPS tags.

This is not going to stop disease period.

Wild birds, mice, rats, deer... all can and do spread disease and can pass it onto pets and livestock.

Bad Enough Bush thinks it is OK to wire tap people without an Warrant now. When are people going to say enough!

Read about Hitler... this is how he started out. Started out small,, slowly taking away German's rights, he said for the good of the people.. so they would not notice.

Then one day,, he was killing people.. for the good of his country. Don't think it can't happen here.

Am seeing a lot of things in this country, that I had hoped I would never see.

 

[Miniv]

The plan for registering or identifying every single livestock animal nationally is mindboggling and probably will end up being a dream because of the expense and time it will take.

I can see, however, a reason to "tag" previous farms or locations that have had infectious deseases, and any animals that come from there. That makes a little bit more sense.

MA

 

[Bluerocket]

The vet already does all the shots for all of my animals.

Again, I don't personally have any problem with complying with the program.

You have made several valid points -- and I certainly can agree - to disagree.

Each to their own.

JJ

 

[Shari]

I just hope it doesn't come to pass but I have a feeling it will because some states are all ready doing it.

I know with Scrapie program,, I had no problem with it and was one of the 1st 50 breeders to sign up. We had tags and the Fed Vet paid for them. I kept records anyway so it wasn't anything more than I already did.

But that program isn't anything like the one NSIA wants to do.

The Scrapie programs keeps tabs on farms where sheep have had scrapie or suspect of having it.

I know one farm that got a false positive on one ewe that was not well.. and instead of testing a couple more sheep.. they killed the whole lot. And it ended up,, that "None" of them had Scrapie. It killed the Farmer...they never did start over again. The government did not reimbuse them for their "Oppps".

Have seen a lot of witch hunts...and NSIA is going to make it worse.

I would die if,, they decided Maggie was in their "Kill zone".

And who is going to tell my 70 year old father that he has to fine a way to Tag is pet Cat fish? The fish are no where near any body of water other than his pond.

That pond is deep and I can't see him able to catch all of them.

He likes to go out and feed them, he is not hurting anyone by having them.

Like I said,, this is only going to hurt the honest folks.

 

[Shari]

I give my animals their shots. They trust me.

They however do not like the Vets... and I always end up with swollen necks if the Vet does them and it doesn't matter what Vet.

I just don't like the Gov telling me I have to have my animals see the Vet for Vaccines and worming.

No problem,, I can agree to disagree.. I understand it will not affect you like it will many others.

I can't see killing my baby Bantam chicks by putting those rather large GPS chips in them when they are no bigger than my husbands thumb nail when first hatched. Would have to if I comply with what the NSIA requires.

 

[Shari]

http://homesteadingtoday.com/vb/showthread.php?t=110259

 

[keeperofthehorses]

I've read the plan. I think you might be getting a little worked up and over-blowing this and trying to create some unnecessary hysteria. If you read the plan, and the FAQs on the links you provided, you'll see that some of your facts are mistaken. Your dad will not have to tag his catfish. You don't have to chip animals that can be ID'd in lots (your wee chicks). If your chickens never leave your property, they don't have to be ID'd at all. You don't have to vaccinate an animal unless it's mandated by law, such as BANGS. This isn't even law yet. There's no enforcement budget yet.

This was proposed by the USDA in response to the cattle industries cry for help in protecting their industry during the spread of BSE. This is meant to protect a vital part of the American economy from the type of devastation (human, animal and economic) that happened in the U.K. not so long ago with BSE and F&M. Ask a Canadian cattleman what that protection is worth. There was a time when a steer in Canada wasn't worth the bullet needed to kill it.

I'm not a big cheerleader for this, and I think it's going to be a hassle (like every other gov't program), but I do see it's necessity.

And for me, blaming this on Bush and comparing him to Hitler really doesn't help your argument.

 

[shminifancier]

Boy isn't that the truth~!! Blaming it on Bush Uff Da.. This was Years in the planning Long before Bush, Long before 9/11...Plans like this take m,any years in planning.. This has been on the net now for over 3 years, it isn't new at all...So besides this being on the net for a long times as this even stats:: The U.S. Animal Identification Development Team is seeking comments from all interested individuals. The comment period runs until January 31, 2004.

It is so OLD that even the question and answers are A Year old now and even has been closed~!

NEWS RELEASES

Go Here for Proceedings of ID Expo 2004

Go Here for Executive Summary 2003

Go Here for News Release 12-04-03

Go Here for News Release 10-24-03

Go Here for News Release 08-06-03

Look at the News releases they alone are over 2 years old..And it took many many years before that to write up plans like this~!

This is no way is a Plan put on by the Bus administration~!!!

there just isn't much about this to get so worked up about...

 

[runamuk]

WOW this is gonna be a first I am going to wholeheartedly disagree with Shari

I am all for the National animal Id program.......for one it will combine all my current stuff into 1 tag that will also contain everything about that animal from birth records to shot records to illness treatments vaccines...all in one little chip that stays with that animal until death.......

Secondly after the brewhaha over mad cow this would make it quick and easy to identify an animal where it originated and where it has been.........

As for cost currently the signup is free...yes I have my premise id number, and a scrapie number, and a farm service number, and a nrcs number......the software/scanners/and tag sets will have cost but currently there are programs around the US trying different methods if you get in the program it is free for now.........

Personally this is a better use of tax dollars than paying farmers to dump milk, warehouse wool, etc.......

Most of the funding for the NAIS will come from the producers who are required to use it so it isn't going to be some big money sucking new agency.

so again I am all for it.

But here is another problem we have to deal with.  ITs the NSIA. Read the whole thing a couple of times. They say it will keep all diease out of the country. It will do no such thing! Unless they kill every living animal on the planet.What it will do is cost us lots of money, limit the movement of animals and that includes going to shows. It is a really scary thing how the Government can think of one more thing to take our rights away.

http://www.wiid.org/

http://www.usaip.info/

You still have time to write to the congressmen to state why this is a bad thing and why.

If one really reads what they wrote.. it is scary. You can't even sneeze without telling them.

If an animal dies,,even say a hawk got it.. you have to report it. You can't bury the animal or eat it.. you have to wait until one of their people come and check it out.

We will not longer have any rights as animal owners.

They have the right at any time to come in and take your animals away.

They can at any time come on your property, fly over or what ever with their tracking devices.

This will effectually stop the slow foods movement like nothing else has been able to.

Unless they kill every living animal on this planet,, there is no way to get rid of disease.

This is wrong on so many levels.

What happen to" by the people for the people". Hasn't any one noticed how much the government is starting to look like the Cold War countries?

They are doing things without putting it to the folks of this country to vote?

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[Shari]

I have read all of the site. Yes,, in time we will have to tag "All" of our animals. That includes chicks or catfish.

The "batch" ID's are reserved for the Factory or large Farms. I am neither.

Will also tell the Federal Vet that originally gave me the heads up on what is happening and what is going to happen.. that you all think he is full of crap and me trying to get people to pay attention is only rising folks to hysteria.

Wonder why NSIA did not tell people up front.. and folks are only finding out about this the hard way?

My problem is with the GPS...and that they have the right to come on the propery and dictate what we can do with our animals. Might now seem like much now.. but in time it is going to hurt a lot of people. It is yet another small thing to take our rights away.

As for Bush,, ya.. he has something to do with this...

( On my other soap box...He also is allowing wire taps without getting warrants... or is CNN news wrong?

That he is above the law. Can go on....)

OK.. I will not post or bother with it any more.

 

[runamuk]

Shari you know I value your opinion......take a deep breath.....yes a small producer like you can use batch id lots........no your chickens/poultry/fowl don't need to be tagged yet......they are looking at using standard type leg bands (with a chip in it) as one option. Horses not yet either because they KNOW ear tags wont fly with horse owners

rabbits are another one that is still a work in progress..........I spoke directly at length with persons involved in implementing this.......yes I can continue along a sustainable/organic path they are finding it is the small producers who are most interested in getting this underway the big commercial people are seeing it as a big pain in the butt........PM me if you wish Suzanne is also well versed from my experience. I went to a sheep symposium and they had NAIS reps who I asked all of these questions you raised........this has been in the works for a long time........it only started voluntary implementation this year and is still in the study phase......as I said I got my number and volunteered for any tag studies in sheep currently they are only tagging cows in idaho.

I have read all of the site. Yes,, in time we will have to tag "All" of our animals. That includes chicks or catfish.
The "batch" ID's are reserved for the Factory or large Farms. I am neither.

Will also tell the Federal Vet that originally gave me the heads up on what is happening and what is going to happen.. that you all think he is full of crap and me trying to get people to pay attention is only rising folks to hysteria.

Wonder why NSIA did not tell people up front.. and folks are only finding out about this the hard way?

My problem is with the GPS...and that they have the right to come on the propery and dictate what we can do with our animals. Might now seem like much now.. but in time it is going to hurt a lot of people.

As for Bush,, ya.. he has something to do with this...

( On my other soap box...He also is allowing wire taps without getting warrants... or is CNN news wrong?

That he is above the law.)

OK.. I will not post or bother with it any more.

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[shminifancier]

Speaking about the Wire Taps! Had Bush and Former President Clinton had the Patriot Bill Before 9/11 Yes even as Early as Clinton,, They could have listened to calls From the States to over seas in respect to what happened on 9/11...And 9/11 just May have been prevented~!!

So for wire taps after 9/11 I am ALL for it~!

The 3,000 Americans killed on 9/11 changed this country, and the way we view the World for ever more...No More Doing Business as usall..~!! 3,000 Dead people show us that.....

 

[Miniv]

As for Bush,, ya.. he has something to do with this...

( On my other soap box...He also is allowing wire taps without getting warrants... or is CNN news wrong?

That he is above the law. Can go on....)

OK.. I will not post or bother with it any more.

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Have mixed feelings about the wiretap issue. I agree that on a day to day basis it is an invasion of privacy, but unfortunately if there is a terrorist threat, I think I would want them to do it.

In regard to CNN? I don't watch them anymore because they've been wrong too many times! (They're getting close to being as bad as the New York Times Newspaper!)

MA

 

[Shari]

I understand about the mix feelings. In Bush's speech he said," he did the wire taps.. and that no one was supposed to know about it". This was coming out of Bush's own mouth. That took me aback.

Yes we have to protect the country, however there are right and wrong ways to go about what issues that need to be dealt with. And I don't think he is doing a good job of it.

Unless we totally close our borders there is no real way to keep the country safe.

We have just become part of the world. DH family over in England have had to deal with terrorists long before the US has had too. Same with Ireland and other countries.

Sad really,, that any of this has to happen. Sigh ~ ~

Thanks runamuk.

Having talked with the Federal Vet.. am not sure about this.

Even though I don't have sheep at this time, I am still in the Scrapie program and went to many symposium on the Scrapie issue along time ago.

I still find people are not even in the system,, just for that one program.

They have no idea about the Scrapie program.

The USDA/Gov can't even get everyone to sign up. How do they think they will ever get all the animals in the USA tagged? There is no logistical way for them to do it.

How are the going to guard against abuse...from what I was reading the more current stuff on the NAIS the owners of the animals have no legal recourse if they NSIA messes up.

Most of the Certified Organic growers I know here are in no way keen on this program. They don't think it will work any better than I do.

I like to be able to buy food for my family that I know where the animal comes from "in person" what it is fed and how it was treated. Do not trust the Gov to tell me the food is safe.. seen them mess up too many times in the past with the programs they had before. I do not see NAIS making things better.

 

[runamuk]

I do agree that it isn't going to be a fix all for people who want to continue to break the rules. But I think for myself as a small producer it will be a benefit to eventually only need one tag in my sheeps ear AND to have that sheeps info all available literally at my fingertips. I also feel it will benefit those in the industry who are trying to pinpoint and eradicate things like scrapie, opp, footrot, soremouth, as a producer I can track and be informed if stock that I may no longer own develop these down the road.......yes you can test but there still are alot of false neg/pos in OPP however it is also something that often doesn't crop up until the animals are aged........

I think being able to quickly identify an animal that has a serious ailment/bse/anthrax/foot and mouth and knowing where that animal originated will help all producers..........strangles and vs in horses come to mind as two rapid spreading and devastating illnesses that can be controlled with quaranteen.....but to effectively quaranteen you need to track movement.

In many ways I would compare this to registries and mandatory DNA....some are for some against....typically those who are interested in improving things are going to be most likely to comply......

As for organics I know there are "other" agencies a person can license through if they feel the common longer existing agencies are too stringent.....so already organic is a questionable label at best and open to interpretation (like a breed standard

)

Another would be dogs.....once AKC came about with limited registration (ie. breeder designates non breeding) We suddenly see a huge influx of dogs being registered in a new registry CKC (continental kennel club not canada kennel club which is a respectable registry) anyone can register their "purebred" with this new registry

I don't think this new ID system will even be in full force and use for at least another 10 years and it may take much longer for equines and some of the pet/livestock.

Like everything in life there are always good and bad points to be weighed.....I just feel the good outweighs the bad in this instance.

As for the batch and lot part of the system.........I can have a lot of 3 lambs going directly to slaughter/slaughter buyer(not open salebarn sale) and not have to tag just like the current scrapie system and I would register them as lot 1 and my premise id number........3 lambs is definately not a commercial producer number

If you want to speak with the idaho rep directly I can get you her info...just need to dig out my stuff from last years symposium........sure wish they were having another one I have lots of new questions (mostly sheep production stuff) but so far haven't seen any advertising for it.....

 

[Shari]

I have heard what the USDA has done to the organic classification.

The organic farmers I buy from all go with the Oregon Tilth. They think the Gov allowing any GMO products is a joke. Along with the other changes,,,none of them good.

When I raised sheep,, they were tagged with the Scrapie tags and I kept detailed records on the computer. All my information was readly available already.

I kept records of who bought my sheep too.

So if needed the information was there for me to give who ever needed.

When I raised my Ducks and chickens,, all were leg banned..and records kept.

I don't want big brother on my property with out my permission dictating what I need to do or not. There are a lot of chances of abuse in a system like that.

The Gov having more of their fingers in peoples business isn't going to make it better. It isn't going to work unless "all" people are in the program.

All I see this new program doing is giving False comfort to people that don't raise animals for food.

If people really want safe food, they will find a Farmer local to their area that raises their food via the Oregon Tilth, that has values higher than what the Gov requires. There are a lot of good honest smaller farmers out there that keep good records.

If you find more information out please let me know. Like to compair it with the info the Fed Vet is getting,, to see if the NSIA is being up front with folks or not.

I also value your opinion Rori.

Thank you.

 

[keeperofthehorses]

Oregon Tilth is a accredited by the USDA to be a Certifying Agent. They have to adhere to the same standards as all other Certifying Agents. If it has the word 'organic' on it, USDA has their fingers in it. GMO's are prohibited in organic production. The proposed rule changes that so many people were up in arms about affected animal housing and feed. This year, there were no changes, but I haven't gotten my updates for next year yet.

There are a couple new certifications available that use the term 'natural' and such that aren't regulated by the USDA.