PlayTime Minis - 2014 Foaling Thread

[paintponylvr]

I was going to ask if Madeline was an "incomplete roan" based on her winter hairy pics. Finally went backwards to post one and saw the one pic you have of her shed out and hmmm, no, need Dianne's input on that one.

The sire of this baby, "Fine Art" IS what I call an incomplete roan on my guys... Not sure what the actual phenom is called - just what I CALL IT - see right behind his left hip that streak of white w/ no white skin under it. My first stallion passed this type of roaning on to a lot of his babies. I have quite a few that have serious roaning in some of their "spots" - varies as to where but a lot on the hips (well above the flanks like for sabino roaning) and no "flecks" around the edges. No white in the solid black tails (again like you would see in Sabino or Rabicano). The white roaning seems to increase as they age as well...

Diane - all of my pintos either have white or striped hooves and supposedly no appy breeding (especially since they are Shetlands not Minis,

). I'll see if I have close ups of any of the stripey hoofies, LOL.

Iggy - he's got the white "roan patch" on his rite forearm... Plus you can see some roan flecks in his coat - yet he's not what I call a "true roan"... and next is a pic that definitely shows his striped hooves - left front and right rear. Iggy has sired quite a few foals for us, need to go count now. Our website is down or rather not working correctly yet so I will have to count elsewhere... I believe all of his foals for us have at least one striped hoof... He's homozygous for tobiano and I've had one of his foals that was tested also test as homozygous (now gelded as I didn't feel he was stallion quality).

This is Echo - the last foal sired by our 1st stallion who was also black and white. I knew that Echo had at least one striped hoof - the other three are black. The right hind IS striped - hard to see but this is really the only photo that I have that shows it... And since his hoof is dirty, it's hard to see that that "stripe" goes all the way to the coronet... Echo is one of my 2013 "kids"... The last foal sired by "AJ" and a really NICE one. AJ was also homozygous for tobiano and had that incomplete roaning going on.... As well as ermine spots on his legs and paw prints w/i the white markings on his body. All of AJ's foals have ermine spotting - even the ones out of solid mares, so it's not a trait that "proves" a trait of homozygous tobiano, imo. This fellow, Echo, hasn't been color tested yet (he's not homozygous for black, being out of a chestnut tobiano mare), but will be eventually unless I geld him first.

Pasture shot of Echo's sire, AJ, showing his small "roany" patch on the left hip. As he aged, it roaned out more but DOES NOT SHOW well in my pics...

and one in 2005. AJ trotted across the rainbow bridge in July 2012. He "owned us" for 17 years. I LOVE this pic of him - when we were showing him locally as a hunter pony stallion. Also if you look close at the spot above the roany patch - that spot has "roaned out" in front of it - there is no white hair under the leading edge of white on it... And it's much larger than the pic above which shows that spot better... He also had roaning around the white markings on the left side of his neck (under his mane) - I don't have any actual pics of that, though.

I didn't mean to hi-jack your thread but I love topics of color SO FASCINATING and this time it's not about silver genealogy. I can't wait to see what Madeline produces! That looks to be a really NICE baby.

 

[paintponylvr]

I just have to continue to "hi-jack" this thread...

Here's a son of AJ's out of a large pony sized, horse mare (paint x arab). His dam DID NOT have any roaning in her bay tobiano markings. Rascal matured to 13.1 and did well for his owners in local & 4H shows. Now a beloved family member that gets occasional rides. Apache is out of a black sabino mare that was minimally marked. This pic shows his roaning a little (I actually have very few pics of this pony that shows his roaning that I KNOW he had...!). Apache also matured to 13.1 hh and was a top competitor in 3 day eventing for his little rider before she outgrew him. They haven't gotten around to training him to drive yet - I keep trying to convince them that they should. These 1/2 shetland crosses are WONDERFUL mounts for little folk and for small adults.

Hmmm - thought you could see his roany patch here, but really only see what he did performance wise, LOL.

and the last crossbred son of AJ's. This pony is out of a solid bay Arabian mare with lots of chrome (minimal "overo" but not Sabino??). The first one is in Jan 2011 = winter coat. The 2nd is Aug 2013 in summer coat - I attached the pic in the shade so no sun glare on his coat... Yes, that's roaning all the way down the outer gaskin. He also has a patch on his shoulder on the left side. I'm out of piccie spots on this post...

 

[paintponylvr]

AND one more, SORRY! WEll, it does keep ya' from getting bored, doesn't it???? While waiting for your babies to arrive...

Here's "Sami" when he's about 9 months old after a bath. This shows his roany spot on his right hip, his roany spot on his left shoulder AND his stripey hooves...

And here are two shots of "Flashi" - the 2011 daughter of "Iggy" the first silver tobiano stallion pictured in the first post. She has a roany spot sandwiched 'tween her dapples on her left rear barrel area... 1st pic Oct 2012 at the Spooktacular show in Glen Rose, TX and the 2nd at the 2013 Shetland Congress in Des Moines, IA.

AND underneath that hoofblack, she has stripey hooves! Hoofblack is still showing here but you can see the stripes as well.

EDITED TO ADD - and two "roany spots" on her face - 1 just in front of her cheek bone and one closer to the bottom of her jaw between her jowl and her chin. I expect those will both get much whiter when she hits her teens... I see that a lot in the silver dapples regardless of the white face markings (have a couple with NO face markings that have gotten roany hairs around their foreheads and sides of their cheeks after they turned 12 yrs old).

 

[chandab]

Paula, I can't see the other spots as well, but I'd say the roany spot on AJ is due to Sabino, and they do sometimes continue to roan out. I had an AQHA mare with a roan spot on her hip, the rest of her markings said sabino. Probably one of the forms that doesn't have a test, yet; but, one of the forms of sabino just causes roaning without facial and/or leg white.

 

[MountainWoman]

Paula, wow do you ever have some gorgeous horses. I never, ever get tired of looking at photos of horses and talking about color. Really a fascinating subject. I think Madeline most closely resembles your Echo. I had another foal last year out of Fine Art bred to a blue roan and she came out grulla (or at least that's what the consensus was with regard to her color) with a pronounced dorsal stripe.

Here's her photos.



Not sure how she came out that color but she did. So I'm really looking forward to this cross with Madeline.

P.S. - Love the photo of Apache and Kenzi practicing. And I love your Flashi too. Such gorgeous horses you have!!!

 

Thanks for sharing the pictures of the pintos with the striped hooves. Not having many pintos here over the years, I had never seen it before.

LOVE all those pictures of those beautiful horses! Certainly helps pass the waiting time!

 

[MountainWoman]

While we are waiting I have one more pintaloosa to add to my foaling line up this year and a very special one - Scott Creek's Mystical Sparkle, a 29" beauty who is bred to the one and only RFM's Thunder Inki. I've actually owned her for a while but wanted to wait to share the news. But Madeline is due first and really very excited about all the babies.

Photos used with permission.



And thanks everyone for sharing photos of your horses. I love seeing them.

 

[AnnaC]

Stunning pictures of stunning horses as always Paula! I think the various colours that our minis throw up are absolutely facinating.

 

[eagles ring farm]

Congrats on your other addition

I just love Inki - this should be a beauty as well

I know you have alot of that awful winter weather again so

I woun't as you Madeline to rush

 

[MountainWoman]

Thanks Lori!

 

[MountainWoman]

Madeline's underside today.

 

Keep it coming little girl!!

 

[MountainWoman]

Thanks Diane. Hoping she holds off as our weather is terrible with lots of snow and below zero temperatures.

In other news, my fillies from last year - Suzette, Kate and Angel are headed out showing next month. Very exciting for me as they are very special to me.

 

You'll have to post some pictures of them so everyone can see how special "we" know they are. We have several new people here who will join in our drooling, I'm sure! Can't wait to hear results! Praying for lots of wins!!

 

[MountainWoman]

Thanks Diane. I just think it's exciting they made the cut as I've seen some photos of really fine yearlings heading out showing. Hard to believe this time last year I was still waiting for them all to arrive. It's quite a journey to bring a baby into the world and then watch them mature. It's why I love this board although we certainly have our share of heartbreak over here as well.

 

Yes, there are some sad times, but we must relish in the achievements and successes. Breeding is not for the faint of heart, but when you get a little one safely on the ground, we just thank the Lord for another successful ending to a long wait.

I love this board and the friends here comforting us when something sad happens, and being as excited as can be when there is a success. Blessedly, there are many more happy times than sad, and I cherish each and every one!

 

[MountainWoman]

You are so right Diane. Two years ago after I had such a horrible experience I couldn't even post about it, I thought I'd never go through this again and then last year I had experienced broodmares and they gave me such awesome foals and the joy I experienced and still do over those babies is beyond compare.

I have made so many friends from this board and I feel as though we all truly care about each other's horses and it's just really wonderful to be here with all of you and couldn't get through it without all of your advice and encouragement.

 

[eagles ring farm]

You have to share the show results of Kate, Suzette and Angel with us so excited for you another

great show season ahead

 

[AnnaC]

Diane and Sara, you are both so right - this is one of the best places to spend any spare moments that we may have in our daily lives, such friendly people, so much excitement, and yes some sad times, but all in all it is a great place - I think it was Suzie's 'long' pregnancy plus Peanut's one that followed close behind that originally led to this forum being started so we must thank them!

I know that once again we will be watching Suzie excitedly in August when her second baby is due, but does anyone know if Heidi's Peanut is expecting again?

 

[MountainWoman]

I hope Heidi comes back this year. She makes me smile! Anna, interesting about how this forum came to be. I love that people can post here and not be worried about being criticized. I think that's why we all become friends - because we love all the horses and the babies too.