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Paula, it is always such a delight to read your posts and wonderful pictures!

What attracted me to the Paddock Paradise/tracking idea is that my horse cannot handle lots of grass. I don't think he's unique, either! Putting him out in a huge grassy turnout would cripple him. When he comes to live at my house, I have limited land but much of what I have has very rich grass. I think building a simple track that takes advantage of the trees out back and works around the very lush grass areas would definitely make life more interesting for him than being on a small dry lot all the time. So it seems worth the expense and effort. But then again, it is only about 3/4 acre, not miles and miles of fencing.
 
Ill second that Max's Mum, Paula it is always a pleasure to read your posts , I love the pics also
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Im also one with a mare that has had laminitis in the past, so would not take the risk leaving her on pasture for long periods. I also don't want to see her or any of the others locked in yards/ drylots.

After reading posts in this thread and posts from other threads regarding Feeding/Pastures ect one thing that stands out to me is that our pastures are very different to one and other, so while some may find this works brilliantly for them, may not work for others.

One of the best things about this forum is everyones different ideas, some would never be suitable for me but others work wonderfully
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Since my herd has been on track they are actually moving instead of lying around all day in the dry lot like slugs. Heavens I've even seen the occasional TROT. Looking forward to the day when someone goes mad and breaks into a gallop. They have to be happier. I'd love to have the kind of pasture that they could be left in all the time but the grass here is just too rich, I'd have ponies foundering left, right and centre.
 
ahhh - wish I could trade my "desert" for your grass...

Here's a pic of the new paddock. I will say one thing - my guys are doing quite a bit of playing and running. I didn't get any good shots, though...

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Ryan makes a good point; everyone's circumstances are different.

Minimor mentions that she lets her horses roam the pasture (not sure how many horses on what size pasture.) That works for her. It wouldn't work for me; for example with the two girls, because 3 acres of grass, which even now in mid-Jan looks pretty rich, would be too much for them. I think.

I didn't buy a book or approach it with the goal of setting up tracks. A narrower access just seemed to be something that worked for us, because it reduced the amount of grass they could access and gave them a long running area. We ripped down the other interior fencing we had, because after Baby's laminitis I didn't know how much they could have. And that made it easier for us to mow the area they weren't in. I look at the post immediately prior to this one (paintponylvr in North Carolina) and not sure when the photo was taken but that looks so very dry compared to our climate/grass greenness. Our pastures wouldn't look like that photo except for a few weeks in Aug. (Not criticizing your paddocks, just commenting on climate differences.)

Reading about eye injuries just makes me want to cry. Our old stallion-Nicky-gets a little more room (1/2 acre-ish) because he controls his eating. I felt like a real meanie, but his water is at the opposite end of the pasture from his stall. And he can just hike his fat, pudgy butt all the way over there to drink. It's not a track, but it's a similar concept that requires him to exercise. He's a bit different from her mention of blind because (despite vet saying some response to light) he's blind. I know this because I see him run into the stall wall or see him meander around to find his water dish and find it by bumping his nose into it (I never ever move it.) But he gets the job done and he runs around bucks, kicks up his heels and somehow seems to know the edges of his territory and never runs into the fence. ooops, I think I side-tracked off-topic. sorry.
 
AngC - that pic was taken 19 days ago on January 1st, 2015. That's our new property. YES, it does need LOTS of help to develop that sand/desert (this IS in the "sandhills" of NC) into good pasture grass. We are already speaking w/ not one but 2 counties (since the property straddles both) about the best ways/types of amendments to get good soil (short of hauling in good topsoil - which can't afford after the purchase and fencing of this 21 acres) and growth. Won't involve using pesticides or herbicides - will have to be careful about the chicken manures used to make sure not dumping a bunch of antibiotics on the ground. Already planning on putting movable chicken coops and "paddocks" out in a couple of areas to start - will move the coop in straight lines down the open area between the boys and the girls for right now. Have had many requests for broiler chickens - so will be getting our first 25 - 50 birds in the next month. I feed non-medicated feed. Looking at running some heritage breed pigs as well - natural rototillers!! Won't be many - don't want the property torn up too much. Probably only 4 or so at a time... not sure on that one yet. will also use them to help clears out SOME of the brush/scrub in a few areas that we will eventually clear.

Funny thing - the pasture was fenced already however they had TINY minis and the fence is no taller than 30" and the fence posts just a bit taller than that. So, that is the perimeter fence and we are putting paddocks inside of it that are 30' off the fence. Not as narrow as the mentioned tracks - but want to be able to ride/work full size horses under saddle as well as ground training ponies & driving with carts and wagons. Want any equipment that comes in (including my truck/trlr) to be able to get around the paddocks w/o tearing up any of the fencing - so the corners are angled. The soil/grass will get worked on in those areas as well AND the ponies will be able to be turned out on/in those areas, too, to alternate where they are. We have a couple of other areas that are clear that will be fenced and used as well for small paddocks. The goal is to be able to grow grass and over seed it w/ oats, peal millet & winter rye at the appropriate times. Won't be doing a lot of seeding this year - when first putting the birds on it... pony manure, chicken manure & cow manure (gotten from friends that have cattle that are kept up - they are happy to have a place to get rid of it!) will be composted & then used to help build the soils. Might even look at setting up with red worms - we'll see what/how much we can do.

Part of the area between paddocks, in the "center" of the pasture, will be left open. A started "pond" will be dug larger/deeper and since it's all sand and not holding any water whatsoever - will have a pond liner done so that it can be/will fill w/ water. Then we'll build a bridge that not only our ponies can be worked over - but also full size draft horses w/ much larger wagons. Other obstacles will be added in to work with in-hand and for full size riding horses (probably not me - haven't been in the saddle in almost 3 years now - hips "scream" more than I can deal with when I try to ride and lock as well)... Will have a round pen to start and may add an actual arena to that as well. If we do - it will be grassed, too... Playing with some different ideas - some depends on funds over the next several years. Eventually, plan on paths thru all the forested areas - starting by removing scrub trees and/or injured/diseased trees - using the ponies to pull them out once they are cut down. Will take longer of course, but will have much lower environmental impact and part of their training, too.

2 pics taken this weekend. Ranger is the silver smokey black gelding - has only 1 eye. Hasn't slowed him down here - the paddock is actually more open and has fewer obstacles at the moment.

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Echo & Rio were born in April 2013 - so will both be 2 yrs old in April. Cupid is Rio's full brother - he'll be 5 in 2 weeks.

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Ask your vet something about Nicky. If he has limited vision - is the daylight causing an issue? Sometimes a "limited vision" animal or person has a hard time seeing anything in bright sunlight. Not painful (well, could be?) like with a cremello/perlino but a glare through the eye that causes "real" blindness to an eye injured horse. Try putting a good fly mask on him - instead of making him worse - once he's used to it - it should make it easier to get around during the day - especially on particularly bright days.
 
AngC - that pic was taken 19 days ago on January 1st, 2015.

Funny thing - the pasture was fenced already however they had TINY minis and the fence is no taller than 30"

Ask your vet something about Nicky. If he has limited vision - is the daylight causing an issue? Sometimes a "limited vision" animal or person has a hard time seeing anything in bright sunlight. Not painful (well, could be?) like with a cremello/perlino but a glare through the eye that causes "real" blindness to an eye injured horse. Try putting a good fly mask on him - instead of making him worse - once he's used to it - it should make it easier to get around during the day - especially on particularly bright days.
I think I've mangled the cut-paste here, but let me say I meant no offense at your pastures. I was observing the difference between what happens here with pastures/rain etc. and was noting the difference between how your "sandy" pastures look. That's all.

Regarding "short" fences, our interior fencing is still low in stature. Initially, before we yanked it all out, the husband sawed up a bunch of well piping that was lying about, drilled holes, set insulators, and the net effect was such that any one of ours could have easily hopped over it. They didn't and don't. Even now that we're using T-posts, with 3 strands of electric, I know that our mare, could easily jump over it. She doesn't (yet.)

Regarding Nicky's eyes.... I've received various answers from the vets over time. While treating his injury, he was wearing an eye cup (with a lavage system underneath the cup so I could syringe medication into his eyeball via a tube) when that came off, I put a fly mask on him every day that first summer as advised by the vet. Since then, I've been told several conflicting vet opinions. I've only had the eye specialist look at Nicky one time (the dude is rather expensive) but since then other vets have looked through magnifying doo-hickies, while shining light into Nicky's eye to check response to light. Apparently, his pupil does have some response to light. But in everyday use, he's blind. I really don't know whether I should have him in a fly mask when it's bright outdoors. The last vet visit I was told that it might be worse to have him wearing the fly mask because it reduces what little light his eye responds to. I don't know. My future plans are to stuff his head into a fly mask during fly season, and otherwise not, unless I see him acting uncomfortable.
 
UGH! Getting differing/conflicting views from the actual vets makes all decisions frustrating and tuff. I know!! Oooo, we needed to use the "cup" idea with that filly - but doing what was done worked for her.

The only reason I don't like the short fence is a 30" tall fence is not enough to contain running ponies (at least not ours) - whether playing or being chased - someone hits &/or jumps them when they are sooo short. Also - I have several larger ponies (two shetland mares that are 46", 1 larger x that is 47", 1 larger cross that is 13.1 hh, 1 arab that is now 14.3 and a NSH that is 15.3). Several of these are trained jumpers that have been worked over courses routinely taller than 30" - all the Shetlands are natural jumpers whether they are trained or not. While working w/ various vets - the worst injuries I've seen have been horses that have jumped up and come down on an unprotected t-post. Some of those are fatal (instantly) or had to be euthanized. Others - the treatments were long and difficult. My luck - if mine decided to jump - they'd skewer themselves. Don't want that. Our shetlands remove all the different types of post toppers that I've tried to use to safely cover the posts at the top. Also don't want anyone leaning over the top of the field fence - stretching it more out of shape than his minis had already made it or simply destroying it... Easier to do the interior fences at "regular" ( ours will be 48" to 50" tall) heights and later we will come back and cover the perimeter fencing w/ post covers and put up hot tape above the current field fence - raising the height to at least 50" as well. I would prefer to have all the fences at 5' - 60" - because we have full size horses and also because others (visitors) have full size horses as well . Will take time. Eventually, all the fencing will have hot tape on it as well - again time. I've been putting in posts by myself - it's slow. Tonight after putting in only 17 posts this morning - my arms are jello and my chest and lower back are killing me. Thing is - I'm not just doing fencing - I'm doing all the things associated w/ caring for the animals - except actual grooming and training/working (all the ponies came over here on Friday last week - 15 are currently running loose in the "short fence" until we get the rest of the fencing done and today I held my breath when one mare became obsessed w/ chasing two others and they all headed straight towards the fence line that would point them down the private road and just a little over 1/2 mile to the main, paved road.). I also now have all the chickens and the barn cats here that have to be cared for - and two new rescue dogs. Plus - still unpacking boxes and for the first time in forever - COOKING from scratch (amazingly good but wow, forgot how long it could take to prep, cook and then clean up!)...

This week is a short week at work - clinic was closed for two days while vets attending continuing education classes - for 5 days - we've steadily done more both inside and out. I'm sleeping better than I have in years - once I get the all over aches and pains stopped w/ Advil & Tylenol and I'm slowly but steadily losing weight. I feel better other than the "jello-y" arms ... did other stuff other than fencing yesterday and was THANKFUL for the break - I literally couldn't lift my arms for several hours yesterday...
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All of us had the flu and fevers for several days over the Christmas Holidays - I was the only one at the time not working. Everyone else had to work (hubby & 3 adult daughters) - only had so many sick or vacation days...

I talked to professional fencing company - 1) - other jobs mean it will be awhile before they'd be able to come out. They also don't work w/ "used" fencing - but only with putting up brand new fencing. 2) expensive - more than we can even think about right now. YEP, would have been both simpler and easier on us (UUUUHHHHH - ME) but simply couldn't do it.

Still have my old trailer full of equipment and stuff... Needs to be unloaded. Have about 5 loads of "stuff" at a friends' house. Was hoping to get at least two loads picked up while I was "off" of work for the 5 days - but it didn't work out that way.

Max's Mum - THANK YOU. I'm glad you haven't taken offense at the way this has turned a bit off-topic. My goal is someday to have the kind of pasture that would be hard to turn just a couple of ponies/minis out on. I am currently building a similar layout to "tracks" - just a bit different... Will keep any ponies moving because I already feed in such a way as to make them move from grass/hay to feed to salt to water. Love the amount of discussion this post has generated.

Ryan - Thanks to you as well! You are right on both the pasture view(s) and the neat way we have of getting everyone's opinions...
 
UGH! Getting differing/conflicting views from the actual vets makes all decisions frustrating and tuff. I know!! Oooo, we needed to use the "cup" idea with that filly - but doing what was done worked for her. ...SNIP...

The only reason I don't like the short fence is a 30" tall fence is not enough to contain running ponies (at least not ours) - whether playing or being chased - someone hits &/or jumps them when they are sooo short. ...SNIP...

Max's Mum - THANK YOU. I'm glad you haven't taken offense at the way this has turned a bit off-topic. ...SNIP...
I apologize for wandering off-topic, but I learned something on this post. I had no clue that there was something you could use to "cap" T-posts. I never realized I should worry about that. So I'm going to check that out.

I KNOW ours could easily jump our newer fences. They don't. I also know Coco would make one heck of a jumper; that's how she got pregnant and made Baby. If I could run like the photos I see on the show websites/videos, I would be awfully tempted to teach them to jump, but I can't run and so they aren't taught jumping. For some reason (beats me why) they respect our interior electric fences.

Regarding eyes cups/eye injuries.... (and this is really going off-topic.) Eye cup/lavage system did not work for us. I ended up learning that I had a pre-existing condition, which, coupled with the eye injury gave me a blind horse. And it cost a butt-load of money. But what was I going to do? ...leave Nicky out there in the pasture with his eyeball festering out of his head? That wasn't an option for me; when I brought him home, I figured I owed him more than that. That is why I wince when I read sites that advise you too can own a mini-horse; it's really easy; graze 'me on the lawn, etc. That's nifty, until things go wrong. ok, sorry, I'll shut up now.
 
No offence taken at all! I'm glad the topic has had a lot of responses so it can "stay up" on the topic list. I love hearing about how all of you have set up your fencing and pasture/paddocks. And fence height and safety is certainly an important part of all of this. Keep the ideas coming!
 
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Ang C - hmmmmm.... where to start.

Yep - what no one tells anyone when they get into horses is that they can be the most self-destructive creatures around. Most owners seem to have no clue - and have no problems either (at least the ones that I've met)... until they have problems and then they usually "spiral"... or multiply. Just the way that the law of averages seem to work...

To be perfectly honest - I look back and of all the injuries I've had w/ horses over the years to include when I was a tot learning to ride a shetland in IA in the 60's, the lessons and horse we owned in HI in the early 70s, then the horses we owned in CO and the various farms, farmettes and ranches I worked on during that time frame as well - the most injuries ive dealt with have been eye injuries. They seem to happen most often to horses in smaller set ups - simply because a horse is a big creature.

I'll never forget the day I visited a friend of mine who was a riding instructor/horse trainer. She and her hubby had just had the new barn finished and had moved the boarder horses in from their paddocks/pastures for the afternoon/night. Not 10 minutes later, standing outside of the stall of one of the boarders' large ponies - we both are sprayed in blood as the mare has rubbed her eye on the brand new (great barn colors!) water bucket and it's hanger - and caught her eyelid just right and ripped part of it off!! OF COURSE - Murphy's Law kicks in quite handily - it's after hours on a weekend and not only is the owner's vet not available but neither is the trainer's/barn owners, nor mine! Three back up vets later - we get an unfamiliar face who is not only new to the area but appears to be a pretty new vet and very uncomfortable around horses and ponies. Yeah, that was a great weekend!! Luckily the mare was an "old campaigner" and was pretty calm during all this (a good thing as when the owner arrived she totally flipped out), the new vet got some great experience w/ a steady, calm pony and an upset owner (who then decided that her pony needed to be boarded else where at a "better barn")... O - her eye wasn't damaged and she healed just fine and at the new barn did a similar injury to the other eye in another area of the pasture just 3 weeks later - didn't ever hear how that one turned out. The mare just liked rubbing her head/face/eyes on whatever was handy when she had an itch. I have a lot of stories - some of the "goriest" ones have had the easiest/best healing! One of the first horse vets we had in CO when I was a "teeny-bopper" is now the head of the Vet Program at CSU (or was when I last checked). Another vet that I rode with a couple of summers on farm calls - also in CO - was the head vet at the track in Denver (now called the Arapahoe Race Track - wasn't what it was called then) for many, many years and live about 1 mile down the road from us for the 10 years we lived in Parker, CO. Again, some of the experiences and happenings - almost unbelievable.

As to fencing w/ t-posts - I've used quite a number of combinations over the years. For us, it's cheaper and easier to not use any "toppers" - just use the post as is and make sure it's tall enough to prevent problems (however, understand I'm 5'6" tall and I've had a 39" pony buck higher than my head - so wouldn't matter how tall the posts were). Here's one of the toppers' that are common here in NC and that really add up when you are constantly replacing them as ponies pull them off the posts (w/ the hot wire on) and break them - T-Post Cap by Safe Fence Here's another - our ponies thought these tasted really good. After the 3rd stomach pump (colic treatments - 3 different ponies) I got rid of 5 acres of these!! T-Post Safety Cap by Premier 1. They were also hard to put on after driving the posts into the ground w/ the hand held post driver (changes the shape of the top of the post) and shredded if you put them on first and then drove the posts into the ground. I used something similar to this one for a short time - but it wasn't called Patriot (I think I'd remember that w/ the # of our family who have been active duty service members!). The design was different 10 yrs ago - but this is the replacement. Didn't try this one - Gallagher insulated post topper.

Understand - my destructive ponies had that as part of their personalities. Most weren't destructive - but it only takes one!! Our Shetland stallion passed that on to about 1/2 of his sons and daughters that we bred and raised... so between 1996 and now we've had about 15 different mares, geldings and stallions that were like that... They love to PLAY and they are very inquisitive and explore EVERYTHING w/ their mouths. They were also the ones who played - with the other ponies/horses, with people, were intelligent and ez to train (knew what u wanted before u knew u wanted it, LOL) and enjoyed life and did great as riding ponies, hunter/jumper ponies and as driving ponies. The last purebred son of our stallion is coming 2 yrs old (our jr stallion that we aren't in a hurry to castrate yet) and his previous son that we still own is a 1/2 arab/1/2 shetland gelding that figured out how to open the bird feeders that were on the fence posts adjacent to his pasture (AHHH - corn and seeds!!) and also how to open the bedroom window that "his" girl slept in and stick his head in and nibble on her body (woke her up regularly!)... Some of those same ponies were also THE BESTEST BABY SITTERS & COMPANIONS during turbulent times while our 3 daughters were growing up!

Here is the plan for "raising" our short fence into "proper" fencing... With every 20 posts costing $200 (right now & not including the tape), it will take a WHILE to complete this project - starting w/ the fence line that is along the road and at the entrance to our driveway ... I've put this system up with a friend who leased two of our ponies - it worked great! She only used 3 tape lines but in a couple of sections where our ponies were, she used 4. Horse Guard Fencing We will use it to make the "short" posts taller and attach 1 line (possibly 2?) to the top to raise the height of the fence. "Pretty", functional and visual... Should be effective deterrent in more ways than one for the larger horses that we currently own as well as others who come to visit. And will turn our "hick" style fencing into a more visually appealing, yet less high maintenance fence (I've said in previous posts that I don't like wood fencing - the other causes of much heartache for us w/ ponies). If we go with brown, I've already noticed that it will be very similar to the fencing in our areas... The tape does need to be checked but overall it's easier to pull/keep tight than other tapes/ropes have been.
 
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I wanted to do this, have the hills, rock and space for a nice one.

But all the fence line upkeep would make it a horrible chore and constant annoyance trying to mow the unused paddocks in between.

Plus, getting any posts at all to go in is no easy task, rocks sticking out to hidden 1-24in in the ground. One spot is clear, 3in the other direction and rocks galore!

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I am going to watch paintponylvr's fencing adventures with interest. Fencing is so darned expensive. I am open to anything I can learn.

I know they can hurt themselves on pretty much anything, but I think I'll hold up on the T-Post caps. Some of those descriptions are scary.

Wooden fencing sucks, by the way. We were driving back in today and I took a really good look at ours; SIGH.

Regarding horse problems... I have noticed there is a tendency to downplay the potential for trouble. I've noticed it at various web-sites where they tell you how easy it is to own a mini-horse. A little food, a little whatever, but they don't emphasize enough (in my opinion) that if things go wrong, it can become expensive. I had an acquaintance (vice a friend) ask me about mini horses. I gave her a few links, including this forum, so she could read up on things. I assumed she was considering stabling the horse. A few months later, she visited and was asking some more questions... she was going to put the mini-horse on her 8,000 sq. ft. town lot, and she was figuring the horse could go in her walk-out basement. She wanted to borrow my trailer if she found a mini-horse (Kia sedan; no trailer hitch.) Oh, and here's the kicker, she figured if it didn't work out, she'd just bring it here because we have so much "room/pasture" that we're not using. (Come on, Really?)
 
I wanted to do this, have the hills, rock and space for a nice one.

But all the fence line upkeep would make it a horrible chore and constant annoyance trying to mow the unused paddocks in between.

Plus, getting any posts at all to go in is no easy task, rocks sticking out to hidden 1-24in in the ground. One spot is clear, 3in the other direction and rocks galore!

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So I did end up doing it. Turned out to be very low maintenance and super easy. Plus, it works.
I'm going to make a new thread about it, so others who started one or are interested, can join in on a current thread. =)
 

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