What "type" of pinto was Johnstons Gold Boy?

[StarRidgeAcres]

He had that really, really wide blaze, no blue eyes that I know of. But going on the theory that any white means some type of pinto I'm just curious as I have a daughter. She is solid chestnut and has only produced solid babies to my knowledge, but she has this mark on her lower lip that has always intrigued me. She has the tiniest of snips and faint star but then there is this blotch of white, the size of a quarter, maybe a tad smaller iin the shape of a teardrop on her lower lip. I also had a solid palomino stallion once (also GMB bred) that had a very wide blaze and the same white patch on his lower lip. He was bred once to an outside mare and the resulting baby was ridiculously wild!!

I mean he looked like one of Joanne's pintos - meaning looked frame to me. The mare was visually solid. We had the baby PQd because I was like "there is NO way" but nope, he was the sire.

So, thoughts?

Oh, and once I had a buyer call to inquire on the palomino stallion when he was maybe for sale and the buyer specifically ASKED about if the horse had any white on his lower lip. Hmmmm.

 

[ohmt]

I'm guessing gold boy was sabino, but that's just a guess. I have a few old mares who are solid with just a big blaze. When bred to solid, they only produce solid, but I breed them to pinto, I get some crazy color. I have one mare who is chestnut with the big blaze and brown eyes-she is a mickey mouse gdaughter but gets her sabino from her sire, sonrisas hajel (sire to shredder who sired ltds magic man). I bred her to a minimal tobiano pinto and got a LOUD pinto filly with a big blaze, paw prints everywhere, and sabino roaning. Tested her and she was not homozygous, but that sabino plus tobiano gave her the unusual coloring.

Your other palomino was probably either splash or lwo. I know when you get a solid horse with lwo they a lot of times just have a snip or a star. Splash usually has offset face white, like my wardance son.

Aren't patterns just too much fun?

 

[Karin - NaKar Miniatures]

Parmela - Gold Boy was not any type of pinto, nor sabino. He was a solid, but carried the splash gene. He did have a blaze and a pink bottom lip, which is indicative of the splash gene.

Wittmaacks Little Skipper (grandson of Gold Boy) looks a lot like Gold boy in his coloring.

 

[ohmt]

Hi Karin!

Did gold boy ever sire any 'loud' foals out of solid mares?

 

[Karin - NaKar Miniatures]

No, not that I am aware of. Any pinto foals were the result of the mare being a pinto. If any of those were loud colored I don't know. He did however, like Skipper, put white on the faces of most of his foals.

 

[love_casper]

You're correct - all white is some type of pinto. Splash is a pinto gene.... pinto simply being defined as white pattern.

It sounds kind of like Sabino to me, as that will cause white under the lip, and I don't believe the line is known to carry frame. But snips are often splash, and any time two minimal splashes are bred, you have a 25% chance of getting a loud foal, and that seems to fit the story more.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

All "normal" white markings are the result of a Pinto gene, therefore JGB was a minimal Pinto.

Which sort is conjecture as he was never tested but, as he had no blue eyes and is not known for having thrown them I would guess Sabino.

Having said that I have a mare who I know is Splash, who has brown eyes and has never thrown blue eyes and has only a small star on her forehead!

 

[love_casper]

I breed appys, so don't know much about pinto genes, but are you saying that all palominos with blazes are really pintos?

All ANYTHINGS with blazes, stars, stripes, snips, socks, or partial/ one or more blue eyes (minus double dilutes of course) are minimal pintos.

 

[trickhorses]

All ANYTHINGS with blazes, stars, stripes, snips, socks, or partial/ one or more blue eyes (minus double dilutes of course) are minimal pintos.

Yes, technically - LWO, sabino and splash are a pinto gene (although, I never refer to them as a "pinto" gene, but rather just a gene itself and can come in max and minimal expressed forms.) However you can't say a black horse with a blaze, socks, snip, blue or brown eyes and call it a tobiano if it tested negative for tobiano - it would however possibly carry LWO, Splash or sabino. We see alot of solid blacks with blazes, snips, socks, chin spots and even blue eyes in the gypsy vanner world and every solid black I know of has tested negative for the tobiano gene and the sabino (sb1) gene. However, they most likely carried splash or another form of sabino - of course neither which there are test for so no way to know for sure.

 

[yellerroseintx]

I own one of JGB's sons...he also has that wide jagged blaze with white/pink splotches around his mouth area and he does have blue eyes ..he also has 2 small white spots on his left shoulder...when I talked to his breeder, who owned JGB she told me he carried Splash...I had my boy tested to be sure as I wanted to breed to a positive mare and he came back negative. So I considered he was Splash..she produced a black and white medicine hat like she always does..go figure. He also produced a buckskin pinto out of a bay pinto mare...but no splash (