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[mininik]

FMC Minis - fftopic:{Where did these horses' registrations become important? I don't think that is of any concern in caring for them. Just in someone's future attempt to breed to them.}

It can actually be easier to find homes for horses who have registration papers, even geldings.

 

[RJRMINIS]

If he is willing to give them, at least you will know ages and more info on the horses as well.

 

[Okie BB]

I read the story on the minis in Kansas and was so sickend by the pictures that I actually got on CBS's website and then posted a message on the "60 Minutes" site and asked then to look into what is going on up in Uniontown,Kansas. I sure hope that helps out. I'm not some kind of bleeding heart or anything but this kind of treatment of "any" animal should be dealt with severly,fines and prison terms!

My wife Mary and I don't have a lot of money but our minis are well taken care of and loved because they are like family to us!

Sorry about the tirade but those pictures made me so mad!

Thanks,

Billy Bennett

Shawnee,Ok.

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[FMC Minis]

Those reasons make sense...Thank you for clarifying a little more. that is If you can tell who they belong to?

 

[RJRMINIS]

KSCowgirl, A Prowler would be great. I have a gold cart but don't think it would be much good on the rough pasture. Besides my truck will be full of panels! Sp Please, bring it.

Ginny

Yep, it is good for rough terrain, and it is 4wd too. Just let me know!

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[windemereminis]

I will post the information that I received from the quarantine facility.

Can anyone tell me how to post the actual email that I received? Give me

detailed instructions on how to accomplish that if you would please.

Thanks

Janet

 

[Buckskin gal]

Just copy it from the email and paste in your message here.

I will post the information that I received from the quarantine facility.

Can anyone tell me how to post the actual email that I received? Give me

detailed instructions on how to accomplish that if you would please.

Thanks

Janet

 

[virginia]

FMC All good questions. Due to the circumstances involved please bear with me on all these rules and regulations. We've never had this kind of situation before where we need so many homes. We're learning as we're go.

OK, first, the membership fees are waived. If you can Foster, we still need to know who you are, where you live and how to contact you. We would like if possible the name and phone # of your Vet. So please fill out the forms and send them back to Shannon. The minis are being turned over to CMHR and we need to be responsible for where they go.

As for fencing, shelter, whatever is good for you and your minis is good enough for CMHR.

This is not a time for us to be sticklers on details. The main focus is to get these minis out from where they are into a place where they will be cared for.

Now, the money problem. We will pay for any medical and if necessary, food as long as we have funds in the treasury. Donations have been slow (only 10 via Paypal) and it's too early to get checks by mail. Hopefully when we get official word as to when we can go in, the donations will pick up.

As of right now, the people coming to help will be the first ones to Foster. It is going to be extremely difficult to get homes for that many minis in one state. What we are hoping as the minis who are fostered gain in strength, we can get health papers then we can arrange transport to other states.

If we have more minis than homes...to be honest, I don't know. They may have to be left there under the supervision of the Sheriffs dept.

I wish I had all the answers, but I don't.

Ginny

 

[dgrminis]

Ok -- is this a for sure go now or not?? From what I have read we are still waiting is that right???

 

[Vicky Texas]

I am wondering if Vern Trembly is sick or something? I feel badly for the poor thin horses but also for Vern. I met him years ago when he lived in Colorado and bought my little stallion Vega Light Vant Huttenest from him right before he was forced to move due to a divorce. He took all his horses to Kansas himself. When I went to his farm in Colorado to get Vega, his horses were healthy and fat and happy. And he adored them and they adored him. It was obvious. He was not what I would call a puppy mill. He didn't even have that many foals, but loved his herd who came running when he whistled for them. I watched it! He appeared to be an older man then, and that was 12 years ago. He did call me a few times but it has been a long time now. I know he had some health problems though I can't remember exactly what. I think some were heart related. So to see his horses in this condition makes me really wonder what happened to him. I wish he had contacted people for help before they reached this condition but I wanted people to know he was a good and caring man back then, when I met him and when I talked to him over the years. I think the Vern I met would have fed his horses before himself! He was definitely not an Evil person!

A picture of him was in the Mniature Horse World with his buckskin hitch of 8 minis lots of times on the Rocky Mountain Club page. And he loved training them to drive. He was very proud of his horses and they were what kept him going after his divorce, so I feel something else must have happened that we do not know.

What a sad sad situation.

Susan O.

I so agree these pictures make me beyond sick. But after reading this post.. Has anyone thought to call

and talk to the owner or go see him. To see first is he okay, is he of sound mind? Will he give the horses

to someone to get them the help needed and adopt them out? If the person above truly loves them, then

he might be willing to give them up. Maybe his mind is not what it needs to be to take of these horses.

Maybe with someone talking reason to him, or the owners they would be willing to surrender them?

I do think something needs to happen fast, and to help these horses. They are beyond so heart breaking.

It just makes me cry, it just breaks my heart. Could some mini farm who is near go see him and talk to

the owner. Maybe they are not realizing the condition's. Maybe their mind is not getting it.........

Something is so wrong here, to read about the above, and to think the person loved them that much, and

see these pictures. I can hope anyways, its their mind, I don't know anyone could let any animal starve. I

feed all animal's who come here.

Maybe he would let someone have them. I know if God forbid I could not feed mine, I would so give them to other farms first before letting this happen.

These horses need help..

Vicky

 

[J.E.F.]

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I have been asked to do this update about the Minis in Kansas...


[SIZE=18pt]CMHR is a voluntary surrender rescue. We donot have seizure authority. We must work through the legal authorities.[/SIZE]

 


All we know right now is that the Vet has told the Sheriff that he has to get rid of at least 53 of them. The Sheriff has the same concerns as CMHR that if he cant care for the total number how is he going to care for what is left after he gets rid of the 53?

 


The Sheriff has requested that we do not contact the owner until he has a chance to discuss the surrender with him. He feels that he can get him to surrender them voluntarily.

 


If and this is a big IF he doesnt want to do this the Sheriff will have to request a seizure order. this means that the owner can contest the seizure and drag this out for a long time up to a year or more.

 


If it has to go to court there will be at least two trials the seizure trial and then his case.

 


This is why it is taking so long to get a determination on the minis.


With this being said: Know that they are under a vets care now and have hay and feed and fresh water. The legal system moves slow However, they are not being ignored right now. This is due to your efforts and assistance contacting them. I thank you for these efforts.

 


The sheriff will call me Monday or Tuesday with information on the surrender of the horses.


should we get just the 53 worst ones then we will need places to place them in the state until health certificates can be obtained so they can be moved out of state. At that time we can look for homes out of state.

 


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[FMC Minis]

Ginny~Thank you...that answered several important questions!

I will inform the one's who were asking and see if we can bump up the number of foster homes.

Thanks for all your hard work.

 

[Buckskin gal]

I am sure glad to hear that the horses are under a vets care IF that means the horses are being caught and treated, as needed. It seems there would be exceptions to the laws in cases where the animals are in such serious condition and not being taken care of BUT if they are getting their needs met right there on Trembly's place, all the better for them. Does anyone know if he has the finances to pay for the vet care? IF these horses are being treated by good vet, he surely must have his hands full but if he is able to treat them I think that would mean the rescuers shouldn't have too difficult of time in catching them for removal from the place. :no: Mary

 

[MBhorses]

:no: I just now read this post. I was heart broken by this story of these minis. I pray for the minis get the proper care they need and/or new homes. Please keep us posted.

 

[FMC Minis]

I am sure glad to hear that the horses are under a vets care IF that means the horses are being caught and treated, as needed. It seems there would be exceptions to the laws in cases where the animals are in such serious condition and not being taken care of BUT if they are getting their needs met right there on Trembly's place, all the better for them. Does anyone know if he has the finances to pay for the vet care? IF these horses are being treated by good vet, he surely must have his hands full but if he is able to treat them I think that would mean the rescuers shouldn't have too difficult of time in catching them for removal from the place. :no: Mary

[SIZE=12pt] :aktion033: A recommended equine specialist in that area...Lora Holeman (620-939-4347).[/SIZE]If she could be of help Jess or Ginny please contact her. Sounds to me like she would be of good help, being an equine specialist and not just an ordinary vet.

 

[AppyLover2]

Here is the response Janet got when she contacted an equine quarantine facility about safe procedures for foster care.

A big Thank You to Dianne & Terry at EZ2Spot Ranch in Texas for their response to her questions.

"...here's my advice.
I would most definitely keep them in an isolated area (at least 30-35 feet away from the others) for at least one full month and keep a close eye on them for signs of illness. If there's any sign of infectious disease or parasite infestation within that time, add on another 30 days after treatment has begun. At the end of the isolation period, I'd get them checked out by the vet before you integrate them into your herd.

Make sure that the area in which they are kept does not drain into an area used by other horses and that they don't share a water source, such as a pond or stream.

Also, make sure it is well-ventilated so that any airborne pathogens will dissipate before they reach the others.

Treat them for parasites, both externally and internally, when they arrive and make sure that your own horses are up-to-date on vaccinations.

If you follow those procedures, you should be able to provide foster care and prevent the spread of infection at the same time."

Edited to add additional info:

As to external parasites, (ticks, etc) you can get a commercial dust and use it on them. I'm in Oklahoma, so I cannot look at the brand. I think I got it at Tractor Supply.
As to worming, I would probably wait a week to let them get used to getting enough to eat, so they won't bolt their food. If you couple an abundance of feed with the "effects" of the wormer you could end up with impaction, and the resulting colic.

Vaccinating should be fine as long as they are in relatively good health to begin with. Thin is ok, but if they have indications of illness it might be better to wait a bit. And, since you (probably) don't have an accurate record of their care, I would start as if they had never been vaccinated and do the complete series.

If they have any nasal discharge, or "cruddies" around their eyes, I would probably put them on Sulfamethoxizole/Trimetheprim for about 5 days just to be sure.

 

[HGFarm]

Jess, thanks for the post there. I know it is frustrating, but am glad to see that you are letting things be done legally and in the right manner, without being pushy or trying to offend anyone- including Mr. Trembly. I feel sorry for the guy really, and for the horses.

It's appalling to see their condition, but sometimes the elderly dont need dementia to just not think straight sometimes.

 

[Buckskin gal]

This statement is troubling "The Sheriff has requested that we do not contact the owner until he has a chance to discuss the surrender with him. He feels that he can get him to surrender them voluntarily."

Hasn't the sheriff had the chance in the past few days to discuss the surrender of these horses? If Trembly loves these horses there shouldn't have to be a discussion, he would willingly let them go to where they will be truly loved!

: I can't feel sympathy for a person who is well enough to be up and around and eating his meals but not seeing that his "loved" horses were severely malnurished and badly needed immediate attention. If Trembly can't see what he has done wrong and won't give them up, maybe he will need to hear from all of us yet!

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: Mary

 

[Minimor]

If the sheriff has requested that Vern not be contacted, I'm sure it's for the best.

Having had a great-aunt that could feed & clothe herself yet was convinced that all of her neighbors were across the hedge talking about her (they weren't!) and believed that in just an hour or two (on any given day!) the Queen was coming to have tea with her...

And having a neighbor in the apartment block who could feed & clothe herself, yet at times was totally unaware that she'd left a pot on the stove until it burned dry...and even then didn't notice the smoke....

Well, not knowing Vern's circumstances and in view of the people mentioned above, I can reserve judgment even while being incredibly saddened by the plight of these poor horses.

I think some here simply have no idea what it can be like for some older people.

I hope that no one will do anything to jeopardize the chances of the sheriff talking Vern into voluntarily surrendering his horses. Remember the Mini rescue case in the northeast a year or two ago? Remember how that dragged on? It seemed perfectly obvious to all of us that the horses needed to be gotten out of the home they were in, and yet it was such a long, drawn out, heartbreaking process for the rescuers. I just hope that this will not go that direction.

 

[Buckskin gal]

"I think some here simply have no idea what it can be like for some older people. "

Don't know who you were referring to as not being aware of what it is like for the "older" people but I do know that my hubby and I are those "senior citizens" so I think I can speak up about being older. Being older does not relieve us of our responsibilities of caring for what we choose to own. It does not relieve us of following the laws either. As older people we should definitely have more knowledge from living to know right from wrong and it is just plain wrong to keep animals and allow them to come to look like those in the pictures!

If I allowed my horses to come to look like that, no matter what reason, I would expect sympathy from no one and would not deserve it. No matter what a persons age is,they should be held accountable and not be breaking the laws and if they break the laws there are consquences to pay. We don't know if this guy has dementia or anything else other than we were told he has had some heart problems. IF he does have dementia, all the more reason to have the horses taken out of there. The problem with excusing a person who owns horses of allowing them to get that malnurished is any one can then come up with the excuse for neglect and animals will continually suffer and/or die. We do have responsibilities even when we are old and we can make excuses for our age but we should not take on more than what we can appropritely care for and then expect sympathy...yea it is no fun getting older but that is a fact of life that we have to deal with . It is something we get from wanting to live so long! Be kind to all,but don't allow anyone one young or old to mistreat, neglect, or abuse something that totally depends on you for it's survival. Mary