75 - 125 Kansas Minis "OMG Please help by WRITING!!"

[wpsellwood]

Makes me sick I cant believe they are left there. I spoke with a friend and they said they went out there one winter to look at these horses and all of the troughs were froze over and they had nothing to drink. They broke all the tanks this has been several years ago. Who will breaking ice this winter???

 

[Buckskin gal]

Laurie said "I hope the folks that tipped him off and were worried that he might 'lose his herd' are happy. Maybe they could go out daily and feed and water, and doctor the ones that need it and take care of this mess? Have they taken a GOOD LOOK at the conditions there and of the horses? Maybe they could sit out in the cold and hold the dying horses head in their lap while it takes it's last breath and pretend that they really care. They were concerned he might lose his herd, but NOT concerned enough to help him, or to help them all this time. "

I second that Laurie!! Someone isn't thinking of the creatures that depend on good ownership if they were trying to protect him!

: Marty thank you for being part of the rescue and saying it so well. Mary

 

[miniwhinny]

:no:

 

[hahler]

When i volunteered my company to do the farrier work for this rescue it will still stand.

we will do them when ever it is needed. maybe not now but eventually our services will be needed (i actually hope not) to help CMHR with what ever rescue is at hand.

Ginny count us in we will be there

dawn

P.S. The barracuda hoof trimmers just arrived

 

[Margo_C-T]

I have followed this thread with great concern, from the first post and those terrible photos. I am VERY sad to see how it has turned out, but not really surprised--as has been said, so many states' laws about humane treatment of animals are so pitifully weak-my own state included.

I believe Marty hit the nail RIGHT on the head; this is a hoarding situation, and will almost certainly NOT be resolved, but will come back with a vengeance, likely at the hardest time of the year! Hoarders ALWAYS profess 'love' for their animals, usually while apparently being completely BLIND to the animals' pitiful condition!! This in NO way excuses them--in fact, it makes rescue of the animals even more urgent, as the hoarder is NEVER going to acknowledge that there is ANY problem...

I recall that this 'gentleman' used to make 'appearances'(not in the show ring) at the Estes Park show in its earliest days, with a six(?) horse hitch of buckskins-this when he still lived in CO. He was said to be 'eccentric' even then; I remember being told, by more than one person, that he would not sell a mare, only stallions--at least, the buckskin ones, which he was partial to. On reflection, I'd consider this 'I'm keeping them' attitude to be classic hoarding behavior---JMO.

I will be sending a contribution to CMHR, small though it must be( I have had to make the EXTREMELY hard decision to part with my 'big' mare, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the increasing cost of keeping, feeding, and otherwise providing for her...I love my minis, and really hope to keep, and continue to properly care for,all of them I now have, so...a choice HAD to be made.)It won't be earmarked for only this cause, because there will ALWAYS be another abuser/neglectful owner around the next corner...and I'd urge that all who have been and are contributing to do the same. I deeply respect and admire those who have been so involved and work so hard in this and the other rescue causes of CMHR. It is VERY difficult and heartrending work,of that I am very sure.

With appreciation to CMHR,

Margo

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Ok everyone... HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS.....But....

Rabbit I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!

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I dont even think it is a hoarder situation I think it is more of an ego situation and for those that warned him. and yet didnt offer to HELP the horses before this SHAME ON YOU

 

[Charlie Horse Acres]

I hate the cold and I hate winter. Keep thinking I need to move farther south. BUT if we have to go in there when it is 20 below count me in.

Does he have horses for sale? What kind of price could he be asking for horses in this shape? Are they registered and what registry?

I hope this does not sound bad but if he has any of them for sale could we help him get them sold? Find them a home where they would be taken care of. One horse at a time is better than saving none.

Again, hope you don't take this wrong. Just trying to see if there is still something that could be done.

 

[Mona]

OK, I have had time to think...I am SOOOOOO ANGRY! Anyway, a couple of questions I hope can be answered are:

1. In 30 days, has the Sheriff said SPECIFICALLY what he NEEDS to see in the way of inprovement before making his decision? Like do they just have to have feed and water, or ????

2 . It was said the vet is going to individual checks on all horses, and is going to dewom(and vaccinate?) all. WHO is paying for this then? I hope like HE_L it is not the rescues! If they are giving this man his horses, it is HIS fault they are like this, and HE wants to be responsible for them, then HE better be the one paying for all those vet fees!!! NO, I don;t want the horses to suffer, they deserve to be taken care of, BUT, I feel when the sheriff made his decision, that that should have been a stipulation!

And finally, I wonder if we could find 150 people to comit to each buying one horse at $100 each if we could get them out of there?? That would be offering the guy a lump sum of $15,000??? But this would need to be done all at one time, and first, we would need the people to comit. I will start by placing my name at the top of the list. If you feel you can adopt one or more, please copy and past the list into the next message adding the next number in sequence. Heck, it might just work!

1. Mona Stone

 

[SunQuest]

It is my beleif that most states will give a second chance to people who are accused of abusing an animal when the vet determines that the animal is "not in emminant danger". The reasons are many for this, primarily that the laws are too weak, the costs too high to fight it in a court, and that it is not a priority as it is just an animal.

As we know, CMHR is specifically a non-seizure rescue. CMHR will not go and force animals to be turned over to CMHR and there was good reason for that. This keeps the money helping those animals that are in need instead of using it to fight lawsuits, and I can say there is no shortage of need.

Now what I have to ask is this: Who knows the laws of Kansas reguarding animal cruelty? Well, here they are as was posted on the Kansas Animal Health Department website at http://www.kansas.gov/kahd/laws/animal_cruelty.shtml. Note that the KS Animal Health Department does NOT help with abuse cases. But they tell you to contact the following (Most of which have been done):

If you have a cruelty complaint, please contact your:Local animal control office

City law enforcement officials

County sheriff

County attorney

K.S.A. 21-4310 - Cruelty to animals

• a. Cruelty to animals is: (1) Intentionally killing, injuring, maiming, torturing or mutilating any animal;

(2) abandoning or leaving any animal in any place without making provisions for its proper care;

(3) having physical custody of any animal and failing to provide such food, potable water, protection from the elements, opportunity for exercise and other care as is needed for the health or well-being of such kind of animal; or

(4) intentionally using a wire, pole, stick, rope or any other object to cause an equine to lose its balance or fall, for the purpose of sport or entertainment.

b. The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

• (1) Normal or accepted veterinary practices;

(2) bona fide experiments carried on by commonly recognized research facilities;

(3) killing, attempting to kill, trapping, catching or taking of any animal in accordance with the provisions of chapter 32 or chapter 47 of the Kansas Statutes Annotated;

(4) rodeo practices accepted by the rodeo cowboys' association;

(5) the humane killing of an animal which is diseased or disabled beyond recovery for any useful purpose, or the humane killing of animals for population control, by the owner thereof or the agent of such owner residing outside of a city or the owner thereof within a city if no animal shelter, pound or licensed veterinarian is within the city, or by a licensed veterinarian at the request of the owner thereof, or by any officer or agent of an incorporated humane society, the operator of an animal shelter or pound, a local or state health officer or a licensed veterinarian three business days following the receipt of any such animal at such society, shelter or pound;

(6) with respect to farm animals, normal or accepted practices of animal husbandry;

(7) the killing of any animal by any person at any time which may be found outside of the owned or rented property of the owner or custodian of such animal and which is found injuring or posing a threat to any person, farm animal or property;

(8) an animal control officer trained by a licensed veterinarian in the use of a tranquilizer gun, using such gun with the appropriate dosage for the size of the animal, when such animal is vicious or could not be captured after reasonable attempts using other methods; or

(9) laying an equine down for medical or identification purposes.

c. As used in this section, "equine" means a horse, pony, mule, jenny, donkey or hinny. d. Cruelty to animals is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

K.S.A. 21-4311 - Cruelty to animals; custody of animal; disposition; damages for killing, when; expenses of care assessed owner, when; duty of county or district attorney.

• a.Any public health officer, law enforcement officer, licensed veterinarian or officer or agent of any incorporated humane society, animal shelter or other appropriate facility may take into custody any animal, upon either private or public property, which clearly shows evidence of cruelty to animals, as defined in K.S.A. 21-4310 and amendments thereto. Such officer, agent or veterinarian may inspect, care for or treat such animal or place such animal in the care of a duly incorporated humane society or licensed veterinarian for treatment, boarding or other care or, if an officer of such humane society or such veterinarian determines that the animal appears to be diseased or disabled beyond recovery for any useful purpose, for humane killing. If the animal is placed in the care of an animal shelter, the animal shelter shall notify the owner or custodian, if known or reasonably ascertainable. If the owner or custodian is charged with a violation of K.S.A. 21-4310, and amendments thereto, the board of county commissioners in the county where the animal was taken into custody shall establish and approve procedures whereby the animal shelter may petition the district court to be allowed to place the animal for adoption or euthanize the animal at any time after 20 days after the owner or custodian is notified or, if the owner or custodian is not known or reasonably ascertainable after 20 days after the animal is taken into custody, unless the owner or custodian of the animal files a renewable cash or performance bond with the county clerk of the county where the animal is being held, in an amount equal to not less than the cost of care and treatment of the animal for 30 days. Upon receiving such petition, the court shall determine whether the animal may be placed for adoption or euthanized. The board of county commissioners in the county where the animal was taken into custody shall review the cost of care and treatment being charged by the animal shelter maintaining the animal.

b.

• The owner or custodian of an animal placed for adoption or killed pursuant to subsection (a) shall not be entitled to recover damages for the placement or killing of such animal unless the owner proves that such placement or killing was unwarranted.

c.

• Expenses incurred for the care, treatment or boarding of any animal, taken into custody pursuant to subsection (a), pending prosecution of the owner or custodian of such animal for the crime of cruelty to animals, as defined in K.S.A. 21-4310 and amendments thereto, shall be assessed to the owner or custodian as a cost of the case if the owner or custodian is adjudicated guilty of such crime.

d.

• Upon the filing of a sworn complaint by any public health officer, law enforcement officer, licensed veterinarian or officer or agent of any incorporated humane society, animal shelter or other appropriate facility alleging the commission of cruelty to animals, as defined in K.S.A. 21-4310 and amendments thereto, the county or district attorney shall determine the validity of the complaint and shall forthwith file charges for the crime if the complaint appears to be valid.

e.

• If a person is adjudicated guilty of the crime of cruelty to animals, as defined in K.S.A. 21-4310 and amendments thereto, and the court having jurisdiction is satisfied that an animal owned or possessed by such person would be in the future subjected to such crime, such animal shall not be returned to or remain with such person. Such animal may be turned over to a duly incorporated humane society or licensed veterinarian for sale or other disposition.

Looking at the above laws, it appears that unless the sheriff and vet are willing to file an official report to force this to go to court, there is nothing that we can do other than to make sure that the sheriff and veterinarian are making sure these animals get the care that should be given as good animal husbandry as set by industry standards. (Whose standard? Yours? Mine? "Puppy" Mill? You get the general drift.... what we say is standard may not be what the owner or a vet says is standard.) And I personally also beleive that the sherif and veterinarian are doing everything they can to work with the owner so that they are not held personally accountable *IF* the owner were to be found inocent in court.

Now no matter what my personal feelings are in this case, I will keep an open mind, not because I want to, but because it will be so much easier to work with the owner and try to get on his good side so he will work with us. THAT IS THE HARD PART of what CMHR does and honestly goes against every bone in the bodies of everyone who has been involved with CMHR.

We, as a forum, can help as well. We need to be cordial in order to have the owner willing to consider allowing CMHR, which is HEAVILY backed by this form, and us as individuals to help. This means not posting nasty comments. It means not passing judgement. It means trying to focus on putting our efforts into supplying help and gaining the trust needed to let us help.

And before I am flamed for the above, NO, I DO NOT CONDONE the actions that lead to the current state with these horses. But it is better that I withhold judgement so that these horses have a chance to get help.

 

[virginia]

Please know that CMHR has not given up. I've been in rescue one way or another for some time and know a situation like this will improve for only a short time, then the same old uncaring situation will rear it's ugly head. The only positive thing I can see in this is that the minis will get wormed, (the Vet, we are told is a woman and specializes in minis) We were not given her name. but she is supposed to worm them all now, then again in 3 weeks and then 30 days from then, she is also going to give them vaccine and take care of their hooves. Sure hope she has a lot of help. Mr Trembly will be footing the bill.

I am heartsick over this but it was not unexpected. Jess is now trying to contact Mr Trembly and offer our help in placing some of the minis. So Foster Homes be prepared. At least we will know they will have had shots and worming and may be eligible to be moved out of state. All we can do now is pray that he listens to reason.

Thank you all for the wonderful work that went into letter writing, emails, etc because without them the minis would still be starving and uncared for. At least now they will get some care for a while. Geez, I hate winter rescues, it is just so much harder on all involved.

To all those that have donated and offered to donate time, homes, trailers, halters, leads etc you have my heartfelt thanks and those of all CMHR members. I still have that gut feeling that everything will eventually be used.

Thank you all,

Ginny, President, CMHR

 

[StarRidgeAcres]

1. Mona Stone

2. Parmela Bonney

3. Parmela Bonney

4. Parmela Bonney

5. Parmela Bonney

6. Parmela Bonney (I'll purchase 5, maybe more if it comes to that)

My offer to foster 20 still stands if they can ever be gotten out of the God forsaken situation they're in! This whole situation just stinks. Yes, I understand there are laws and that they offer oppotunities in some cases for people to make things right. But, if money isn't the problem, then why in the #&%$ isn't someone being hired to feed/water/care for them?? How many dead foals and mares will have to be found on that property for something to be done? Is the sheriff going to pry up the frozen foals off the ground this winter? Let's face it, if this person isn't taking care of these animals under pretty, blue skies with warm winds, what's he going to do during snowstorms? This whole thing makes me sick! :smileypuke:

And, NO pigs aren't flying, but I AGREE with Rabbitt!!!

 

[AppyLover2]

:aktion033: :aktion033: Very well said Nila.

I know we're all terribly frustrated and upset over this decision and we all want to see the little ones in a better place, but a renewal of the character assignation that is scattered all through this thread won't help the horses.

All any of us really know is what we saw in those pictures; the rest is our individual assumptions about whether "love" or "criminal" activity is involved. It looks like we all feel that this isn't the end of this issue. If we're right, CMHR (and we, because our involvement) must be looked at as responsible, mature individuals. Ginny said Jeff is going to contact Mr Trembly again, but why would anyone be willing to work with people who have villified him to the extent some of us have. When we need to vent maybe we could PM someone who agrees with our opinion, rather than posting it on this forum for the world to see.

Like Nila said, we need to work at gaining the trust and respect of everyone involved - the sheriff, the vet and Mr. Trembly.

 

[virginia]

Stone

2. Parmela Bonney

3. Parmela Bonney

4. Parmela Bonney

5. Parmela Bonney

6. Parmela Bonney (I'll purchase 5, maybe more if it comes to that) My offer to foster 20 still stands if they can ever be gotten out of the God forsaken situation they're in! This whole situation just stinks. Yes, I understand there are laws and that they offer oppotunities in some cases for people to make things right. But, if money isn't the problem, then why in the #&%$ isn't someone being hired to feed/water/care for them?? How many dead foals and mares will have to be found on that property for something to be done? Is the sheriff going to pry up the frozen foals off the ground this winter? Let's face it, if this person isn't taking care of these animals under pretty, blue skies with warm winds, what's he going to do during snowstorms? This whole thing makes me sick!

7 Ginny St Pierre I'll take a couple

 

[mininik]

Could someone who is in contact with the owner please ask if he'll at least SELL the gelding as well as the skinniest horses? If not for $100., then what would he accept as payment?

 

[Mona]

And I said I would foster up to 3, so here are 2 more for me...

1. Mona Stone

2. Parmela Bonney

3. Parmela Bonney

4. Parmela Bonney

5. Parmela Bonney

6. Parmela Bonney

7. Virginia St. Pierre

8. Virginia St. Pierre

9. Mona Stone

10. Mona Stone

Sorry Ginny, I saw you had just posted you would take 2, so I added mine after yours.

 

[joyenes]

1. Mona Stone

2. Parmela Bonney

3. Parmela Bonney

4. Parmela Bonney

5. Parmela Bonney

6. Parmela Bonney

7. Ginny St Pierre I'll take a couple

8. Joyce Kenes

9. Virginia St. Pierre

10. Mona Stone

11. Mona Stone

How sad that this man is getting a second chance :no: Being he has the money to care for the horses just really put me over the edge. The law is crazy if they don't think these animals don't need to be removed now while there is still a chance they can be helped. I wonder how many dead animals are spread out on that 80 acres already, let alone after winter hits.

Joyce

 

[CyndiD]

I will take one...

:

1. Mona Stone

2. Parmela Bonney

3. Parmela Bonney

4. Parmela Bonney

5. Parmela Bonney

6. Parmela Bonney

7. Ginny St Pierre I'll take a couple

8. Joyce Kenes

9. Virginia St. Pierre

10. Mona Stone

11. Mona Stone

12. Cyndi Doss

 

[FMC Minis]

:aktion033: I trully agree with there is no exception for their conditions, knowing he isn't struggling to survive financially. :aktion033:

If he has the money and is going to buy more property...why doesn't he spend some to put a mobile home out on some of what he has so he is available to be there. And hiring a good school kid to do chores is a great idea!

The people that are friends and warned him, aren't his horses' friends at all. The whole point of this forum was to discuss ways of helping and all they are doing is trying to take that away from Mr. Trembly.

I think the offering to purchase is still a good idea. On the unhealthier ones, could be 2 for $100 (per their needs for more care and costs down the road).

I am not in the position to offer to pay for them, but will fill out the app for foster if there are more gotten then can be put in homes, we will be available.

: Thanks to all for offering what they can to help them one way or another. :cheeky-smiley-006:

 

[lvponies]

I am saddened to read today's updates, but not at all surprised. :no:

 

[FMC Minis]

Tally:

3 Mona Stone

5 Parmela Bonney

2 Ginny St Pierre I'll take a couple

1 Joyce Kenes

1 Cyndi Doss

12 so far.

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