a plea! to newbies

[disneyhorse]

I apologize for causing a ruckus! I am NOT calling anyone a liar! I did just go to your website and saw the additional picture of this mare, and see that she is a silver dapple. I can see that the second horse has hair rubbed off on it's neck and butt, and the second horse is very very sad.

I just can't see how the pinto markings are the same though! I tried to look very, very close!

Have you seen your mare in person yet? Maybe there is a slight possibility that this second horse isn't your sweet girl... I am just suspicious that maybe they have an older, abused horse that isn't your horse? Does that make sense?

Horse abuse in ANY form is something to be ashamed of... and it is VERY sad that newbies can't feel through fur and I am sad every time I see it.

The good news is that horses can be nourished and loved back into health, which I am very certain will happen to this horse when it comes home...

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Andrea

 

[Nickermaker]

I to would be skeptical on if this was the horse I had originally sold to them. Seems that the marks don't match up to what is on the first picture. For one thing it has dark from the rearend further up towards the mane in the second pic than the first - the first shows it being more white.

Has she been DNA tested - if so it might be worth sending in to get the horse checked to make sure it is the same one that you sold to begin with.

And no I'm not calling anyone a liar either - but some of the other markings don't seem to match exactly either. I think I would be getting DNA test done.

 

[tagalong]

Have you seen your mare in person yet? Maybe there is a slight possibility that this second horse isn't your sweet girl...

Seems that the marks don't match up to what is on the first picture. For one thing it has dark from the rearend further up towards the mane in the second pic than the first - the first shows it being more white. Has she been DNA tested - if so it might be worth sending in to get the horse checked to make sure it is the same one that you sold to begin with.

Don't some of you actually READ a post or thread before you reply??!! Yikes. Bitsy has the mare in her possession - read her first post again. SHE took the picture, SHE knows her mare - and she even edited to say it was her mare - and explained about the hair being rubbed off - and yet some of you still can tell from one small pic that it is not the same horse.

Amazing.

: Poor Bitsy

: - too stupid to realize that the mare she knows and is glad to have back is not the same horse...

 

[lvponies]

I once sold a bred mini mare to a family that had limited experience with horses. I went over everything she ate and needed to eat during her pregnancy and after she foaled. These people brought her back to be bred back after she had foaled. That poor mare was skin and bones with a baby nursing!! She looked like a walking skeleton with a baby!! I was really shocked by her appearance. I talked to them about it and they said that someone had told them that "ponies" founder really easily and not to give her much feed. I have no idea why they chose to listen to someone who had no mini experience over me.

Needless to say, they did not buy any other minis from me!!

 

[kaykay]

i dont know how anyone can doubt that they are the same horse. The markings do line up!! Silver dapples are always way lighter in winter coat and especially when in poor condition. If you read her first post the horse is now at her farm. To imply that someone doesnt even know their own horse?? Bitsy im really sorry about your mare but I know you will get her back in condition asap. Just keep in mind it takes much longer to put weight on a horse then take it off. This is why we constantly edcuate people on feeding minis at CMHR. I cant tell you how many were told to feed a handful of hay and took it LITERALLY to mean one handful!!!

 

[Tobey]

I'm sorry your poor girl is in this shape. Glad she is home and you have a chance to get her healthy again!

PS The stallion in your avatar is one of my all time favorites...everytime I see his picture I have to stop and stare. It's taking me longer to read through the forum when you post, ya know!

I so agree!! You have some of the most beautiful marked horses!!!

 

[Frankie]

I am so glad she is back with you!!!!!!! I sure wish you and your mare the very best!!!!!

 

[Dona]

Come on people!

: Look closely at this mare & you can see she is definitely the same horse. Bitsy has already explained the color difference where she is rubbed out. Look at the pawprint spot on her side in the white close to the shoulder. You can see it in both photos.

: And, the reason the white looks further up closer to the shoulder in the first photo, is because that one was taken at a different angle...from the rear.

Bitsy.....I'm so glad you were able to get your beautiful mare back.....and I'm sure with your loving care, she will once again be as beautful as when she left you.

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[FFFoxyGal]

Bitsy,.....I am soo sorry for they shape your beautiful mare has come back to you in,..... :no:

I know that with your love and care,..She will be better again,....

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I am a NEWBIE!!!!,.....and even I know that you have to feed and love a horse,.....I am always checking Foxy over throughly ,..EACH and every day,...If she is not happy ,..Im not happy!!

(((hugs)))) to ya Bitsy,..and give your little mare a big hug from me too!

Terri :saludando:

 

[Beccy]

So glad that you have her back safe with you Bitsy, give her a hug from me!!

 

[Magic]

I dont believe anyone called her a liar just commenting on the difference in the way the horse looks period. I think the TRUE point here is that no horseman of any kind needs to FEEL a horse to see if it is starving and in horrible shape! It is something very easily seen with your eye if you have any horse experience and spend any amount of time with your horses JMO

If one's horses have several inches of hair, it makes sense to feel their bodies through that hair on a regular basis to make sure that they aren't getting too thin (or too FAT). It's a lot easier, and more humane, to adjust their feed immediately, than waiting til the situation has gone too far either way. Full size horses, or horses with lesser hair coats, it isn't as necessary.

Thanks for the insult, Lisa, but I have plenty of horse experience and spend plenty of time with my horses too.

: I just like to be extra careful when it comes to taking care of them.

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[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Wow Magic not sure why you are opting to make this a personal thing or to think that any of this was about you in any way sheesh

: however.. if for whatever reason you feel the need to continue to suggest it is... Please do so thru PM or email so as not to cloud anyone elses thread

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lol

: I simply said and stand behind the fact that someone didnt need to and doesnt need to FEEL a horse to see when it is bone thin or to see when a horse you own and know full coat or not has lost a significant amount of weight especially when out in the winter and in the weather as we all know snow or rain on a horse de fluffs them to see there true body condition- If you feel comfortable feeling your horses and it works for you by all means go for it however for anyone to use the excuse they didnt know they had to feel a horse to see its body condition and that is why a horse gets this thin.. well it is not an acceptable excuse for me anyway

Bitsy I am sure in no time this mare will be back to great health and looking great

 

[nicole]

Oh Bitsy I am soo very sorry, but she is back home now.

YES!! People check your horses, I can 't stress this enough.

I know of someone very close to me that does the same thing, and it drives me crazy.

They take very good care of their horses and will do anything for them but when it comes to the mares and the babies they just don't seem to get it and increase their feed. and they wonder why they have conception issues.

I try not to get my nose into their business but when it comes to my horses look out.

Good luck to you and I would really like to see pictures in a few months when you have her looking good again.

 

[Sue_C.]

Looks like you got her back just in time. for her to look this bad in winter-woolies...she has to be positively skeletal underneath.

Sorry that you had to go through such a thing, but good that you found out and got her back home.

I do however, disagree with this portion of your first post...vehemently!

These were good caring people who loved their horses, they just weren't paying attention.

Were these in fact, "good caring people who loved their horses" they would have been paying attention! Sorry if they are "friends" of yours...but they aren't friends of mine...and I call a spade-a spade.

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[Wally]

I sold 2 Icelandics to a chap about 4 years ago for his kids, they had been through a bad time and lost their mum to mental illness.

Hownever they didn't look after the horses, lost interest in them and they nearly starved to death.

Luckily we got to hear about them and we took them home. :no: :no: what a state they were in. Anyway, we got them signed over to us and are off to anew adopted home to live in luxury next week.

They come back very quickly with a bit of tlc.

 

[Michelle@wescofarms]

Thank you for sharing this. How horrible for your mare, she is fortunate to be back with you. It is easy for newbies, well meaning as they are, to not realize the condition of a horse, especially with their winter hair.

It really is important to really mentor people new to minis. I know of some horses from the same breeder that I bought my first minis from that went out of state. The poor things four of them came back here, they'd been starved, the owner assured us they were on a specific diet, etc., but it was June they hadn't shed out yet (coming from Texas 102 degree heat!), had lived in a round pen for over a year, just horrible condition. This person confused conditioned with skinny and had mares abort, etc. Terribly sad.

Although to admit it, I was in the opposite boat with my first mini. She was at the vet's being checked with her four month old daughter and he told me she needed to lose weight - 50 lbs - and this was with a baby at her side. She had convinced me the novice that she was 'starving'!

With new owners here, we do go over the feeding and how to check for body condition (hard on mine as they're all fat generally!), and I will have them feel the difference and/or describe a thin versus fat horse. It's just so hard once a horse leaves your care.

Again, so sorry for your mare, but glads she's back to get some TLC from you.

 

[KanoasDestiny]

I think the main thing is...someone who cares for their animals is not going to let their horses get to this point, whether newbies or not. Being new myself, I am willing to ask questions and find out how to check regularly and up/down size feed accordingly. The woman I am buying from walked me through the whole process with several of her horses and showed me exactly what to look for. Not alone several other women had already described it to me. I am very lucky to be able to ask questions until I get fullfilling responses, and to have such nice cooperating people willing to answer them. I feel that whether a person is knowledgeable or not about horses, it never hurts for sellers to still walk through the whole process with buyers. Bottom line...if you care for your animal, you will not let it get to the point of skin and bones!!!

 

[Jaysie]

Hi Bitsy im so sorry it must have been devastating to find a beloved mare like that.

But very glad shes home again with you all the best with her keep us updated on her progress. :bgrin

Also I agree the stallion in your avatar is the most stunningly marked horse I have laid my eyes on :new_shocked:

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