AMHA temp to perm

[Boinky]

ouch i've never looked into spaying..but i' would think where they have to go internally it make sence it's more..but $900 is alot..LOL you know even having a dog neutered around here is like $150+ then they wonder why people dont' want to spay/neuter? LOL

 

[just_4_kixx]

Funny that it’s cheaper to have a horse gelded here then to have a dog neutered there. I was thinking it would be around $200 on the mare, wow, was I wrong. I hope in time, they find a way to make it easier and cheaper to have mare’s spayed.

I hope in time, the registries will figure out something to make everyone equal. It’s only fair, especially hearing what it costs some of you to geld colts.

 

[Boinky]

i'm surprised they haven't used something like the human IUD's that prevent pregnancys ..i knwo there's also some things they do with women that arne't all that invasive and some creams to sterlize.. you'd think they could do something like that with a mare. quite franklyt hough i dont' think sterlizing big horse mares is much of an issue because 90\% of the population does not own stallions..most mares never get bred ect.. with mini's it's the opposite..everyone has mares and at least one stallion (good or bad ones) and just breeds year after year. so if you have a mare that you don't want bred or shouldnt' be.. if it's passed around it's likely to be bred no matter what.

 

[nootka]

I agree with and see Jean B's point of view.

I don't think anyone's TELLING you what to geld and what not to geld, outright, just to perhaps re-think the choice and with many people, the only way to give theme pause for thought is to make them reach for their wallet. This is not a complete solution, just a partial one, and I'm all for the extra going into a gelding incentive.

There ARE way too many breeding inferior stock, and I also wish it were cheaper to spay a mare. I have had two or three go through here (one that I bred) that I would have had done.

For me, it is $65 to geld, so I am fine with having it done financially, though the big incentive to me is to protect the stallion's value as well as showcase his get in the ring doing everything and anything. The horse in my avatar is just one of those (even though I gelded his sire, too).

Geldings are great fun!

Liz M.

 

[Boinky]

wholly smokes nootka.. $65.. i'm GREEN with jealousy! i really wish it was that cheap here. We dont' have that many vets in this area so i think partially it's price gouging to begin with. a little off topic but it also ticks me off that they changed the laws in maine so you can't purchase or give rabies shots to your animals.. BUT the vets are now up to $45.00 per shot.. WHOLLY FRIGGEN COW... it really ticks me off when you look in a vaccine magazine and they are no more than $2.00 per shot. I can see MAYBE $10.00..that's quite an increase in price and profit..but $45????? GIVE ME A BREAK..then they wonder why people don't vaccinate and the raise in cases of rabies goes up every year! plus rabies is such a contageous and highly deadly disease it's nuts not to make it more accessable and reasonable for people to get.

 

[sdmini]

The prices for registration are set by the membership at the annual meeting.

There was discussion on a significant raise in price for temp to perm on stallions stating just your reasoning, to make gelding more attractive and cost effective than taking a stallion perm, and the extra money would go to the gelding incentive fund.

Did this pass? I had heard it did but never what the dollars involved was. Honestly I think it will solve nothing but dump more money into for the gelding incentive which, although nice, helps such a select segment of the gelding population (Top Ten geldings in 11 classes at World).

It reminds me of the "concerned" people around here that raised the tax on cigarettes a dollar a pack to get people to stop smoking....but they are planning to this and that with the extra money the tax brings in. To me it sounds like smearing "for your own good" across an idea to bring in more money. (I don't smoke by the way.)

You want to do something for the gelding population make a gelding incentive like the QH association does. You enroll your gelding into the fund once for his entire life. At the end of each year they (AQHA) totals up how much money was brought in and how many points the incentive horses accumulated. These points are in all classes from halter to color, from driving to costume. Divide the money by number of point and you have established how much each point is worth. AQHA pays out tens of thousands of dollars annually. This program benefits ALL geldings being shown, from the local fairs to the National levels.

I have no issue with charging more to take a stud from temp. to perm. but lets try and put that money to something that is going to benifit more than a select class of people.

My vet charges $25 for gelding minis.

**Went and double checked and the Current AMHA incentive also pays six point placings in the performance classes**

 

[Boinky]

$25 is even better..wholly smokes I just need to move to SD I guess or someplace cheaper than here! Maine really stinks for just about everything. Taxes are high.. climate stinks, Vet care is high, everything is just high, now shows within 5 hours (alot more usually)..LOL

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

I have always found it a intersting argument that the reason the cost to go temp to perm is so high is to weed out inferior stallions..

First off the proof is in the pudding and really lets look at all those stallions now registered and think that is just one registry

: we are discussing now times that number by at least 2 when you figure in the other registry

Even if the price was raised to 200 lets be honest the issue with the majority is simply barn blindness. they can see the faults and issues in others horses and programs but somehow forget to include there own in any discussion so how would paying more change that?

I just dont see how that argument works or has worked in the past

 

[Ashley]

I believe its $60 to perm a stallion now.

It runs about $150 here for gelding. I dont have a problem gelding............my only problem is the boys dont want to participate in that so they keep the jewels hidden as long as possible.

For a dog runs $180- $200.

 

[ClickMini]

Well, this is a very interesting discussion. The "they" you are talking about is yourselves.

AMHA is a member owned and run organization. If you want to have a rule or fee changed, submit a change and the membership will vote on it! That is how it is set the way it is right now.

The fee increase will be up to $60 to bring your stallion permanent. The additional $10 will go into a gelding incentive pot that will pay out to the top horses in honor roll points. So you do NOT have to go to the World Show anymore to earn back your gelding incentive $$$.

Get involved in the registry and work for change if you want it, it is an option available to any member.

 

[mistyrose]

The ten dollar increase in fee goes entirely to the Honor roll gelding incentive. None of this fee will go to the national level. Honor roll points are all earned at the local and regional level.

Earleen Roberts is chair of the gelding incentive. If you want to contact her to help with getting incentives to geld her email is [email protected] I'm sure she would welcome all the help you all want to give her.

I come from the old school that if you want to complain, you need to step up and work to get it fixed.

 

[Buckskin gal]

I so agree Lisa. No way is raising the fee to $50.00 going to keep people from breeding inferior stallions. People may choose not to pay the $50.00 but the breeding will continue. Personally, I think there should be more of an incentative for breeders to geld rather than raise the price for reg. a stallion. It is easy to see that many breeders just do not geld their boys before selling...in fact they may want the buyer to geld but they won't.

: Happens all the time.

Breeders may complain about the costs of gelding what they bring into the world but any person who can afford the other costs of keeping horses should keep in mind their resonsibility to the breed also. Breeders should be responsible for the horses they bring into the world when it comes to gelding. Perhaps the registries should offer a $50.00 reward to every breeder who gelds their boys! Anyone have any other ideas to get those boys gelded and for that matter an incentative not to breed every mare also? Charging more to fix each and every problem just doesn't always cut it. Nope, bet the registries are only interested in getting more horses to register and market.

: And yes, every one does have the right to breed what they want and when they want but look at the future of each and every horse, PLEASE. Mary

I have always found it a intersting argument that the reason the cost to go temp to perm is so high is to weed out inferior stallions..

First off the proof is in the pudding and really lets look at all those stallions now registered and think that is just one registry

: we are discussing now times that number by at least 2 when you figure in the other registry

Even if the price was raised to 200 lets be honest the issue with the majority is simply barn blindness. they can see the faults and issues in others horses and programs but somehow forget to include there own in any discussion so how would paying more change that?

I just dont see how that argument works or has worked in the past

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Just wanted to say the bottom line is the fee is the fee.. and if you want to play you pay the fee.

I realize there is a cost to running any buisness- I really do understand that it is the defense of the it keeps inferior stallions out that I take issue with