HersheyMint
HersheyMint
I great pic of Billy I love your new avatar pic. Happy Easter
Billy
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I hated the idea of using a muzzle, but I hated the idea of confining him enough to do any good also. Fortunately, DJ adapted to wearing the muzzle really well. I hope you figure out what will work for you and Billy, and it's something you both can live with and be happy.
Besides my dil, who is a barefoot trimmer, I took Billy over to a neighbor today who had her farrier out. I wanted to get another opinion on Billy's hooves. He agreed about them being too long, but whereas my dil wants us to bring the toes back slowly--rather like trimming a dog's nails to make the quick recede--this guy says he would use the nippers an cut off the toes.
This seems extreme to me. I am opting for the slower process. Now, if I can only convince my current trimmer to cooperate. If he will not, I will consider changing trimmers.
My dil lives in British Columbia now. We had a phone conference.
This seems extreme to me. I am opting for the slower process. Now, if I can only convince my current trimmer to cooperate. If he will not, I will consider changing trimmers.
My dil lives in British Columbia now. We had a phone conference.
betwys1
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I tried quite hard to find an authority for a gradual trim method, rather than what Marsha calls the usual "extreme" method. I found one situation, where the hooves are overgrown and curled in a scroll. A Sawzall is sometimes used - but other farriers cut back the scrolled hoof in sections to guard against cutting an invasive blood vessel.
Hard to tell from this photo, perhaps. This is left fore. My dil suggests hoof knife/rasping the front 1/3 of the hoof, every 3 weeks. This is the gradual way to force the toe shorter.
The farrier yesterday wants to use nippers and cut off the toe about 1 1/2 inches. He says it won't hurt a thing and the horse wouldn't even be tender.
The "long" toe is from last fall's green grass. The tighter part is from winter grass. My goal is to keep him on dry lot through the spring grass time, at least. His extra weight is not helping. Hope we can get the toe shorter. Back toes are long also.
He is trimmed every 4 weeks. I'm just not sure my regular trimmer-guy is on top of this.
The farrier yesterday wants to use nippers and cut off the toe about 1 1/2 inches. He says it won't hurt a thing and the horse wouldn't even be tender.
The "long" toe is from last fall's green grass. The tighter part is from winter grass. My goal is to keep him on dry lot through the spring grass time, at least. His extra weight is not helping. Hope we can get the toe shorter. Back toes are long also.
He is trimmed every 4 weeks. I'm just not sure my regular trimmer-guy is on top of this.
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They don't look too bad to me. I've seen some pretty drastic changes made and the horse seemed to get immediate relief. The way I understand it is that the gradual method keeps stretching things out in there, so instead of a trim and then relief you get a gradual change, all the while the stresses are still on the hoof.
The 1 1/2" thing blows my mind!
Interesting!
I should also say that if my horses feet looked that long at 4 weeks I would be very suspicious of my farrier not doing what he is supposed to do. My mare grows like crazy, she would probably look similar at 8 weeks, but her growth is pretty even from toes to heels. Which is fun because she needs to be on a 6 week schedule and everyone else can go 8 weeks.
Yes, I have mentioned it for several times and he keeps trying to tell me it is appropriate for the angle. And I get this spiel about wild horses and barrel horses blah blah blah. Billy has nothing to do with those horses, so I'm not sure why he goes on about them. But he is temperamental and does not like to be criticized. Trimmers do not grow on trees, so I have always done my best to get along with him. Dapper Dan used to grow heel and had to be watched so he wasn't walking "on coffee cans". Billy has different feet. Difference between white and dark hooves???? Anyway, my sister is going to help me. An if my trimmer isn't receptive, I will move on.
They look long but not long enough to take 1 1/2 inches. That seems like a lot of hoof to remove. Even for a big horse that seems like a lot of hoof. Do you have any pictures of his foot from the side, on the ground?
He's looking pretty darn cute in those ears!
He's looking pretty darn cute in those ears!
It's hard to find a good farrier, and 90% of them are temperamental. I like the one I have now, but he doesn't like to do minis, so the first thing I need to find out before I get one is how good is it for the farrier? If it's even a little difficult I have to pass because I don't want him to quit. My mare tried to sit on him this last time, but she gets a free pass because she was having a bout of laminitis apparently.
I exaggerated the 1 1/2". Didn't have a ruler; he just indicated where he would nip and it looked drastic. I'm thinking the whole problem is my trimmer isn't doing his hooves correctly. Now I need to deal with it.
They each grow in their own way. It's hard to say what's appropriate without a side view at the pastern angle and how it comes from the hoof wall. The angle should match. Sometimes that means the heel should be pretty low, sometimes the hoof needs to be far more upright.
If you post a good picture of the hoof flat on the ground, from square on the side and from the back of it I'm sure you will get some critiques. To me they look a little long but nothing crazy, but it's tough to tell from those pictures.
Been out of town for nearly a week. Hubby kept an eye on Billy; I left him out in the pasture to make it easier. Gave him a good brush today and checked his feet. I think they are looking better; I whisked the rasp down on the toe, but will not interfere with any sole work.
I think he was glad to see me; especially the scritches.
I think he was glad to see me; especially the scritches.
HersheyMint
HersheyMint
I'm sure he was
Rainy, stormy weather so Billy has not kept to his dry lot regimen very well. I need to take him to the elevator to be weighed so I can see if we are making progress.
Trying to walk with him at least 3 times a week. Yesterday we walked with a neighbor who has a little Frosty. She pushed her baby in the stroller and led Frosty. Wasn't sure what billy would think about the stroller, but he was fine. We let Frosty and Billy touch noses, but that's as close as they got. They walked together very well. Frosty is a Play Day lead-line pony for the baby (not quite one year old).
We may walk again together frequently, now that we know it works.
2 miles.
Next week we go to the nursing home, so he will have a good bath.
Trying to walk with him at least 3 times a week. Yesterday we walked with a neighbor who has a little Frosty. She pushed her baby in the stroller and led Frosty. Wasn't sure what billy would think about the stroller, but he was fine. We let Frosty and Billy touch noses, but that's as close as they got. They walked together very well. Frosty is a Play Day lead-line pony for the baby (not quite one year old).
We may walk again together frequently, now that we know it works.
2 miles.
Next week we go to the nursing home, so he will have a good bath.
I made an appointment for Billy to have a full blood panel. My main concern will be liver results. They will check insulin levels. What else should I request?
I lost Dapper Dan a year ago to liver failure. Looking back, I think I recognize some things that should have been red flags. I continued to drive him and take him for walks till nearly the end--if I had known he was sick, I would have taken better care of him. So, I thought I'd have Billy checked, just in case he has any issues.
I did notice Dapper Dan's coat became dull and his tail flaccid toward the end. Billy's coat is nice and his tail is as muscular as ever.
I might request a rabies titer, too.
I lost Dapper Dan a year ago to liver failure. Looking back, I think I recognize some things that should have been red flags. I continued to drive him and take him for walks till nearly the end--if I had known he was sick, I would have taken better care of him. So, I thought I'd have Billy checked, just in case he has any issues.
I did notice Dapper Dan's coat became dull and his tail flaccid toward the end. Billy's coat is nice and his tail is as muscular as ever.
I might request a rabies titer, too.
I'd do the rabies titer. I do on mine every year. Have you had him checked for Cushing's? That might be something to check too.
Please don't ever think you needed to take better care of Dapper Dan, he got the best care and had the best home a horse could have. He was a very lucky little horse to have had you as his person. Billy is too!
Please don't ever think you needed to take better care of Dapper Dan, he got the best care and had the best home a horse could have. He was a very lucky little horse to have had you as his person. Billy is too!
