Blue Eyes

[Fantasia]

Some do, some don't. I have a chestnut and white with a large blaze which falls off the side of her face, sabino ticking. Two BROWN eyes. Daughter also has two brown eyes with white on the face. Both tobiano pintos. Daughter no ticking.

Had minimal buckskin pinto - no white on face two BLUE eyes.

I've had one with two blue eyes with big white blaze - according to breeder she was sabino carrier. Chestnut tobiano with sabino ticking. Sire had one blue eye - black tobiano. He has never thrown an overo to my knowledge and he has a lot of progeny out there. She had one foal with blaze and one blue eye, palominio (homozygeous for tobiano) pinto. One foal, loud pally tobiano, small blaze, two blue eyes. Other foals white on face with brown eyes. Have never had blue eyes with white around the eye. Whole line all has sabino ticking. All show tobiano patterning. If there is splash or frame there- it's hiding.

Only foal I've ever had which could even show maybe there is another pattern is 2008 filly. She has star, brown eyes, sabino ticking and a belly patch - of which is a common sabino marking. Her mother is a minimal light palomino with the lip markings and leg white required for sabino but she's so pale never knew she was until she produced this wee girl.

I have another filly who I bought in who has parents with brown eyes who has two blue eyes. Small star and snip on face. Can't speak with absolute certainty that there is no splash or frame hiding there - her dad is listed as having Rabacinno markings (form of roan). Tobiano patterning with one solid parent by solid parents by tobiano dad as mentioned.

And as bay doesn't show white on the face as easily as chestnut it still remains a mystery.

 

[Minimor]

All I know is my tobianos have no overo in them and we get blue eyes. So there is SOMETHING there.

Yes, something is there

—perhaps splash, or even LWO if you haven’t tested for it. Sorry, but there is nothing in your later post which “proves” that there is nothing but tobiano and/or sabino in your horses—you don’t see anything else, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Many, many people have been fooled about what pinto pattern their horses are hiding. Look at the “solid” horses that produce a lethal white foal—until that LWO+ foal was born the owner would have sworn that the sire (or dam, or both) were solids and couldn’t possibly be carrying the frame gene.

I've had one with two blue eyes with big white blaze - according to breeder she was sabino carrier.

again, she could also be carrying something else, even if the breeder doesn't know it.

My loud pinto mare, Jewell, has blue eyes--she has splash & tobiano, not sure about sabino, no frame. Her dam is solid, her sire a minimal tobiano--two hind stockings--and a spot of white on his face which must be the splash showing up. My sabino pintos all have dark eyes

 

[Dona]

Some do, some don't. I have a chestnut and white with a large blaze which falls off the side of her face, sabino ticking. Two BROWN eyes. Daughter also has two brown eyes with white on the face. Both tobiano pintos. Daughter no ticking.
Had minimal buckskin pinto - no white on face two BLUE eyes.

I've had one with two blue eyes with big white blaze - according to breeder she was sabino carrier. Chestnut tobiano with sabino ticking. Sire had one blue eye - black tobiano. He has never thrown an overo to my knowledge and he has a lot of progeny out there. She had one foal with blaze and one blue eye, palominio (homozygeous for tobiano) pinto. One foal, loud pally tobiano, small blaze, two blue eyes. Other foals white on face with brown eyes. Have never had blue eyes with white around the eye. Whole line all has sabino ticking. All show tobiano patterning. If there is splash or frame there- it's hiding.

Only foal I've ever had which could even show maybe there is another pattern is 2008 filly. She has star, brown eyes, sabino ticking and a belly patch - of which is a common sabino marking. Her mother is a minimal light palomino with the lip markings and leg white required for sabino but she's so pale never knew she was until she produced this wee girl.

I have another filly who I bought in who has parents with brown eyes who has two blue eyes. Small star and snip on face. Can't speak with absolute certainty that there is no splash or frame hiding there - her dad is listed as having Rabacinno markings (form of roan). Tobiano patterning with one solid parent by solid parents by tobiano dad as mentioned.

And as bay doesn't show white on the face as easily as chestnut it still remains a mystery.

Splash & Frame often DO hide.....especially when combined with other patterns such as Tobiano. But there mere fact that these horses have facial white and/or blue eyes indicates they are either carrying Splash or Frame. Believe me....people are fooled about this all the time. If they carry facial white....or blue eyes, you can bet they are carrying either Splash, Frame or both......in addition to any other pinto pattern.

 

[AnnaC]

This is a really interesting topic, but now you have me worried!!

Does anyone know whether a Falabella stallion, bred at the stud in Argentina, can carry LWO? I have a 4 year old mare who is black pinto with one blue eye. Her dam is full British Shetland, bay absolutely no markings, with no 'coloured' horses in her pedigree for 4 generations. The sire is my stallion Falabella Anselmo, who is liver with 4 small white socks - pic can be seen on Pictures and Videos, (see your stallions) page 6 (sorry cant post pics here right now). He carries colour and does throw it. BUT is it possible he carries LWO??? This young mare of mine is in foal for this year (first foal) to my imported boy Darmonds Boogermans Bravado - who is LWO+. HELP!!!

Anna

 

[rabbitsfizz]

If your tobianos have blue eyes they also have Splash and possibly Frame.

Simple as that, I am afraid.

Yes, Anna, I would test your mare. She cannot get Frame form her dam, but there is a possibility she can have it form the sire.

I would start by testing him, it is not expensive but if he is neg. then the mare can't be positive so you can relax. If the stallion is positive then obviously you should test the mare.