Cancer vaccine being mandated in Texas

[Laura]

Well I will assume it is being mandated as another childhood shot required for school attendance.....just like the heavily promoted chickenpox vaccine. There are many loopholes to not vaccinate if you should choose not to. I think we are overvaccinating our kids as it is just like our horses dogs and cats

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[SIZE=12pt]I'm against A government official, especially one on an apparent power trip, as Rick Perry has shown over and over again to be, telling parents that they HAVE to do something that is of this nature. In most states ALL vaccines are optional, although most people don't have any idea that they can opt out of some or all vaccines for their children, or even just seperate them more or delay until a child is a bit older. This is a bit of a soapbox of mine, as I think the current standard infant vaccination schedules are insane.

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For the HPV vaccine itself, I think it's potentially a good thing. Would I have an 11-12 year old girl vaccinated with a BRAND NEW vaccine because one person, who is not even a doctor, said I had to? Nope. I'd wait a while and wait to see the long term negative effects or benefits of the vaccine.

 

[Buckskin gal]

I do hope all parents educate themselves very well before jumping on the bandwagon to have your little girls vaccinated for the Papiloma virus.Please read what it says about the vaccine below and that last statement is something to really consider. When it only says "may lead to further decreases of incidences of HPV induced cancer", I think we know there is no guarantees. And that is why I think we need to educate these kids very very well about the dangers and responsibilites that go along with having sex. Keep our kids safe. And anyone that has been raped or is having unprotected sex should regularly have pap tests done so any pre cancerous cells can be done away with. JMHO

Human papillomavirus

"Papillomaviruses are a diverse group of DNA-based viruses that infect the skin and mucous membranes of humans and a variety of animals. More than 100 different human papillomavirus (HPV) types have been characterized. Some HPV types cause benign skin warts, or papillomas, for which the virus family is named. HPVs associated with the development of such "common warts" are transmitted environmentally or by casual skin-to-skin contact.

A separate group of about 30 HPVs are typically transmitted through sexual contact. Genital HPV infection is very common, with estimates suggesting that up to 75% of women will become infected with one or more of the sexually transmitted HPV types at some point during adulthood (Baseman and Koutsky, 2005). Some sexually transmitted HPVs, such as types 6 and 11, can cause genital warts. However, most HPV types that infect the genitals tend not to cause noticeable symptoms. Persistent infection with a subset of about a dozen so-called "high-risk" sexually transmitted HPVs, including types 16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45 and 51 can lead to the development of cervical dyskaryosis, which may in turn lead to cancer of the cervix. HPV infection is a necessary factor in the development of nearly all cases of cervical cancer (Walboomers 1999).

Cervical Pap smear testing is used to detect HPV-induced cellular abnormalities. This allows targeted surgical removal of pre-cancerous lesions prior to the development of invasive cervical cancer. In the absence of Pap testing or treatment, about 1% of women with genital HPV infections will eventually go on to develop cervical cancer. Although the widespread use of Pap testing has reduced the incidence and lethality of cervical cancer in developed countries, the disease still kills several hundred thousand women per year worldwide. A recently approved HPV vaccine that blocks initial infection with several of the most common sexually transmitted HPV types may lead to further decreases in the incidence of HPV-induced cancer" (Lowy and Schiller 2006).

 

[Jill]

There was a blurb about it on the news in my area (Washington, DC suburb) this morning. In our state, from what they are saying, parents will be able to opt out for religeous or other concerns. It is something I would want for myself if I were younger / the "right" age.

 

[Boinky]

well theoretically IF this vaccine turns out to be OK and safe.. it doesn't sound like you have to be ANY "age" to be the right age..you just have to be free from HPV and having sex. Any age should have it if that's the case. I think the big problem is how safe it is .

 

[Pandora]

well theoretically IF this vaccine turns out to be OK and safe.. it doesn't sound like you have to be ANY "age" to be the right age..you just have to be free from HPV and having sex. Any age should have it if that's the case. I think the big problem is how safe it is .

Actually the oldest they will vaccinate for right now is 26 which is stupid IMO. How bout us woman who are a little older than that who want this?

 

[FairytailGlennMinis]

I think having the shot as an option is all fine and dandy. Having something like that mandated makes me want to PUKE! I am a person that reacts to anything put in my body and my body freaks out and I wind up in the hospital for a simple flu shot. There are lots of kids who react that way as well. This shot is too new and too unknown to use children as guinea pigs. How about doing their "trial run" on adult volunteers and following that for a bit? No...because the drug company that owns these vaccines is a BIGtime lobbyist and is using that money to push around (aka BRIBE) the state into this mandate. HELLO...!! Again....vaccination as an option is fine....having it require??? Screw that, I would move out of the state rather than let my child be a part of the test run for something like this!

IMHO--the goverment shouldn't have a right to REQUIRE anything like this. If this is allowed to happen, pretty soon we will be dictated upon more and more...this is freaking scary!

-Amy

 

[sedeh]

I really don't think it should be a mandatory vaccine! Most of the other childhood vaccines deal with things that are easily transmitted to other children/adults via casual contact/droplet etc. and if the majority of children weren't vaccinated some of these can cause deadly epidemics. I look at the list of things kids are vaccinated for these days and I cringe for those poor babies! When I was a kid it was MMR's and DPT's and polio. Now they also have hepatitis, flu and chickenpox......poor things are getting poked full of holes!

Besides being a new and relatively untested vaccine it is one we don't know just how effective it will be or if it has any long term side effects. Since HPV is not spread by casual contact I really think it should be a vaccination that the individuals/parents and their doctors decide on!

 

[Laura]

[SIZE=12pt]Vaccine Facts[/SIZE]

Conscientious Choice and Informed Consent for Vaccination are Parental Rights

There are no conscientious choice exemptions for vaccination allowable currently in Texas. The Texas Department of Health already requires, by law, 33 doses of vaccines for 9 different illnesses. Mandates are in place for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, hepatitis B, pertussis, diphtheria, tetanus, and haemophilus influenzae b vaccines. TDH also recently added mandates for chicken pox, hepatitis A in some counties, and expanded hepatitis B for teenagers bringing the total to 36 doses for 11 different viral and bacterial illnesses by the time the child is 5 years old. To view PROVE's opposition to these additions, see Oppose New Vaccine Mandates. All mandates do not allow any room for flexibility based on parental choice.

Did You Know that…

7 vaccines (polio, hepatitis A, varicella, pertussis, diphtheria, tetanus, and haemophilus influenzae b) have NOT been "evaluated or tested for their carcinogenic potential, mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility" or "reproductive capacity" according the vaccine manufacturers' own product inserts.

3 vaccines (varicella, hepatitis A, and rubella) were cultured in human diploid cells (eg. human embryonic lung cell cultures and human diploid cell cultures WI-38 and MRC-5). The Chickenpox vaccine contains "residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein."

6 vaccines (polio, hepatitis B, hepatitis A, pertussis, diphtheria, and tetanus) contain formaldehyde - a highly noxious and carcinogenic preservative.

5 vaccines (hepatitis B, pertussis, diphtheria, tetanus, and haemophilus influenzae b) contain thimerosal, a mercury derivative preservative BANNED by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in over-the-counter (OTC) drug preparations because of questions over safety. (Federal Register: April 22, 1998 (Volume 63, Number 77)][Page 19799-19802]

5 vaccines (hepatitis B, hepatitis A, pertussis, diphtheria, and tetanus) contain aluminum as an adjuvant. Aluminum accumulates in brain, muscle and bone tissue and can be linked to causing fibrosarcomas (cancerous tumors) at the injection site.

5 vaccines (measles, mumps, polio, varicella, and diphtheria) are developed from animal ingredients including cell cultures of chick embryos, monkey kidney cells, fetal bovine serum, and embryonic guinea pig cell cultures. There has been a moratorium in this country on animal organ transplants in humans because of concerns of people contracting latent animal viruses. Despite the history of unscreened animal viruses infecting humans from injectable products like vaccines [monkey cells and SV40 virus and bovine serum and "Mad Cow Disease" (bovine spongiform encephalopathy)], this practice continues with vaccines.

5 vaccines (measles, mumps, rubella, polio, and varicella) are LIVE virus vaccines. Live virus vaccines can sometimes infect the recipient and can even sometimes infect those in close contact with the recipient. These vaccines are given to young children, and vaccine immunity sometimes wears off for adults. This can put a pregnant mother or immunocompromised adult at risk by being around a recently vaccinated child with live virus vaccines.

For ALL 11 vaccines there have been NO long term studies on the cumulative effect on the child's developing immune system of combining all these vaccines together.

For ALL 11 vaccines the biological mechanism for why some children react to a vaccine is not understood.

For ALL 11 vaccines there are no genetic or other lab screening tests available to determine which children will react to a vaccine.

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[SIZE=12pt]36 doses for 11 different viral and bacterial illnesses by the time the child is 5 years old[/SIZE]



This is the line I wanted to make sure was noticed.

 


Notice that at 15 months, babies receive NINE different vaccines!!!!


2006 AAP (American Association of Pediatrics) recommended vaccination schedule

 

[Boinky]

I think it's getting pretty rediculous.. honestly some of those i can understand. Very deadly or deforming problems should be dealt with accordingly.. but like CHICKEN POX?? excuse me but HOW MANY of us LIVED through chicken pox? it's not like it' a highly deadly disease. You should be able to opt out of things like that.

I think it was the MMR show that i had serious reactions to. a huge abscess in my leg ect. It also did it to my aunt and my grandfather (ovbviously a genetic intollerance to it). I think there should be more leway for alot of these vaccines. i think people and animals are getting over vaccinated... plus i thinkt hey require higher doses than really needed. Like dogs are now finally 3 years for rabies.. why aren't horses?!?! I KNOW for a fact that the rabies vaccine has easily lived 3 years in me becausei had the shots post exposure (also had serious reaction to them) and had titers every year after to make sure they were still up to date. I never wantd to let them lapse since i deal with animals alot but i also didn' t want to take unnessisary doses that would cause allergic reactions.

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Raven didnt get but one Whooping cough vaccine as she had a seizure right after the vaccine. I have to tell you well first it never is an issue with schools or whatever but.. on those rare times hear of an outbreak my heart sinks.. with her asthma.. i would assume Whooping cough could be very serious as rare as it is.. I wish she could have been vaccinated

 

[Pepipony]

I think the vaccine in and of itself is a good idea. However, it is new and is not infallible and I feel these girls are the ginea pigs in all of this. I question why this became and executive order and why our senators/representatives werent given a vote in all this, that is why they are there isnt it?

If this was an illness that was passed from casual contact or sneezing ( like small pox etc) then I could see the need for it to be mandatory. But not as it stands now.

 

[Buckskin gal]

So true, that chicken pox and other child hood deseases are not contagious in the same manner as the Papiloma virus. Safe sex, [if there is such a thing] or no sex is the only way to guarantee a child from getting sexually transmitted deseases. Tell them of the dangers over and over and over. Did you know what can happen to a child born from a mother who has the Papiloma virus? I know of a little boy who constantly seemed to have a cold and was hoarse all the time. After going to many doctors, a specialist discovered he had contacted the virus from his mother when he was born and now he has the virus in his throat area. His mother takes him out of state about once a month for treatment so the virus does not block off his throat. It is something that he may have to live with the rest of his life......so remember, very innocent lives can be effected just because someone wasn't educated well enough. My understanding is not many babies survive after being born from a mother who has an outbreak of the virus. :no: He was one of the lucky ones or maybe I should say unlucky. Mary

 

[Shari]

No one should have the Gov force them to take anything on medical terms. Our body is ours.. it is not theirs to do what they will for it.

But then seeing all the laws being forced on us.....

 

[Pandora]

No one should have the Gov force them to take anything on medical terms. Our body is ours.. it is not theirs to do what they will for it.

But then seeing all the laws being forced on us.....

I think it's a good idea for the other vaccines, polio, tetanus etc. I know in some states parents can opt out for religious purposes which I disagree with. It may be our bodies, but for vaccines like that it's a public health hazard also. And some parents are too irresponsible and would not get their kids vaccinated if it werent' for government madantes.

But the HPV should be optional for reasons stated before.

 

[MiniHoofBeats]

I just want to jump in here, I myself just got the first of three shots for the Gardasil vaccine this last Monday. My story is, almost 2 years ago I was found to have cancerous cells in my uterus. I needed numerous tests, appointments, and a good scraping of the lining of my uterus to try removing as many of the cancer cells as possible. I was extremely scared from day one of finding out I had cancerous cells in my body. Now, two years later and after a lot of praying, I have overcome the cancerous cells :aktion033: . When Gardasil was made available I wanted to get it ASAP! I know i've already been exposed to cancerous cells and overcome them so I have a stronger percentage of fighting it in the future, even without the vaccine, but it means a lot to me to know this vaccine is available.

Remember this vaccine doesn't protect against ALL HPV, only 4 types...the most common...and please, HPV can occur even WITHOUT HAVING SEX!!! Thinking having this vaccine will tempt your daughters to want to go have sex is completely the wrong mindset...you don't need sex to get HPV. This shot will also protect against genital warts (in case anyone wanted to know! I read it on the information sheet!) which again can be contracted without having sex. Merely sitting on a public toilet seat can be a disaster.

Please think it over ladies, I do agree I don't think it should be MANDATORY unless it was FREE for EVERYONE, with or without insurance...but for those of you who are still given the option, think about your daughters, think about their future. This vaccine is an amazing breakthrough that should be taken advantage of for all womens sakes!

 

[Just Us N Texas]

I'd like to thank everyone that replied to my query about the vaccinations for HPV. I would also like to make one more point that I am afraid has sort of "slipped" by some of you. That is the fact that the vaccine, according to the manufacturers, is not effective for people who are sexually active, because they may have already contacted the virus. That is why it is aimed at young girls ages 11-12. And yes, Lisa is right, there are many that are sexually active at that age. My grandson, who is a (for his age of 12 1/2), very cute, big blue eyed, young man, and a magnet for little girls ages 10-15. Yep, even the older girls are giving him their phone numbers and gushing all over him. I have no doubt that if left alone, some of these little girls would do more than hugging and kissing in private. At least, they lead you to believe that is what they want! I have no doubt any young man capable would take advantage of this. Yes, we need to do more about educating them about sex, and the possible consequences at this age, (or any other). But, let's be realistic, hormones will win out eventually.

As far as pap smears being the answer, by that time, you have already contacted it, and will lose part of your cervical tissue. It may leave you sterile, as in the case of several on the forum, have witnessed.

The upshot of this, is that I hope it will work as planned and advertised. As far as the vaccine being mandated, I don't like that. It is taking a freedom of choice away from us. But in my older age, I try to see things from both sides of the issue. Without mandating, there could be many neglectful parents that won't have their daughters innoculated.

One other point I would like to make is that when a drug company "invents, or perfects", a new drug, they have the rights to that drug for x amount of years. No one else can make or sell that drug for a period of years. I have forgotten the exact number of years they have the rights to it. Therefore, Merck is the only one that can produce this vaccine for a number of years. Another law that needs to be changed?

Another reason the drugs are so expensive. That company sells it for that number of years at a greater price so they can supposedly recoup the research expenses.

Yes, I also worry about the newness of this drug, and what effects it will have on these young bodies, but I am hoping, like everyone else, that it is all positive, because if it only saved one life, that would be great! Especially if it were your daughter or mine!

Oh, as for the chicken pox vaccine, did you know that the virus that causes chicken pox is also the same virus that causes shingles, and herpes simplex I (cold sores). That is one possibly one reason or two that the vaccine was invented. I for one wish I could have had that one, I get cold sores a lot, and I wish that I didn't.

 

[Buckskin gal]

Oh gosh, please inform that young man that girls are not something to have those hormones released on. This is part of the problem, respect for another person is not being taught, in too many cases. Educate that young man and tell him that there can be extreme consequences to having sexual relations. Has he been warned of all the sexually transmitted deseases and has he been taught that girls are not just for the gratification of oneself? This is what I mean about education. Sure they can be told about condoms, but respect of another persons body is what needs to be more throughly taught. Why has sexually transmitted deseases among children become so rampant other than accepting the idea that it is something kids will do so nothing can be done to stop them! What kind of society has this become that sex among children is so easily accepted? Where are the parents and are they afraid to tell their children of all the dangers in having casual sexual relations? This should not be acceptable for children and if children aren't going to listen to their parents and instead let their hormones rule them we have done a very poor job of educating them in self control. And even if a little girl flirts with a little boy or a little boy flirts with a little girl have they not been taught that self control is part of what we need to learn to live healthy, happy lives?

We aren't animals but some are acting like it???

Opinions were asked for when starting this thread and I do hope more have learned something about HPV. I don't understand why it would be called a sexually transmitted desease if it can be transmitted in other ways. I have yet to find information on that..just haven't yet seen that it can be transmitted from a toilet seat.

I mentioned the pap smears because the information I have read states with regular pap smears the virus can be detected and it can be taken care of long before it turns into cancer. Without pap smears it will go undetected and possibly turn into cancer. No it isn't the answer for everything but it is a way to detect and then stand a good chance of avoiding cancer. And Pap tests are saving lives by detecting deseases and then being treated.

I am sure there will be those who believe hormones will rule the child but it doesn't have to be that way if enough effort is put into education. At least some ot the kids will get the picture if they are properly educated and that may save some lives and a whole lot of heartache. Health cannot be sacrificed for the simple pleasure of sex or the lack of self control. Lets stop saying it can't be done and put out a lot of effort to see if it can be done. God, do I hate to see children exposed to what is out there.....parents have a huge responsibility to educate them well. Don't give up on them.

Mary

I'd like to thank everyone that replied to my query about the vaccinations for HPV. I would also like to make one more point that I am afraid has sort of "slipped" by some of you. That is the fact that the vaccine, according to the manufacturers, is not effective for people who are sexually active, because they may have already contacted the virus. That is why it is aimed at young girls ages 11-12. And yes, Lisa is right, there are many that are sexually active at that age. My grandson, who is a (for his age of 12 1/2), very cute, big blue eyed, young man, and a magnet for little girls ages 10-15. Yep, even the older girls are giving him their phone numbers and gushing all over him. I have no doubt that if left alone, some of these little girls would do more than hugging and kissing in private. At least, they lead you to believe that is what they want! I have no doubt any young man capable would take advantage of this. Yes, we need to do more about educating them about sex, and the possible consequences at this age, (or any other). But, let's be realistic, hormones will win out eventually.

As far as pap smears being the answer, by that time, you have already contacted it, and will lose part of your cervical tissue. It may leave you sterile, as in the case of several on the forum, have witnessed.

The upshot of this, is that I hope it will work as planned and advertised. As far as the vaccine being mandated, I don't like that. It is taking a freedom of choice away from us. But in my older age, I try to see things from both sides of the issue. Without mandating, there could be many neglectful parents that won't have their daughters innoculated.

One other point I would like to make is that when a drug company "invents, or perfects", a new drug, they have the rights to that drug for x amount of years. No one else can make or sell that drug for a period of years. I have forgotten the exact number of years they have the rights to it. Therefore, Merck is the only one that can produce this vaccine for a number of years. Another law that needs to be changed?

Another reason the drugs are so expensive. That company sells it for that number of years at a greater price so they can supposedly recoup the research expenses.

Yes, I also worry about the newness of this drug, and what effects it will have on these young bodies, but I am hoping, like everyone else, that it is all positive, because if it only saved one life, that would be great! Especially if it were your daughter or mine!

Oh, as for the chicken pox vaccine, did you know that the virus that causes chicken pox is also the same virus that causes shingles, and herpes simplex I (cold sores). That is one possibly one reason or two that the vaccine was invented. I for one wish I could have had that one, I get cold sores a lot, and I wish that I didn't.

 

[kaykay]

i was first diagnosed with cervical cancer cells from a pap smear at age 27. I got pap smears every year like clock work. And then bam there it was. It was already a stage 5 which is not good. So just because you have a good pap smear one year doesnt mean it wont come on with a vengeance by the next year. Because I was so young they did the freezing surgery on me but during surgery it was so much deeper then expected that I was told a hysterectomy was definately in my future. I went on to have kyle and then a few years later as the dr predicted it was back along with a bad fibroid so i had a hysterectomy at 31.

So just a warning that pap smears dont always find it early. even my dr was suprised that i went from perfectly normal to a 5 in one year but it does happen.

kay

 

[MiniHoofBeats]

HPV is NOT just a "sexually transmitted disease"...here's from an article online:

"Some types of HPV spread through genital sexual contact. Because many people who become infected don’t have symptoms, they can unknowingly spread the virus.

In fact, HPV is so common that by age 50 as many as 8 of 10 women who have sex will be infected with it.

While in most cases HPV does not have any symptoms, that’s not always the case. The virus can cause diseases ranging from benign (non-cancerous) changes in the cervix, lesions such as genital warts, cervical pre-cancers and cervical cancer."

" More than 100 different types of HPV exist, most of which are harmless. About 30 types are spread through sexual contact and are classified as either low risk or high risk."

This is a great article to read - I am wondering if a few of you are commenting on this HPV vaccine without reading up on it first?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdhpv.htm

I most commonly read articles written about genital HPV and that, yes, is sexually transmitted and can even be transmitted from use of sexual toys. Meaning if bodily fluid gets on something, it can be transmitted to the next body - what makes you think bodily fluids sprayed on a toilet (don't forget when you flush a toilet, molecules from the toilet water/urine/feces spray up to 10 feet into the air and land on everything in that stall! http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/...web2/stan.html) wont touch a woman sitting on it next? Or a man for that matter?

The next most common way is direct skin-to-skin contact, most common with the warts from HPV 16 and 11...hands, mouths, genitals, etc...

Study! This vaccine is out to HELP US! Insurance companies are picking up this vaccine for one reason only - it's that important.

 

[Buckskin gal]

The point was that Pap tests do detect it and a Pap test is what detected yours...without the tests you would not have known it was there. It also is a fact that early detection can save a person from it turning into cancer...in many cases, if it is suspected, a Pap test can be done more often....just saying the earlier it is detected the less chance of having it turn into cancer. True, there are no guarantees in life but a person has to be very aware of what is going on. It is called a sexually transmitted desease and the quote below I think is taken from the same one as was mentioned. If that is wrong please let me know....I am always ready to learn more. Mary

"A Pap test can detect pre-cancerous and cancerous cells on the cervix. Regular Pap testing and careful medical follow-up, with treatment if necessary, can help ensure that pre-cancerous changes in the cervix caused by HPV infection do not develop into life threatening cervical cancer. The Pap test used in U.S. cervical cancer screening programs is responsible for greatly reducing deaths from cervical cancer. For 2004, the American Cancer Society estimates that about 10,520 women will develop invasive cervical cancer and about 3,900 women will die from this disease. Most women who develop invasive cervical cancer have not had regular cervical cancer screening" This is qu

i was first diagnosed with cervical cancer cells from a pap smear at age 27. I got pap smears every year like clock work. And then bam there it was. It was already a stage 5 which is not good. So just because you have a good pap smear one year doesnt mean it wont come on with a vengeance by the next year. Because I was so young they did the freezing surgery on me but during surgery it was so much deeper then expected that I was told a hysterectomy was definately in my future. I went on to have kyle and then a few years later as the dr predicted it was back along with a bad fibroid so i had a hysterectomy at 31.

So just a warning that pap smears dont always find it early. even my dr was suprised that i went from perfectly normal to a 5 in one year but it does happen.

kay