Eagle
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oh no! Hugs for you Cassie and prayers for Finn.
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cassie
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Thanks girls.... He is better again today but still not himself... I dnt understand it... They are in a paddock with moist grass nothing else... No weeds for him to eat or anything
I didn't give him the carafate that morning cos it had been a week since the last episode... But maybe he just isn't ready to go off them yet...
Penny, still wouldn't let me measure her tummy lol
Will slip a halter on her tonight and do it heheHer bag hasnt filled any more but she has the two enemas either side of her bag now including the one in front... Does that make sense? Lol hoping that these are all small changes into her getting milk
Ready to have her baby
Lol here's hoping anyway... Right now she is enjoying eating the grass, the last few days she has been really really cranky at Suzie n Finn especially around feeding time n loving being with me
Similar to what Suzie did when she was pregnant with Finn lol hoping that means something as well lol
Penny, still wouldn't let me measure her tummy lol
Eagle
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Morning Cassie
That sounds like good progress to me
So sorry to here about poor Finn, I hope he gets better today.
A lot of mares get either cranky or loving (or both!!) during the run up to foaling, so it sounds as though Penny is going with the flow!
Poor little Finn, I wonder why he gets these little sessions - have you had a word with your vet about it Cassie? Give him a hug from me, bless him.
Poor little Finn, I wonder why he gets these little sessions - have you had a word with your vet about it Cassie? Give him a hug from me, bless him.
cassie
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thanks girls, morning/ night Renee LOL
Hi Anna, yeah I spoke to my vet when he came out last time... asked him the hated question (but I knew I would be hating myself if I hadn't of asked) if its kinder for him to be put down... (not that I wanted to by any means I would do everything... but I just wanted to know what the proffesional thought) he said that he didn't need to be put down... (phew) lol
when I spoke to Kylie yesterday she was unsure about it... but he did have some bites (insect bites) on his back which were terribly itchy for him... we were wondering if that might have been it,... so I put some cream on it, which she recommended to see if that would help (thinking he was rolling to scratch the spots) but he was still bad in the afternoon... so I really don't know... the only thing I can think of is to get another xray of him/ ultrasound when he is good and not filled with gas to see whats happening inside... see if there is a twist or a small impaction... but otherwise I have no clue...
yeah it was quite exciting to feel those extra "lumps" under Penny today... I had felt one yesterday but that one is bigger and there is definitley a second one starting... hoping every day or two will bring a little more progress now!!
oh and Finn gives snuggles and kisses to everyone
he is the sweetest thing and always rests his head on my shoulder!!
(I usually kneel down to his level as he is so tiny LOL)
Hi Anna, yeah I spoke to my vet when he came out last time... asked him the hated question (but I knew I would be hating myself if I hadn't of asked) if its kinder for him to be put down... (not that I wanted to by any means I would do everything... but I just wanted to know what the proffesional thought) he said that he didn't need to be put down... (phew) lol
when I spoke to Kylie yesterday she was unsure about it... but he did have some bites (insect bites) on his back which were terribly itchy for him... we were wondering if that might have been it,... so I put some cream on it, which she recommended to see if that would help (thinking he was rolling to scratch the spots) but he was still bad in the afternoon... so I really don't know... the only thing I can think of is to get another xray of him/ ultrasound when he is good and not filled with gas to see whats happening inside... see if there is a twist or a small impaction... but otherwise I have no clue...
yeah it was quite exciting to feel those extra "lumps" under Penny today... I had felt one yesterday but that one is bigger and there is definitley a second one starting... hoping every day or two will bring a little more progress now!!
oh and Finn gives snuggles and kisses to everyone
a mini dream come true
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Glad to hear the VEt saying No.. I know it's hard not knowing what causing him to be sick, but at least the vet thinks they can figure it out.So that's encouraging.thanks girls, morning/ night Renee LOL
Hi Anna, yeah I spoke to my vet when he came out last time... asked him the hated question (but I knew I would be hating myself if I hadn't of asked) if its kinder for him to be put down... (not that I wanted to by any means I would do everything... but I just wanted to know what the proffesional thought) he said that he didn't need to be put down... (phew) lol
when I spoke to Kylie yesterday she was unsure about it... but he did have some bites (insect bites) on his back which were terribly itchy for him... we were wondering if that might have been it,... so I put some cream on it, which she recommended to see if that would help (thinking he was rolling to scratch the spots) but he was still bad in the afternoon... so I really don't know... the only thing I can think of is to get another xray of him/ ultrasound when he is good and not filled with gas to see whats happening inside... see if there is a twist or a small impaction... but otherwise I have no clue...
yeah it was quite exciting to feel those extra "lumps" under Penny today... I had felt one yesterday but that one is bigger and there is definitley a second one starting... hoping every day or two will bring a little more progress now!!
oh and Finn gives snuggles and kisses to everyonehe is the sweetest thing and always rests his head on my shoulder!!(I usually kneel down to his level as he is so tiny LOL)
cassie
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thanks I hope you guys don't think me an awful owner for asking...
I just wanted to know... you know?
thanks I hope you guys don't think me an awful owner for asking...I just wanted to know... you know?
Cassie the bad owners are the ones to scared to ask that or carry it through when needed.
The owners who CARE are the ones who ask the tough questions
Eagle
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Amen.Cassie the bad owners are the ones to scared to ask that or carry it through when needed.
The owners who CARE are the ones who ask the tough questions
cassie
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Thanks girls lol I had been so good not crying the whole time then as soon as I asked the question of course I started bawling my eyes out
Typical the poor vet, lol he didn't know what to do with me lol
But he reassured me and was very nice about it all
I'm hoping we won't have to see him again until the little man needs his you know what's taken off
Oh I mean
Lol
Oh Cassie please dont feel bad about having those thoughts about little Finn. As Bree said, it is the good owners who are thoughtful enough to make decisions like that, preferably before they are actually needed.
In fact I made one of those decisions myself two days ago when I had little PT put down - and if you asked me what was wrong with him, I really couldn't answer you. I bred him and he was just 9 years old, but he had always been a 'bit odd'. For the first few years of his life he was perfectly normal, but then he started having occasional tummy problems, mild colic soon sorted by my vet. Other times he didn't actually colic but just seemed unusually quiet at times, just for an hour or so. I did wonder about ulcers, but his 'symptoms' didnt add up, also his odd moments were often a year or more apart and nothing ever 'changed' in his daily/yearly life.
About a month ago he had one of his mild colic stints and the vet came out late in the evening with the usual finadyne (sp?) *** to get him comfortable again and all was well. But from then on I was not happy with him. Yes he seemed to still be his 'old self', still galloped off across the field when let out, often to be seen havig a race around kicking up his heels, plus zooming back to the gate when it was time to come in. But, as we all know, horses, like a lot of animals, are very good at hiding their discomfort. I also caught him in his stable with a sort of 'inward' looking expression on his face. I just knew his time was coming to an end. Over the last week he had eaten all his food and hay, but very slowly. He grazed when out but also stood round dozing a lot. Saturday night he didn't eat or drink anything while stabled, but picked at his clean straw - something he never did. Sunday night was so warm and mild here I put him out for the night, opening up a second field for him where there was plenty of nice fresh grass and he was out there mooching and grazing on Monday morning when I went to get him. But I had already called the vet by then with the warning that I didn't want him vetted or examined, I just wanted him put down.
The same vet came who had treated him a month earlier and said no problem, you know your horse and if he needs to leave us then we are happy to take your word for it. We took him out onto the lawn, and I really felt a bit stupid as he jauntily strode along and ducked his head down to pinch some grass. However, when the vet tried to find the vein for the *** to sedate him, she couldn't find it! And this was the jugular!! Plus she had found it a month earlier with ease, late at night in gloomy light with just a small torch to help!! She knew the needle was in the vein, but there was little or no blood showing - luckily PT doesn't have a problem with needles! - so she gave the sedation in hope. It worked, so she was in the right place. With him sedated she went to give him the *** to lay him and put him down. Same problem, just a tiny bit of blood showing on the end of the needle. So again, trusting to luck, she gave the full ***. Again it worked and he sank to the floor totally out of it just like for an operation but more so. But he still kept breathing. The vet was totally puzzled as by now he had had enough of the drug in his system to knock out a full sized horse!
But she did say that for whatever reason, I had done the right thing in calling her. She said that however 'good' PT looked to her when we actually led him out of his stable, it was now obvious that something was very wrong and that his whole system had been slowly shutting down, hence the reason why we were not getting blood from his main vein because it was just not circulating properly. To cut a long story short (LOL!!) we ended up opting to inject another horse worth of the drug directly into his heart - perfectly possible as he was so well under you could have performed any sort of operation on him. Interestingly when the special long needle went into his heart we only got a small spurt of blood, then nothing, then another small spurt - not normal, inspite of the drugs in his system, according to the vet. Anyway after this final ***, with a few short breaths, my sweet PT made his way to Rainbow Bridge to join his parents and other friends.
My poor vet was very distressed that the whole proceedure had taken so long (she had kept apologising to PT and stroking his nose throughout, although he was completely out of it and unaware of the stress he was causing her!), she said that she was thankful it was me because most other owners would have been in a complete panic. She also said that it was a 'good call' on my part as he would probably have lingered on for a few more days or even a week before collapsing and possibly, for him, meeting a distressing end.
Sorry this is such a long and sad story, but we, as owners, have gut instincts with our animals, whereas vet's dont, and vets can only do what we tell them to do when it comes down to the wire.
RIP sweet PT - you will forever have a special place in my heart.
In fact I made one of those decisions myself two days ago when I had little PT put down - and if you asked me what was wrong with him, I really couldn't answer you. I bred him and he was just 9 years old, but he had always been a 'bit odd'. For the first few years of his life he was perfectly normal, but then he started having occasional tummy problems, mild colic soon sorted by my vet. Other times he didn't actually colic but just seemed unusually quiet at times, just for an hour or so. I did wonder about ulcers, but his 'symptoms' didnt add up, also his odd moments were often a year or more apart and nothing ever 'changed' in his daily/yearly life.
About a month ago he had one of his mild colic stints and the vet came out late in the evening with the usual finadyne (sp?) *** to get him comfortable again and all was well. But from then on I was not happy with him. Yes he seemed to still be his 'old self', still galloped off across the field when let out, often to be seen havig a race around kicking up his heels, plus zooming back to the gate when it was time to come in. But, as we all know, horses, like a lot of animals, are very good at hiding their discomfort. I also caught him in his stable with a sort of 'inward' looking expression on his face. I just knew his time was coming to an end. Over the last week he had eaten all his food and hay, but very slowly. He grazed when out but also stood round dozing a lot. Saturday night he didn't eat or drink anything while stabled, but picked at his clean straw - something he never did. Sunday night was so warm and mild here I put him out for the night, opening up a second field for him where there was plenty of nice fresh grass and he was out there mooching and grazing on Monday morning when I went to get him. But I had already called the vet by then with the warning that I didn't want him vetted or examined, I just wanted him put down.
The same vet came who had treated him a month earlier and said no problem, you know your horse and if he needs to leave us then we are happy to take your word for it. We took him out onto the lawn, and I really felt a bit stupid as he jauntily strode along and ducked his head down to pinch some grass. However, when the vet tried to find the vein for the *** to sedate him, she couldn't find it! And this was the jugular!! Plus she had found it a month earlier with ease, late at night in gloomy light with just a small torch to help!! She knew the needle was in the vein, but there was little or no blood showing - luckily PT doesn't have a problem with needles! - so she gave the sedation in hope. It worked, so she was in the right place. With him sedated she went to give him the *** to lay him and put him down. Same problem, just a tiny bit of blood showing on the end of the needle. So again, trusting to luck, she gave the full ***. Again it worked and he sank to the floor totally out of it just like for an operation but more so. But he still kept breathing. The vet was totally puzzled as by now he had had enough of the drug in his system to knock out a full sized horse!
But she did say that for whatever reason, I had done the right thing in calling her. She said that however 'good' PT looked to her when we actually led him out of his stable, it was now obvious that something was very wrong and that his whole system had been slowly shutting down, hence the reason why we were not getting blood from his main vein because it was just not circulating properly. To cut a long story short (LOL!!) we ended up opting to inject another horse worth of the drug directly into his heart - perfectly possible as he was so well under you could have performed any sort of operation on him. Interestingly when the special long needle went into his heart we only got a small spurt of blood, then nothing, then another small spurt - not normal, inspite of the drugs in his system, according to the vet. Anyway after this final ***, with a few short breaths, my sweet PT made his way to Rainbow Bridge to join his parents and other friends.
My poor vet was very distressed that the whole proceedure had taken so long (she had kept apologising to PT and stroking his nose throughout, although he was completely out of it and unaware of the stress he was causing her!), she said that she was thankful it was me because most other owners would have been in a complete panic. She also said that it was a 'good call' on my part as he would probably have lingered on for a few more days or even a week before collapsing and possibly, for him, meeting a distressing end.
Sorry this is such a long and sad story, but we, as owners, have gut instincts with our animals, whereas vet's dont, and vets can only do what we tell them to do when it comes down to the wire.
RIP sweet PT - you will forever have a special place in my heart.
lucky lodge
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ray
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oh did you try the red cordial
Eagle
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Omg Anna I am so sorry. Why didn't you tell me I could have given you a hug. You know you can call me at any hour and I will ring you back to save your phone bill.
Hugs
Hugs
Well saidCassie the bad owners are the ones to scared to ask that or carry it through when needed.
The owners who CARE are the ones who ask the tough questions
Anna- I am so sorry. ((HUGS))
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Anna, I am soooo sorry. HUGS to you for having the courage to do what was best for your beloved chip.
Equuisize
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Ahhhh, Anna. I am soooo sorry.
That is always the hardest decision of all but also the ultimate
act of love, to know when it is time to let them go.
God Speed PT.
That is always the hardest decision of all but also the ultimate
act of love, to know when it is time to let them go.
God Speed PT.
Oh Anna
Hugs.
Your horses are lucky to have you.
I've always felt it is quality of life, not quantity that matters. The day I become to much of a coward to make the call for one of my horses, be it the aged and arthritic or a not right foal, then I am too much of a coward to be entrusted with their lives. That's how strongly I feel about it.
I know my appie won't make his full life span, he has muscle damage and early arthritis is a matter of when not if. I love this horse, I love watching him much around in the paddock with his friends. Which is why when he starts to get uncomfortable he'll go then, not when he is too sore to walk around his paddock and keep up with his friends. He'll go when life is still good and he hasn't had to suffer through the day.
This is what we all owe these beautiful animals that take over our lives.
Your horses are lucky to have you.
I've always felt it is quality of life, not quantity that matters. The day I become to much of a coward to make the call for one of my horses, be it the aged and arthritic or a not right foal, then I am too much of a coward to be entrusted with their lives. That's how strongly I feel about it.
I know my appie won't make his full life span, he has muscle damage and early arthritis is a matter of when not if. I love this horse, I love watching him much around in the paddock with his friends. Which is why when he starts to get uncomfortable he'll go then, not when he is too sore to walk around his paddock and keep up with his friends. He'll go when life is still good and he hasn't had to suffer through the day.
This is what we all owe these beautiful animals that take over our lives.
Thank you for your hugs and sympathies my friends. Bree I do so agree with what you say and your point of view - I hope that your boy has many happy years yet.
Several years ago I had two elderly girls who were best friends (30 and 33 years), one was getting a bit stiff and lacking decent teeth and they other was starting to lose weight. It was November and the weather was getting colder after what had been a great summer and warm Autumn. Neither was too happy about being stabled and both absolutely refused to wear rugs (as I had found out the previous year!). So I made the decision to let them go while they were well and happy, knowing that they would struggle with a cold winter inspite of my help. Well we plunged into one of the coldest winters that the UK had seen for quite a while and everyday I gave thanks that those two girls went trotting over Rainbow Bridge at the end of the warm happy days and that I had not waited to see if they would make another year.
So Cassie - any updated news regarding Penny. Did you ever manage to get that tape round her? Are you stabling her next to Suzie and Finn (not sure if you have already said this)? And are you going to put her on marestare soon or are you waiting for her bag to really start filling?
LOL!! Lots of questions for you to answer tonight!
Several years ago I had two elderly girls who were best friends (30 and 33 years), one was getting a bit stiff and lacking decent teeth and they other was starting to lose weight. It was November and the weather was getting colder after what had been a great summer and warm Autumn. Neither was too happy about being stabled and both absolutely refused to wear rugs (as I had found out the previous year!). So I made the decision to let them go while they were well and happy, knowing that they would struggle with a cold winter inspite of my help. Well we plunged into one of the coldest winters that the UK had seen for quite a while and everyday I gave thanks that those two girls went trotting over Rainbow Bridge at the end of the warm happy days and that I had not waited to see if they would make another year.
So Cassie - any updated news regarding Penny. Did you ever manage to get that tape round her? Are you stabling her next to Suzie and Finn (not sure if you have already said this)? And are you going to put her on marestare soon or are you waiting for her bag to really start filling?
LOL!! Lots of questions for you to answer tonight!
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