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LittleRibbie

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We have a 16 ft. Corn Pro stock trailer. 4ft solid sides and floor mats and a center divider wall. It is in perfect condition because Ive only used it about 6 times. I only use this trailer to go to the small local parades because I can put my carriage inside along with the horses. In the past I have always put 2 ( one time 3 ) horses in the front. close the center door and roll my carriage in the back ( I do tie down the carriage as well )The carriage is a 4 wheel surrey type and weights at the most 200lbs. Then when we arrive at the location its just easier to take out the carriage 1st then open center divider in trailer and attend to the horses. Recently I saw someone with 2 drafts and a monster carriage and they were hauling w/the horses in the very back and carriage in the front. They also had a stock trailer only much bigger. I asked if that is safer than horses in front and he said NEVER NEVER put horses in front of a vehicle ( carrige/cart ) The carriage should be put closest to the tongue on the trailer.

What if someone rearends the trailer? I do want to mention that I do have a door up front...guess it would be considered an emergency door. I would love your opinions. I've always towed this way because its convenient for me but if it dangerous for the horses I need to change my ways. Thanks for your help

Heidi
 
A bumper pull stock trailer should always be loaded with the bulk of the weight up front - so whatever is heavier goes up front. If you load the back end of a stock trailer heavy you risk having your trailer sway and it also creates extra wear on your tires.
 
...and it's not safe to do anything that compromises your ability to quickly remove the horses during an emergency like blocking them in with a carriage and a divider. If they can get out through the emergency door, great. If not, problem.

Leia
 
Agree with above, if bumper pull, weight goes in front.

As to safety as in rear end crash, I would rather have the horses up front, more distance between them and whatever is coming through the back end. The carriage/cart or whatever will be smashed, it will give and can be replaced, the horses can't. Just my opinion, everyone has to do what makes them comfortable.

Kelly
 
IMO you're doing it right. The horses weigh more than the carriage. Since the fellow has 2 drafters, which are probably 4 - 5,000, his weight is on the rear since the carriage won't weigh nearly that. So he's increasing his chances of sway and pulling up on the tongue of the trailer.

Plus there's less bounce and sway in the front, so it's easier on their legs.
 
I think you are taking a risk by loading the horses in the front. Yes, the weight should be balanced so that 10% is on the tongue in a tagalong trailer, and 15-25% is on the tongue in a gooseneck, but the risk of not being able to unload is a significant one. Does your trailer have a front escape door that is actually useable? (Many escape doors are not usable for getting horses out.) If so, then you are fine. If the only exit is off the back of the trailer, I'd switch things around. Put the horses in the back. If you have an accident that is so severe that it penitrates and destroys the rear portion, you have significantly more important things to worry about. For example, the shock of such a collision will destroy the tow vehicle and will probably severely injure or kill the horses anyways. Minor wrecks aren't that big of a deal and will keep the horses safe regardless of where they are, unless they happen to be leaning on the point of impact. Think of it this way... if you have a cart in the trailer, and you get in an accident that is severe enough to damage the rear gate to the point where its barely openable, how are you going to get in to treat the horses' injuries? Or get them off? They are locked in the front of the trailer, unable to be unloaded or even gotten to. You generally can't open a center divider with a cart loaded in the back. And you can't get the cart off even if you can get the door open enough to climb in. If the horses were in the back you could unload them through the smallest opening, or get on board to do treatments and emergency care. You can't do that if you can't get to them.

It is also not unheard of for fires to start onboard trailers. If the horses are in the inner compartment you will have to unload the cart first in any emergency to get to the animals. If you pause on the side of the road for whatever reason, you will need to unload the cart on the side of the highway before you can get to the horses.

In my professional opinion the draft driver is correct, load the horses in a compartment that is easily accessable. If you have a cart and heavy horses you will have to purchase a special trailer which takes into account the biased weight (axles will be differently arranged). In your case, 600lbs is NOT going to make a BIT of difference in your load. Yes, it is PROPER to load the heaviest weight forward, but loading 600lbs more in the rear than the front is NOTHING. Especially if you have a gooseneck, and DOUBLE especially if you have a tackroom.

I routinely load more weight on the back of my gooseneck trailer than the front. I do this for balance, to get the tongue weight down to 20%. That is MORE than enough to avoid sway and to keep everything safe. The rear axles in a gooseneck are generally farther back than a tagalong trailer, and can easily support the weight without "see-sawing" the trailer and lifting the front end. If you have a gooseneck trailer I'd immediately swap and put the horses in the back without a second thought. If its a tagalong, you'll have to do some engineering thinking and possibly some weighing at a public scale to see how your trailer balances. But again, we're talking three minis, not a team of drafts. If your tongue weight changes by 50lbs I'd be surprised.

As far as bounce, that depends on what kind of axles you have and what kind of truck you are towing with. My trailer's 7k axles are SOFTER than my truck's stock suspension. So the gentler ride is over the trailer axles. When I added air suspension to my truck that kinda cancelled out the effect, so both are very soft. A dually truck will have a far rougher ride in the front than it will on the trailer axles, if they are new axles with soft suspension.
 
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Like Nathan said, unless there is a a way to unload the horses from the front compartment, it's not a good idea to haul them there with the wagon/carts/whatever in the back. Even then it could be possible to be involved in an accident where your trailer is struck from the side, rendering that side door useless--then your horses are still stuck. I quite honestly like having two ways into/out of the trailer and with a bumper hitch & hauling Minis....any driving vehicle(s) can go in the back of the truck.

Trailers are not all built/balanced the same. The one I have now has the wheels back a bit--I can haul a couple Minis in the back & unless they crowd right up to the back gate they are going to be standing mostly over the rear axle/middle of the axles--there is not enough weight on the back end to tip the trailer back & cause a sway problem. I have seen other stock trailers that had the axles almost centered under the trailer, and with those trailers there was a lot of room at the back, behind the rear axle--if you were to load horses in there with the front empty, you would get a lot of sway & it wouldn't be safe--there is no way I'd load a vehicle into the front with horses--small or big--in the back. Actually those trailers look to me like they would be unstable to tow at the best of times, but not having tried hauling with one of them I cannot say that for sure.
 

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