Heads up on Performance All Star contenders

[LaVern]

Yeah, Finding this out sure takes away from it, for me.

 

[txminipinto]

Yeah, Finding this out sure takes away from it, for me.

Me too! It's sad that so many just kind of get forgotten about, yet are such an awesome model of what a mini/pony can do.

 

[Lisa Strass]

Sorry, you feel this way. I still think the Performance Pony of the Year is an extremely prestigious award.

I have a lot of value for the all-around horse as that is what I started with. One horse that can do pretty much everything is perfect for those first youth and ammys figuring out what classes they enjoy. In fact someday when I have more time (yeah, right!), I still hope to have another all-around gelding to compete in all these classes again. However, and I should probably put a flame suit on, I would rather breed to a Halter or Performance Pony of the Year as the calculations are currently figured up than one that wins due to numerous hunter, jumper, liberty, obstacle event points.

 

[My-Lil-Pony]

The above poster said it all when they said they would rather BREED to. With Minis and Ponies sadly it always comes back to breeding. Such a huge difference in the Mini/Pony world compared to the large horse world where a true all around horse is sought out not looked upon as a beginner horse. Oh well to each their own

 

[txminipinto]

Sorry, you feel this way. I still think the Performance Pony of the Year is an extremely prestigious award.
I have a lot of value for the all-around horse as that is what I started with. One horse that can do pretty much everything is perfect for those first youth and ammys figuring out what classes they enjoy. In fact someday when I have more time (yeah, right!), I still hope to have another all-around gelding to compete in all these classes again. However, and I should probably put a flame suit on, I would rather breed to a Halter or Performance Pony of the Year as the calculations are currently figured up than one that wins due to numerous hunter, jumper, liberty, obstacle event points.

Well, Lisa, I still feel it's a prestigious award. However, the title is a bit misleading. And I'm not talking about a horse that just has points in the in hand events. I'm talking about those horses who constantly win and top the all stars in those events. If you go to enough shows, you can Hall of Fame in these classes just by getting a point here or there. I'm talking about horses like Diamond Horseshoes Ima Toy Too, owned by the Blankenships who is consistantly winning in these events and this year earned two Champion All Star awards in them. It's extremely hard for a mini to make the All Star list in these events due to the vast amount of competition nation wide. It's quite an honor to be in the top 10. You have to haul to a lot of shows and win(not just show up) to just get 10th place!

 

[Lisa Strass]

It does take many years of training to have an on point Obstacle horse as well as a horse that can excel in hunter. Many of us still see past that political and tunnel vision world of Halter and Driving. The above poster said it all when they said they would rather BREED to. With Minis and Ponies sadly it always comes back to breeding. Such a huge difference in the Mini/Pony world compared to the large horse world where a true all around horse is sought out not looked upon as a beginner horse. Oh well to each their own

Ah yes, it does take years of training for a large horse to excel in hunter, but let's face it, a lot more is expected out of those horses than a mini hunter.

The courses are very specific - certain number of strides expected between each set of jumps, flying lead changes, of course no charging, good form over the jump, etc. 95% of Mini/Shetland hunter classes that I see are simply sets of poles set up in a U configuration -- Sorry, not going to buy that it takes a lot of time to train a horse to jump individual poles in a half circle course configuration.

 

[My-Lil-Pony]

I totally agree with you. It is hard making the transition from large horses to minis/ponies in fact often I wonder if it is one worth making.

 

[whitney]

How many of the BIG named trainers show these "other" classes?

 

[txminipinto]

very few.

 

[Irish Hills Farm]

Why not have an All Around Horse of the Year award for the horse that does it all? Halter, driving, jumping, obstacle, etc.

Maybe have the Performance Horse of the Year award renamed Driving Horse of the Year, to make people happy and institute the All Around Horse of the Year award.

 

[JMS Miniatures]

There has also been a discussion about the driving classes not too long ago how the horses all they have to is drive around in a circle and ask to back. I don't see that much of a difference if you think about it when it comes to hunter as you just said horseshoe shaped.

I do know you spend more $$$ for a driving horse, but when it comes to the amount of training put in I consider it pretty even. Not just jumper but also obstacle. Maybe local shows the jumping isn't too competitve but at Nationals I don't think you are going in a U pattern. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to start anything but I do get upset when someone yet once again cuts down on performance classes (ie: obstacle, jumper, etc...)

I propose that we have an award for the all-around performance horse. This will not include driving since in driving you have championships. Let it count for classes like halter obstacle, obstacle driving, hunter, jumper, and liberty. I'm sure I may have left something out. The current award now change it to driving horse of the year.

 

[txminipinto]

I agree. Its high time that we recognize all of those horses and exhibitors who are truely ALL AROUND horses and exhibitors. We have a Halter HOY, then Performance HOY should be split to driving and all around. And I think all around should include all of the other performance classesbstacle, hunter, jumper, liberty, and take versatility in consideration as well.

I will be willing to submit the proposal if there are people willing to go to convention and help back it.

 

[sdmini]

Yes, in general, it does take more time to train a good driving horse as opposed to a good jumping horse. On the flip side I know of some driving trainers that have taken big awards on very, very green horses.

Lets say Good Housekeeping had a Best Mattress of the Year title they gave out but didn't take into consideration air mattresses, pillow tops or waterbeds. The reasons they give for not including the others are; they didn't have those types of mattresses when they started giving the award or it wouldn't change the outcome anyways or personally, they didn't prefer those types so didn't include them. In the end you have supports of those "other" mattresses feeling slighted and that Good Housekeeping only wants their subscription money.

Yes calling the title Driving Horse of the Year isn't as prestigious as saying Performance Horse of the Year but it is more accurate.

Is Roadster in Hand counted towards Performance Horse of the Year? I have no idea just wondering.

 

[LaVern]

Some of those hot driving horses can hardly back three steps for the judges let alone back like those horses that have to back through those poles. That obstacle driving, that is good driving too don't you think? I think it should count for something. Or maybe that does.

 

[Sandee]

...........Is Roadster in Hand counted towards Performance Horse of the Year? I have no idea just wondering.

Ok, I'm spraying with Flame Retardant but "Roadster in Hand"? After watching that class, I still don't "get it"! Guess I'd have to start with going to some Hackney or Shetland shows?

 

[Karen S]

Hey Sandee and All,

If you really want to see what real Roadster in Hand classes are all about....come to the ASPC Congress. One pony that knows this class, he and his owner know how to put on a show and show it is! Tom Sanderson with Davey's Declaration a 21 year old stallion just loves this class. Ask Lisa Strassle about competing against him with Linpacojo's Scooter her and Ernie Lambin show. These folks know what Roadster in Hand is all about. So much fun, so much talent and all without a cart. The sample of the video that Leeana provided was good to let you know what Roadster In Hand was all about but still doesn't compare to what the Shetlands at Congress can do. I suspect this class was created years ago by a dare to see who could run the fastest against the clock without a cart.

Karen

 

[Belinda]

[SIZE=14pt]Hello !! [/SIZE]

Has anyone seen how the points are tabulated the formula is on page 329 of the rulebook.. It goes on points !!! Let me just list here the open winners number of points in all the performance classes and then you all tell me how a horse with only 450 points is going to beat someones horse that has 2,595 points.. i AM ONLY LISTING THE WINNERS POINT TOTAL--- AND NO ,,Roadster In Hand was just put in as fun class and LOTS of folks very much enjoyed it. !!

OPEN COUNTRY PLEASURE DRIVING -------2,595 POINTS

OPEN PLEASURE DRIVING ------------- 1,818

OPEN WESTERN COUNTRY DRIVING--- 660

OPEN ROADSTER ---------------------------- 2,250

OPEN PARK HARNESS --------------------- 2,475

OPEN HUNTER ---------------------------- 375

ADULT JUMPER ------------------------------ 453

OPEN VERSATILITY--------------- 513

OPEN OBSTACLE ----------------------------- 423

OPEN OBSTACLE DRIVING ------------------ 330

LIBERTY ------------------ 378

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THIS IS THE RULE RIGHT OUT OF THE RULE BOOK

[[SIZE=18pt]]Method: (1) All-Star points divided by (2) number of[/SIZE]

shows shown at times (3) number of different Judges

divided by (2) number of shows shown at times (4)

number of horses/ponies beat divided by (2) number

of shows shown at times (5) number of Grand

Champions divided by (2) number of shows shown at.

C. The final results will be reviewed by a committee

which shall be appointed by the president and should

consist of members from registry administration andthe breed committees

[SIZE=14pt]And Like I said before if so many do not like the way this is being done , make a proposal send it in JUlY 1st is the deadline !!! [/SIZE]

 

[Sandee]

Sorry Karen but you lost me when you said "run fast". I have the same thing against the "timed" winner of the jumper classes. Winning or loosing should be on the horse not on whether the handler is in "good shape" to run.

Gee could this be becaue I'm not 20 something?( nor 30, nor 40 ---'nuf said)

 

[txminipinto]

Belinda,

The complaint is that the in hand performance classes aren't even considered in the point tabulation. And yes, there are driving horses that excel at driving AND in hand performance. In hand performance classes and entries take up a very large section of our shows. A lot of work goes into these animals as well. Some national recognition (and respect) is all that is being asked for. After all, doesn't the association want to keep people involved?

 

[Lisa Strass]

...........Is Roadster in Hand counted towards Performance Horse of the Year? I have no idea just wondering.

Ok, I'm spraying with Flame Retardant but "Roadster in Hand"? After watching that class, I still don't "get it"! Guess I'd have to start with going to some Hackney or Shetland shows?

Sorry Karen but you lost me when you said "run fast". I have the same thing against the "timed" winner of the jumper classes. Winning or loosing should be on the horse not on whether the handler is in "good shape" to run.Gee could this be becaue I'm not 20 something?( nor 30, nor 40 ---'nuf said)

I don't think the focus of this thread is In-Hand Roadster, but the point of this class is FUN. In fact they should make a requirement that you can't enter the class unless you promise to enjoy it even if the class kills you! LOL! If fun isn't in your vocabulary, then it's probably not the class for you. Since it doesn't really count for anything, yet is a big crowd pleaser, let's just enjoy it.

Like Karen mentioned, Tom Sanderson who has won at the Congress the last few years isn't in his 30's or 40's, or even 50's either! I don't know how old he is, but he was the oldest one in the class this year!

Belinda,The complaint is that the in hand performance classes aren't even considered in the point tabulation. And yes, there are driving horses that excel at driving AND in hand performance. In hand performance classes and entries take up a very large section of our shows. A lot of work goes into these animals as well. Some national recognition (and respect) is all that is being asked for. After all, doesn't the association want to keep people involved?

I'm not against forming a true-all around award - In fact, I suggested it on another forum! (One that includes halter, driving, obstacle, hunter, jumper, etc.) Theses horses do exist, a couple owned by the Sansevere's come to mind.

But based on the numbers, I highly suspect the horse that wins for a given driving division would end up winning an all-around strictly performance award as well. Additionally, our association does recognize the in-hand performance classes on a National level. They all have National Classes, All-Star Awards, and most have HOF designations as well. The horse of the year awards are not supposed to just be the winners of the All-Star awards. If so, then we're just duplicating awards! That is why there is the formula and the committe that reviews the results.