How do you win??

[rabbitsfizz]

This is NOT the place to be making accusations and discussing peoples personal business.

 

[BallynoeBaby]

No it isn't but it is also not the place to be lying. I want this to be sorted out and i want to get to the bottom of this. Iam not going into detail and i was not the first to mention what i did if you read back you will see. This is a sore topic for our area and as you can see a lot of people are in this so it needs to be sorted.

 

[Colagirl]

Can any of the southern members confirm there will be no show this year at the RDS and the IMHSPS Championship show will take place in Cavan 6th August again.

This implies that the All Ireland Championship will take place at Cavan AGAIN this year....I dont know why this has to keep being repeated

: but I`ll say it one more time.....Last year the qualifiers took place all over Ireland, some horses couldnt come due to the not having had their vaccines done in time which RDS insist on, so a few breeders that were thought to have nice horses were invited to take their place at the last minute to make up the class. THIS year...the RDS has changed a lot of classes to promote the sport horse and marketing of Irish show jumpers so many classes have been cut SO the All Ireland Championship will now be held at Cavan august 6th for QUALIFIED HORSES ONLY as this will be our second year as a society and things have improved a lot.

Anyone can have a show and call it the "All Ireland" Championship- that is their prerogative

rabbitsfizz, this kind of comment sounds like sour grapes, why should you diss the IMHSPS just because its new??? Anyone can say they are a "premier breeder" in U.K, that doesnt make it true either but most people have enough manners to hold their tongue. Please do not run down our society just because its an Irish one. And please do not be derrogatory to us when you are not even from here. That comments was extremely insulting to the Irish who just want to have their own society and are working hard to run it well. We are actually basing our standards on the AMHR so please do NOT run us down.

 

[victoria]

I just want to clarify to some people that this is not about me be upset that my horse did not win. This is about how people can organise shows and still pertisapate. You are a miniature pony owner and competitor and you should not have been in the ring when the young handlers class was on.

Well here in NZ we are still devloping and if you took those that organised the shows out of the equation there would be no shows to go to because no one would do the work, we are not at the stage yet where its feasable for us to have proffessional show management so anyone who puts their had up to help is not going to be turned away. We are committee members of our local club for the very reason that no one else wants to front up and do any work preparing for the show for other or running the club so we got involved out of need. We run 2 day shows with over 100 classes and have around 80 horses there, we employ international judges, we set up the day before, this is everything from the ring in the barn, decorating to cleaning and bedding stalls, for competitors, to hauling the jumps and obstacles, co-ordinating funding and sponsorship for classes. That said our committee do not make ourselves known to the judges prior to the shows unless they are not showing and have a specific task to do, and even then they will not disclose any information regarding local studs and who's on committee, and many a time judges are suprised as to who is who when we finially catch up and host our judges after the show. We have more trouble with competitors outside committee going up to the judges and making themselves known before the show or holding up classes cause someone wants to say bye etc which is frowned on but it happens although discouraged, we do not have the latter happen at our shows our gate and ring stewards wont wear it but most of us have seen it happen at other clubs.

I always say when you are in a position of power, even if you are doing nothing wrong you MUST be SEEN to be doing nothing wrong or ambiguous if you don't want negative attention...

There has been some political junk here in the past but we are now at a stage where our assoication has matured and is quite structured and its seen very rarely now, It sounds like Ireland is still in that growing pains stage from all I have read and been told, start puting stucture in place and you guys will come out on okay. For us we will often avoid the ag shows and stick to shows affliated with one of our 2 breed socities because they use qualified judges, and have a LOC committe and policy for employing judges that all clubs must stictly adhere to. The Ag shows have a repuation for being a bit of an old boys club and its who you know not what you know or have, unfotunately to many who have been around a while remember the days the old ag show days with judges calling people in by name "(insert name) can you bring your cute little pony in for first and we'll have your sister second, come on girls heres another little ribbon for your wall" and as a result they do not have the numbers at their shows like they did when there was only limited options.

 

[BallynoeBaby]

Victoria thank you for your comment i can see what you mean and i am glad you said this as it shows me what teething problems Ireland has. I liked the way your commities has organised this and i hope our country will get to that stage. I am sure in a while our members will look back on this discussion and smile as it is quite silly. I hope it ends with no problems and please keep voicing your opinion because every bit helps to get our community working together.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

I say again, a PUBLIC Forum is NOT the place to be airing private grievances.

I am in no way "dissing" the Irish Society- I have no idea why you would imply that, nor attempt to twist what I say to imply it.

The implication is not there.

Please stop writing into my words things that do not exist.

I have no idea why you should be so insulting.

There was nothing at all derogatory in what I said.

It is perfectly true.

Anyone can have an "All Ireland" Championship- just as you can call any show a "World" show- just so long as it is open to the World, it can be called that.

So, now please tell me what is insulting about any of that.

And PLEASE do not bring race into this.

It has nothing to do with it