I did NOT mean I would not sell to someone on

[LisaF.]

I would NEVER not sell a horse to someone on disiablity....I also DO NOT...think because someone is on disablity that means they are poor.

What I was trying to say...is this man was using his disabity checks and refiniancing his HOME....because he wanted to start training for something I DO NOT beleive in.

He TOLD ME....he was going to buy several minis for this program to start training and it would make him enough money he would never have to worry about money again...for him or his family.

I get so frustrated....It seems like everytime I post something people try to make something bad out of what I said.

If you would read my post again....I tried to talk him into a gelding for a companion....and would have sold him the bred mare...but, NOT when I think this man had been VERY MISLEAD.

If he just wanted to raise minis for a hobby or some extra cash...I would not have had a problem at all.

It was him thinking he was going to get RICH...if he trained these animals a certain way.

 

[nootka]

I understood exactly what you were getting at. Unfortunately, you are not going to change this person's mind, from the sounds of it.

It is too bad that they are so deluded and will likely lose money they can ill afford to.

I just hope that the animals involved will have loving homes despite the fact that they are ultimately unsuited for the job they are attempting to train for.

Liz M.

 

[Candleliteranch]

Lisa, I was also offended at first when I read your post. But I then went back and re-read it. I understand the point you're making is that it's the "job" the minis are going to be trained to do that you are opposed to, in addition to the fact that they are being led to believe that they will in fact become rich from it. I would not sell to anybody, disabled or not for what they are buying for (assuming that I'm 'assuming" who is behind this ploy and what they'll be trained for)

 

[Marty]

Chill Lisa I understand completely.

You are saying that you are not against selling to someone on disability.

You are saying that disability or not, you are not going to sell any horse to this guy because of what he plans to do with the horse.

I can guess too exactly what he has in mind.

He plans to breed them and train them for _____________Yup I know.

Ha ha, not a chance.

All I can say is there's one born every minute.

I wouldn't have had as much patience with him as you did Lisa.

I think you really did good.

 

[LisaF.]

Thanks guy's...I am HORRIBLE at trying to explain things when I type...LOL.

Yes, as I tried to explain in the other post...( you can read my reply)..on the other thread.

It was NOT the fact he was on disablity...it was the using his disablity and refiniancing his home to buy several miniature horses to train...( I think most people know what kind of training I am talking about)....so he would NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MONEY AGAIN...( his words). I truely beleive he has been VERY MISLEAD.

He was not wanting to buy just my miniature...he was asking me about other farms he should go to buy the other miniatures....he was only interested in one of my bred mares.

In my other thread...I posted about some of my family members that are disabled...( please read reply on the other post)...they are just as capable money and other ways of taking care of miniatures as I am.

I in NO WAY look down on anyone for being disabled.

 

[REO]

I also "read" what you didn't say in your first thread and I would have done the same. You tried to explain to him, it's not your fault if he won't listen.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

Of course the underlying worry is that there will be someone who will be only too glad to sell him as many as he wants, third rate at top whack, mares, foals, breeding "stallion" (complete with one testicle

).

I would have done exactly as you did.

I do hope this does not mean you have been receiving mean spirited e-mails?? I've just about had enough of those, I can tell you!! Just remember - EVERYONE- the "police" are out to get you at the moment, so be careful what you say.

Most of us can still be trusted to understand what you mean even when it is not said quite right, some nasty, narrow minded "lurkers" will twist what you say , even when it is said correctly.

Send them my way, let's see how they cope with the intricacies of English law!!!

 

[Cathy_H]

Lisa, I think most of us here read your whole post before forming an opinion. Unfortunately sometimes people zero in on one statement without taking the whole content into consideration.......................................... As breeders it is our responsibility to not sell to people who we feel (in our opinion) are way off track.... I still remember the gentleman who stopped in here after being told by a local breeder that he could send his kids through college by breeding & selling miniature horses

..................... I know of breeders where the $$$$ sign means more to them than the welfare of their horses thus I feel the main reason for so many neglected abused animals.....

Follow your heart.

 

[Denise]

I wouldnt worry to much about it. I understood exactly what you were trying to say. I'd like to know who filled his mind with that garbage of becoming rich if they trained then that "certain" way?

 

[small herd]

Lisa,

If "whoever" is offended they did not READ what you wrote. It was perfectly clear that you were NOT against the fact he was disabled.

If I were you, I would not have sold to him either under the circumstances.

 

[yankee_minis]

I understood what you meant.

I thought it was sad that this gentleman was using the only income he had available to him (probably for the rest of his life) on this venture that is NOT a good investment. Refinancing your home is not something you do without a great deal of risk. I see a bleak financial future for him. Sad.

Funny... I was doing a search on the Internet for something related to minis and up comes this book with a picture of a dwarf mini on it. I was surprised to see what the book was about and who wrote it. Didn't buy the book. Won't advertise it here. Nuff said.

 

[bevann]

I think those at fault are sometimes agencies who work with people with disabilities.They give people false hope and not enough reality about how hard it is to make money doing anything with animals.(too much emotion involved for most of us)Many years ago in DE there was a man who got some kind of large sum of money from a state organization who worked with the disabled.His disability was not an obvious to the eye.He had no background in breeding dogs, but went into the business of breeding and selling German shepherds.The organization paid for his fancy kennel, fencing and breeding stock.He lasted less than 3 years.What a waste of our tax money.The last time I saw him he was selling vacuum cleaners.Sometimes these organizations have people making decisions who don't have a clue what is going on.

 

[Buckskin gal]

Lisa, There is no doubt that you done what you thought was right and if we think it is right then that is all that matters. And please don't feel bad about someone taking what you said in the wrong way. I t happens a lot. Even what I said in response to your post was taken in the wrong way by several people. I guess they thought I was putting down disabled people not knowing I am disabled myself and would never put anyone down for something they have no say about. I was just hoping that someone else that was disabled could give me some advice on how to make the work a little easier with having a disability. I am fortunate to have a hubby that does the strenuous work but I am always open to ideas from people who have learned to lesson the work involved so I could help my hubby more. I am another that does not always word things just right but gosh I do wish a person didn't get jumped on so fast when so little information is known about another person. Hugs Mary

I would NEVER not sell a horse to someone on disiablity....I also DO NOT...think because someone is on disablity that means they are poor.
What I was trying to say...is this man was using his disabity  checks and refiniancing his HOME....because he wanted to start training for something I DO NOT beleive in. 

He TOLD ME....he was going to buy several minis for this program to start training and it would make him enough money he would never have to worry about money again...for him or his family.

I get so frustrated....It seems like everytime I post something people try to make something bad out of what I said.

If you would read my post again....I tried to talk him into a gelding for a companion....and would have sold him the bred mare...but, NOT when I think this man had been VERY MISLEAD.

If he just wanted to raise minis for a hobby or some extra cash...I would not have had a problem at all.

It was him thinking he was going to get RICH...if he trained these animals a certain way.

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[Miniv]

Lisa,

You DUN RIGHT GIRL! I understood what you were trying to say (although I had to read you post twice --

)

Frankly, regardless of what mistaken reason a person wants to buy your horse for -- the horse is YOUR'S to sell to whomever you feel comfortable selling to! Period!

MA

 

[user 488]

Lisa,
You DUN RIGHT GIRL!  I understood what you were trying to say (although I had to read you post twice --

) 

Frankly,  regardless of what mistaken reason a person wants to buy your horse for -- the horse is YOUR'S to sell to whomever you feel comfortable selling to!  Period! 

MA

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I agree! I reread your post also to make sure I was understanding what you REALLY meant.

Unfortunately.........and I have said this a number of times...............people just do not take the time to really read someones post and digest what they are really trying to say before their fingers start moving on the keyboard. The defensive side of people act much to quickly sometimes and a little more reading and comprehending would solve lots of these problems.

 

[runamuk]

Hmm I must have paid more attention than usual

I actually knew exactly what you were saying or trying to say........

Now I have this itty bitty tiny colt wonder if I trained it for ________ if I could be set for life....hmmmm...yeah right.....however I do believe he might be fun for someone who wants a teeny weeny to play with.......

for some comparison I was cleaning out the old filing cabinet......and came across info on miniatures I had collected years ago.........much of it is old sales lists and video's...but almost all of them claimed that money could be made in miniatures

and one in fact broke pricing down based on heights......toy being 28 and under and the most valuable

then there are the "pure" falabela's that are oh so desirable and priced accordingly........all of these price lists had the majority of horses starting at 2500....and pet quality 1500......wow how times have changed.......

 

[~Palomino~]

Lisa, I feel for you, and know EXACTLY what you mean,

If anyone wants to beleive you did not want to sell him this horse because he is disabled, its there own stupidity, And I am glad your bringing it to point!

Lisa isnt the type of person, who is in it for the money, and would sell a horse to just anyone that is trying to make money, and this man WAS trying to make money, and it would probably never happen, where would the minis be know, that he is in the hospital???? she offerd a gelding to him, but he wouldnt take it, cause it wasnt a way to make money! Lisa did the right thing!

GO LISA

and SHAME on the people who thought that you did not want to sell the mare because he was disabled!

-Gage-

 

[virginia]

I understood and agree with Lisa. Training minis to ___________will not get this man rich, it will get him poor. A couple of months back a big horse trainer came to me all excited about minis and training them. He wanted to buy a weanling for him and his son to train together. He came, he saw and he fell in love with minis. He loved this little black filly, then he fell in love with her mom. He then told me all his plans for taking this little one to hospitals, nursing homes etc. Wonderful plans. THEN he told me after she was old enough, she wanted to train her for_____then would donate her to this program. AArrrgh. At the risk of losing two very nice sales, I sat him down and we talked and talked and I gave him IMO why this wouldn't work and as a horseman he should know it wouldn't work.

He still bought the minis, his son has ttrained both of them for Nursing Homes and they all are very happy and NOT going into_______!!!

Ginny StP

 

[Dr. Pam]

geesh you guys, who WOULDN'T want a miniature horse that's been trained to play the piano??? I plan on training several so I can stop being a veterinarian and retire.

 

[LisaF.]

Wow...do I feel better...I am so glad most understood what I was trying to say...and to those that explained it for me.

Dr Pam..LOL