I have no idea about color

[Mominis]

I was looking around at websites last night and I ran across one that had several very nice horses for sale. The thing I didn't understand was that some that appeared to my untrained eye to be tobiano were listed as tovero. Admittedly, I have no idea what a tovero is, when I was a kid all I ever heard about were tobiano and overo. This whole tovero thing is new on me. Can someone please explain what the qualifications would be for a horse to be classified as a tovero?

 

[Watcheye]

From what I understand a Tovero is a Tobiano crossed with an Overo. I think my chestnut mare is a Tovero. She does have Sabino too though. I dont know if that changes things. Ive seen horses with similar patterns listed as Toveros. Each of her parents has one blue eye.

 

[Witts Mini Horse Ranch]

I am no expert on explaining...the colt in my avatar is a tovero, also his half brother from same dam which is a sorrel with a blaze and blue eye, one sire is a grey Tob the other a silver black tob

not the most flattering pic. There are guidelines in the patterns, I just don't know exactly what they are...I let the more knowledgeable tell me

 

[Loess Hills]

Here is the link to an article on the Tovero pattern. Colors and Marking.

 

Some characteristics of a Tovero colored horse include:

 

Dark pigmentation around the ears, sometimes called a "Medicine Hat" or a "War bonnet"

Dark pigmentation around the ears, expanding to cover the forehead and/or eyes.

Isolated "shield" dark markings completely surrounded by white, particularly on the face or chest.

One or both eyes blue.

Dark pigmentation around the mouth, which may extend up the sides of the face and form spots.

Chest spot(s) in varying sizes. These may also extend up the neck.

Flank spot(s) ranging in size. These are often accompanied by smaller spots that extend forward across the barrel, and up over the loin.

Spots, varying in size, at the base of the tail.

 

[Songcatcher]

Tovero is not a particular gene, but a combination of Tobiano and any one of the so-called "Overo" genes. Tobiano alone will not put white on the face, but combined with Frame, Splash, or Sabino, it will put white on the face also.

 

[little lady]

If I may add just because a horse has one tobiano parent and one overo parent does not make it a tovero. I do believe a tovero is decided by the placement of color as Loess Hills has posted. Now with that said and with seeing just one side of the horses posted Witts Mini Horse Ranch mini posted I would consider a tovero and Watcheye your mini I would consider a tobiano now all of that and a buck will get ya on a bus...lol! And I might add I am going by what APHA guidelines which I have followed all my life so I am not sure what the miniature horse associations guidelines are.

 

[Witts Mini Horse Ranch]

Now see why I let someone else tell me

Goes right over my head and what doesn't I can't remember anyway. My boys are Tovero right? Doesn't matter except that I wouldn't want to advertise them wrong.

Edited to say...my question was answered while I was posted, and the boys pretty much look the same on both sides

 

[little lady]

Witts Mini Horse Ranch in answer to your question...Yes both appear to be tovero and if I may add the little guy in your avatar is cute! I always seem to be drawn to the toveros due to their usually unusal markings.

 

[little lady]

I was looking around at websites last night and I ran across one that had several very nice horses for sale. The thing I didn't understand was that some that appeared to my untrained eye to be tobiano were listed as tovero. Admittedly, I have no idea what a tovero is, when I was a kid all I ever heard about were tobiano and overo. This whole tovero thing is new on me. Can someone please explain what the qualifications would be for a horse to be classified as a tovero?

mominis-Just to add I have noticed the same thing and it is probably because people don't know waht a tovero is or it could also be without seeing both sides of a horse we as the viewer may not see the tovero. I raised a filly that on one side looked totally tobiano and on the other a tovero. I should try to find picstures and post them.

 

[Becky]

Tovero is not a particular gene, but a combination of Tobiano and any one of the so-called "Overo" genes. Tobiano alone will not put white on the face, but combined with Frame, Splash, or Sabino, it will put white on the face also.

I agree with Freeland. I have also seen that over the years, as overos became more popular, so did the popularity of combination patterns and the term tovero. I too, however, have seen many horses advertised as tovero, when I have a hard time seeing it. I think it becomes a sales pitch.

Personally, I have been limiting my use of the term tovero and call my horses 'Pinto' which they indeed are. If they are known to have multiple patterns, I simply list those. Tobiano + Splashed White + Sabino, etc. I continue to note interesting pattern markings such as blue eyes, medicine hat, ink spots and paw prints, etc. I believe there is far less confusion that way.

 

[rabbitsfizz]

The very fact that everyone is so confused justs makes my case for me!

It is a pointless, outdated term used to describe a horse that has both Tobiano and Splash/Sabino and or Frame!

Since most people with Pintos still often think that Tobiano can and does have face white....well, really what is the point?

"Tovero" describes nothing.

Splash + Tobiano tells you roughly what to expect!

 

[Witts Mini Horse Ranch]

Witts Mini Horse Ranch in answer to your question...Yes both appear to be tovero and if I may add the little guy in your avatar is cute! I always seem to be drawn to the toveros due to their usually unusal markings.

Well, thank ya Lil Lady! I think he is going to be much nicer than his brother, he has 2 awesome blue eyes and wilder markings. I like his comforation better so far..he is a 2010 the other a 2008. His sire is out of the NFC Nashville bloodline and the other Bond Dynamo.

I am not sure what a Sabino is, the dam may be that. I also grew up with the APHA..so I see roan when miniature horse professions see grey

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Everytime a foal is born I send a pic to my Sista Robin (REO) and she always comes back with nice "whatever color he is". Far as I know she has never missed it. And I say he because they are ALWAYS he's.

Thanks again! I'm pretty proud of him...if Ava would just give me a filly just like him..she would be a keeper for sure.

Nancy

 

[REO]

Hey Sis! (Witts minis) I love seeing your babies! I hope the next one you show me is a FILLY!

Out of my 26 pintos, I think I only have 1 Tobiano, maybe 2 out of all my herd LOL

 

[targetsmom]

To make this even more confusing, I think the Pinto Association only recognizes "tobiano" and "overo" in the registry. You have to check one or the other on the registration form and they may change it on you anyway. But I agree "tovero" is confusing and it is much better to say tobiano and frame, or tobiano and splash. It would be nice if there was a test for splash. So according to PtHA, all of our minis are tobiano except the gray frame overo mare. That includes at least one that we KNOW is LWO+ and thus carries frame overo (that would be Max).