jj in foal? new mares pictures/soon jewel too!

Miniature Horse Talk Forums

Help Support Miniature Horse Talk Forums:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
An improvement over her bloody mucous. So, maybe this will be the last of the clean-out stool, and she'll turn the corner to regular little apples. Looks like quite a bit -- so we'll still watch and see!

As long as she's still active -- we won't worry.
 
Last edited:
Onyx has learned to like her yogurt. It is pretty darn cute if i say so myself. She had no stool at all today...and now I do trust if I don't find it -it didnt happen. Her poop is pretty obvious and hard to miss.

After a day of wagging her tail I called Diane to get the scoop on enemas. I gave her 1/2 an adult saline fleet..with results pretty quick. Dark brown/black stool..followed by a few little balls of dark brown. Not as much as yesterday but enough. Not yellow and soft as a nursing baby is supposed to have.I called a vet to see if they could test it for occult blood ...but they do not have the test papers. I will se eif they have some at walmart

She is being treated with the flagyl..and pen G which is a treatment for clostridia.The disease is terrifying and I scare myself everytime I look it up. Has anyone delt with this illness? I feel guilty because I didnt get her washed prior to foaling and nursing:

Today Temp was 101.7 degrees, gums light pink, capillary refill good, skin test skin good, urine dilute. Coat is shiney, she has spring to her step..only thing that concerned me today was the constant tail wagging and no poo. She may still be a little jaundice but i am not sure

She has been alive for 1 week now. Amazing that I have fallen in love so quick.

I could not find maalox..but did find mylanta..can I use this if I need to give banamine? and also found a gas reliever OTC med that comes recommended online as a treatment for gas in horses. I do not want to give much pepto becasue of her hard stool..and because I want to see her real color of her poo but have read it is good for foals with her suspected illness because it binds with toxins...

sorry so long..but that is the scoop on Onyx today
 
I am glad she is looking perky
default_smile.png
any bio sponge you give her is likely to bung her up which she doesn't need. I would talk to you vet about her not pooping as that is not good for her. They might suggest another enema or decide to give her more fluids. In a perfect world she would be better with an IV of fluids and her milk intake reduced but it isn't easy to do without experience.

Remember to wash her tail and backside when she poops cos the bacterial infested poop can burn her baby skin. Also remember to wash your hands after touching her as it is contagious to humans.

Keep up the good work cos you are doing great
default_smile.png
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Oh wow.. so sorry you are going through all of this. It is so good that she pooped.. it at least means she has been eating something. I recognize that bacteria you mentioned.. yes.. a bad one for the intestinal tract. We raise goats.. and only vaccinate them with CD-T which is for the bacteria Clostridium Perfringins and the C type of that Bacteria maybe what your little horse has as you may know. The 'D' type is more of a problem for goats to create 'pulpy kidney disease' and is why we have to vaccinate. I do not think horses have an approved vaccination for this and your mares are perhaps immune to it. Do not blame yourself. I washed our mare off several times and she would go find the yeckiest mud.. urine soaked straw to rub and roll her udder in it and I would try to clean it up again only to see her in the mud again. You have taken good care of your horse and done well to get her to the vet when you did. If indeed she does have that bacteria infection.. it is good she has done as well as she has -as it is a bad one for babies.. goats and other animals to get. Again.. so sorry.. and praying for you. Hang in there. You must be just so exhausted.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
There is no vaccine for horses for clostridia, but although there is a test that can be done, most vets look at foals with diarrhea at her age and guess clostridia -- and treat for it. They don't even test for it, because diarrhea in foals can be so life threatening they don't wait for the results.

I think I'd have another discussion with the vet -- because she is not having diarrhea at all, since the initial problem, and I'm kind of surprised that if she truly had the disease, I would think her diarrhea would continue past her 1 or 2 episodes. Instead, she's not pooping.

Something just doesn't make sense to me and I can't quite put my finger on it, as they say.......

I'm encouraged by the different poop behind all the black, tarry poop. I'm hoping we'll see more of that tomorrow -- it will certainly make me feel better. The enema should have made her feel better in the tummy, and hopefully some of her tail wagging will have stopped.

I would suggest that tomorrow you call and question the vet to discuss these past few days since she's been on medication, and let her know the diarrhea completely stopped after the first day, and she is not pooping but once every other day (in huge quantity), and then today with the enema (and describe it). Let them know she has good energy, is nursing well, is playing well, has no fever, etc., and see if they want to continue treating her for the clostridia -- or perhaps these past few days may shed some light on something else for them. I would speak to the equine vet, however, and what I would do is prepare a "time line" on paper with the different things that have been going on -- and make sure you make them understand you are giving them the timeline of events so they can see how she has been reacting to the medication.

I'm thrilled that she continues to do so well, and that you are so attentive to her changes. You have saved her life, and we will work through this problem.

Talk to you tomorrow! I'm here if anything changes.
default_yes.gif
 
I called the same vet clinic but requested a different doctor. Maybe I stepped on some toes..but he is the horse vet I had requested in the beginning, that was off.

It was soo very helpful all the posts I made about her..her behavior and esp her stools. there is a regualr diary of onyx's life on here very ez to fill vet in.

I think I am going to make an appointment for friday with him. Just as a good follow up.

He said to keep her on the metronozole. (sp i know,,can't say it either
default_yes.gif
,,,) and the Pen g

give her access to water, maybe even syringe some. To check her rectum with a finger and only use a fleet saline enema when i feel hard stool.

watch her temp..keep her hydrated..and that is about it.

I think I may try formula supplement. He seemed to think if she is not pooping she is not getting enough milk. I think her GI tract has just slowed down..surely she wouldnt be gaining steadily with muscle and shiney coat i\f she is not getting enough milk?

he said some virus's affect horses this way..duh thought we were treating a bacterial infection.
default_giveup.gif


any hoo...gave onyx the other half of the enema this monring. Her poop itself looked much better.Pics coming soon! OH GOODY . Was brown..formed no blood. Not terribly hard..and not loose.Boy that tells ya alot huh? What I didn't like was it had tisse shreds in it. Vet wanted to call it mucous..it was not mucous.It was tissue.Prob as inflamed as her bowels were its not too alrming?

she is a pistol. Now she has decided if i touch her rear end by her tail..it is the cue for full out kick ya's. I know it is sooooo bad of me but it is soo adorable.She jumps things in her way and has figured out how to jump out the barn door because of a step down.anyway as usual pics when hubby canget home and upload them
 
Oh can't wait for pictures. Well.. you have been able to weigh out all of these things and know best what is really going on. She probably initially had a bacterial infection.. then now it is probably all the meds (antibiotics) slowing her gut down.(Which you probably have already concluded) Is there a powder type probios you could even mix in with the yogurt? Her little gut may not have the enzymes it needs to get things digested. I think with the brown poops, hopefully you are getting there.
 
Sorry, just doing a catch up here. I just want to say what a wonderful Momma you have been and are being to little Onyx, she couldn't have better attention anywhere.
default_yes.gif


It sounds as though she is making good progress, bacterial infections can really lay a foal low, plus all the meds cause havoc with their delicate little systems. She is just an amazing little girl, such a fighter to have stayed full of life and energy with all this going on, bless her! I think you are right to stick with the equine vet from now on, but if he wont come out just to do a check over, I'm not sure that I would transport again to see him - he would get a better idea of her 'active' ways if she was on her home ground!

Good luck, my prayers are continuing. Cant wait for some more pics - even if they include close-ups of poo!!
 
alrighty then...i will start with thepoop! I hope colon lining can rejuvenate. no further poos today..and none I could feel in her rectum. he said I would be able to put a finger in there.Hers is very tiny..I was able to get a lil finger there..but that was pretty hard.

temp 101.8poopmayx.JPG

now the fun part...

onyxf.JPG

onyxtree.JPGonyxitch.JPG

I hope we will be over this soon..I can not imagine losing her

onyxxxxxXXXpXX.JPG

onyxxxc.JPG

onyxpretty.JPG

onyxf.JPG
 
She's looking great!!! With no temperature, we just need to get her gut moving again. The brown poop is great!! She's on her way!

I know someone said probios here, but I'm going to make a different suggestion. Don't think I'm crude, but to get the natural flora back into her system, I would pick up some clean poop from momma, crush it and mix it with the yogurt or with momma's milk and syringe into baby. Foals normally eat their mom's poop to add the proper bacteria to their systems as they get a little older. But adding mom's poop to her "diet" might just get her system working with all the proper enzymes. Sounds gross, but it just might work!

She's looks just great! So perky!
 
tail is constantly wagging. I have no idea why...She is more mellow today...but it may be she is getting used to being handled. She snuggles now..once you catch her of course!

Diane I actually thought about that..but then I saw her eating some of moms fresh. So do you think I should anyway? I know when I had an orphan foal given to me..I had to put some horse stool with him to get things going

SO..anyone know...with intestinal /colon lining...if thats what it is and I would bet it is....does it rejuvenate?? I need to look that up :>/

still this is good right? better then blood and mucous blobs
 
Last edited by a moderator:
If she's doing it on her own, then maybe it's nature's way of getting her going, and she's "fixing things" on her own.

I certainly think that her current poop is more "postivie" than the blood and mucous she was having. I would say that any skin would rejuvenate, and she must be sloughing off something or damaged in her bowel. Just like an ulcer would heal and close over, if she's shedding damaged tissue, then new tissue is probably taken it's place, pushing the old off.

Never seen anything like it before, but we'll just have to continue to watch and monitor how she does.

It sounds like this vet is at least listening to you -- which I think is an improvement -- and with the information you're able to give, should keep him up-to-date with her symptoms and reactions. I think that's very positive in the process.

As long as she is fever free then it may be just giving enough time for healing to occur. The tail flagging could just be a reaction that she's still not feeling 100% or something just is still bothering her. But she sure is better than she was.

Keep us posted. Praying like mad that it all gets figured out!
default_pray.gif
default_pray.gif
 
Congrats on your sweet baby, and may I say wow, you sure have been through a lot. You've held up like a champion, and things are looking good. You deserve a big pat on the back for everything you are doing for your foal. I'm so impressed and I know you have a huge fan club rooting for you!!!
default_wub.png
 
Those pictures are great, she looks just perfect - amazing considering all that she is going through and it's all thanks to your brilliant care and attention.
default_thumbup.gif


i agree that if she's picking and nibbling at Momma's poo it could be a good sign that instinct is helping her to get her gut back to normal. Has the vet said how long she needs to continue with the meds? Fingers crossed that she is now over the worst and will make steady progress towards a full recovery.
default_yes.gif


Keep those pictures coming -she is just soooooooooooo cute!
 
thank you guys. I so appreciate the uplifting messages.I just love her so much. She is everything I have wanted for a very long time.

She was extremely strong last night. Was a job for my husband and me to hold her while I gave her her shot. I HATE shots. I have been using the back leg muscle..is there another safe place to im a foal. She has got to be like hamburger in those muscles.

This morning she was very fiesty. Took several good kicks at me when i tried to catch her. And HARD to give the shot to. she is a pistol for sure.

I think i am going to do the feed the poop thing today. I will mix it in her yogurt..surely it may help and cant hurt?.

the vet had said to keep her on the peniciilin shots until her stool turn normal and then do 2 more days, I wonder if yesterdays stool could be considered normal? what do you think?

she wil be on the metro 10 days...sunday morning will be her last dose.

Considering how she is...do you think i should make an appointment with a vet? There is a very good horse vet..not from the clinic I have been using... I would have to trailer her there...I really can't do the farm call charge. It is a minimum of $100 just to get here. Of course if it was critical i would do it..but considering everything ..again..what do you think?>

I have a feeling we have turned the corner. It will be such a relief to know she is 100% fine!
 
She looks great! Sounds like she is on the mend.

I understand about vet trip charges, we don't live close to a good vet either so it is always expensive to have them out.

I will leave the advice for the experienced ladies. It sure seems like what you are doing is working.

Praying for continued health for Onyx and all your critters.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
OH she is just a beautifully shaped little filly. AND she looks to have a good weight and the stout little baby horse bottom too. She must be getting enough of something. That poop also looked like it had digested grass fibres in it.. probably from eating her mamma's poo. Our baby filly sure ate a lot at the first 3-5 days enough to get me almost worried but horses evidently require a lot more bacteria enzymes in the gut than other animals. All of this has been a great learning experience at the expense of your little filly but we do appreciate you providing all this information to us all. It has caused me to really read up as much as I can. So happy she is doing better. For her to shed the tissue like that without any blood involved I would say is a good thing. It must mean ..the body has repaired the area quite well.

You must make sure in all of this .. that you have your husband take a picture of you with this baby. It will mean so much for a later time to look back on.
 
If she is nibbling at Momma's poo naturally, then I'm not sure that I would be giving her extra in the yoghurt?? Never having been through what you are going through I may be wrong about this, so hoping someone else will have an answer for you!
 
How is her poo looking now?

Such a pretty fiesty girl -- I'm hoping she's turned the corner for you, and you can do a bit more relaxing and watching her.

I'll check here to see your answer during work, but as always, if you need anything, please feel free to call!
 

Latest posts

Back
Top