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Bozley

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I have seen leg weights in several miniature horse catalogs but I have never used them. I use to use them with my saddlebreds growing up. In fact, the saddlebreds had them on pretty much all the time.

I am just curious are they really used that often with minis? If so, when do they wear them? Are they worn just in the stall or just when worked etc?

We show at small local shows so I don't think I would have a use for them. But I am just curious if they really are used that much and when.

Thanks!

Sue
 
ello!

leg weights are normaly used in minis when the horse doesnt have that great of a trot and the person wants a pick up action! example when the horse has a lazy step and they want them to really pick up there legs when troting, mostly used on driving horses! most use the weights when they are working them like lunching on when jumpiing jsut noraml troting work outs! u can make them at home useing a hose , i dont use them my horse has a awesome trot! um i dont know alot of people that use themours doesnt! but i know of one other barn around there that does! anyway i hope this helps!

just be careful if u are going to use them!
 
Mini Express sells what they call "Flip Flops" for $20.00 and it improves the action in the front. Shetland people use them as well only weighted heavier than of miniatures. They are illegal to have on you horse while stalled at a AMHR show also.

There also is weighted bell boots and chain boots that I think Lisa C. from Ozark Mountain sells also.
 
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I absolutly loathe weighted boots and chain boots. They supposedly give or create more action, and to me its obvious what horses have been exposed to them.

If your driving horse doesnt have desirable action, so be it! You then need to get a horse with more NATURAL action. Besides, they are illegal on A and R show grounds. I have seen plenty of times the weights misused.

No flames please- just my own opinion. Not attacking anyone.
 
I have some of the Star Lake "flip flops" for them too..they are great. You can make your own..just take a garden hose and cut about a 1ft section of it...cut it down the middle and bend it over and duck tape it and put on a ring on a toy size dog collar and you have the same thing really.

I also have the chain action boots and weighted bell boots. I use them in the roundpen really...mine are mostly halter horses, do not have any driving horses standing out in the barn.

Also have a few sets of the little chain link that set upon the fetlock...all just depends upon the horse of course
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I use them in my workout everyday in the show season. Makes them work harder. I haven't really see any improvement as far as giving a horse more action. They either have it or they don't. But mine are sure huffing and puffing by the time they are done with them.
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I have the sandbag type ones (red ones in star lake tack). They have a really nice velcro system so they can't kick them off and you don't have to deal with buckles.
 
Keri,

So you are basically using them to help muscle them up and give them a little harder workout as apposed to creating action? That would make sense to me. Would it primarily build muscle in the chest and hind end? I agree, if they don't have action naturally, then they do not. But maybe for a better workout it might make sense. At what age would you start using them? I would think you would start out at very small increments to build them up too.

My gelding has a very small chest and thin neck. Granted, he is only a yearling and he has a lot of growing to do. So I am just letting nature take its course right now and letting him run around and play with the other horses. Who know's by next spring he could be a totally different horse.

I am just curious for those horses that are full grown what people would do to build up this area. Driving or a bitting rig? Using the weights? I figure humans use weights to redefine their body. But we can speak and know our limits so it concerns me a bit when doing it to a horse. I would think you would have to be very careful as not to over do it.

I am really just curious about what people do that can change the look of your horse SAFELY. I am not even saying I will do it. I just am curious more than anything.

Sue
 
Mini Express sells what they call "Flip Flops" for $20.00 and it improves the action in the front. Shetland people use them as well only weighted heavier than of miniatures. They are illegal to have on you horse while stalled at a AMHR show also. There also is weighted bell boots and chain boots that I think Lisa C. from Ozark Mountain sells also.

[SIZE=12pt]I was wondering
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I looked on Mini Express but didn't see anything called ":Flip Flops" ? What are they?[/SIZE]

Thanks,

Joy
 
Bozley said:
At what age would you start using them? I would think you would start out at very small increments to build them up too.
My gelding has a very small chest and thin neck. Granted, he is only a yearling and he has a lot of growing to do. So I am just letting nature take its course right now and letting him run around and play with the other horses. Who know's by next spring he could be a totally different horse.

I am just curious for those horses that are full grown what people would do to build up this area. Driving or a bitting rig? Using the weights? I figure humans use weights to redefine their body. But we can speak and know our limits so it concerns me a bit when doing it to a horse. I would think you would have to be very careful as not to over do it.

I am really just curious about what people do that can change the look of your horse SAFELY.

Sue
Hi Sue, I think you have the right outlook here. Your horse is just a baby- of course he's skinny and awkward and narrow!
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He may very well stay like that right up until his late three year old year if left alone; some of them do, just like young human males may not fill out until their late teens. Halter trainers specialize in putting those young bucks "in the gym" so to speak and building up their muscling early and if done CAREFULLY that's probably fine. My focus is on performance rather than halter and I tend to only have one horse at a time so I'm more concerned with the horse's long-term soundness than with early maturity. For me I would focus on feeding that baby plenty of good protein (LOTS of hay, as I've learned from Nootka) to help him build mass and fill out and basically let him be a baby with as much free play as he can stand.

Once he's mature (at least three years old) the best way I know to build muscle is to drive. Just hitching them up to the cart isn't enough- the horse needs to be taught to carry himself and it is that process which will build his topline, broaden his chest and strengthen his underline. Heck, you can completely change a horse's muscling just by long-lining with never a cart or roundpen in sight if you're doing it correctly! I'm not fond of bitting rigs because they hold the horse in place rather than making him develop the muscle to do it himself. Horses that are incorrectly trained will learn to lean on the check and develop bulging underlines with flat, hollow backs and a dip in front of the withers so beware of thinking that a headset makes good muscles. It's all about how they use the rest of their bodies.
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The head is an afterthought.

Regarding the use of weights, I also do not approve of using them to create action in a non-animated horse. If the horse doesn't have the action to begin with it isn't going to do more than create a false and unaesthetic sort of movement that is very unpleasant to watch. But using it to create muscling for a specific purpose, yes, I can possibly see that. If I were to start using them on Kody for instance it would be to help condition him for water hazards and other deep footing he has to go through at speed in combined driving. I have no creeks or aqua treadmills in my area that I can lead him through or drive him in to recreate the actual experience but without that conditioning he's at a disadvantage so I can see putting light ankle weights on him to simulate deep footing. I probably wouldn't use them when driving as I want his concentration on the dressage work I'm asking him to do and not on lifting his feet high. To me the time to use them would be during roundpenning or lunging, things that are pure conditioning. I'd warm the horse up thoroughly first and when he's nice and loose and engaged I'd give him a short cool-down break while I applied the boots then send him back out for two to five minutes or until the horse appeared to be winded or losing animation (indicating tiredness). Don't overdue it! It'll take the horse a week or two to become accustomed to the extra weight and then you can start slowly increasing the time he wears them. Let the horse be your guide as to what is enough.

Be careful also in just slapping them on a young horse. As you said, they can't tell us when they're getting sore or feeling the beginning of an injury and an unconditioned animal has not yet developed the bone density or muscle strength of an older athlete. I wouldn't worry about using them on Kody because he's had a couple of years of basic driving, a year spent building a foundation of conditioning work, then two years of LSD (long slow distance) work on pavement and interval training to build speed in the cart. He's TOUGH! A couple of years ago I would have worried about injury. Now I think he's more than ready for it and at a point where it would accomplish something that regular driving in firm footing simply can't.

For now, let your baby be a baby. When he's old enough start round-penning him and building his wind, then after he's had time to become conditioned you can consider adding weights for short periods of time and working from there. I figure I'll wear ankle weights for as long as he does- that should keep me from overdoing it!
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Leia
 
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Leia,

That was wonderful advice and I completely agree with you. It is nice to hear someone that has a lot more experience than I say exactly what I was thinking. It just solidifies what I think is the best way to handle things and I appreciate it.

Rhett is my first weanling/yearling so I think I am going through growing pains as much as he is. I keep thinking "Is this how he is always going to look?". I love him so much, and he is in his forever home (as are all my horses) but I look at his skinny neck, skinny chest, big, plain head and I think "Ugh". But he has a wonderful easy going, willing personality so if he doesn't end up being a "halter horse" I know he will be an awesome performance horse and a "keeper" no matter what.

Thanks everyone! I plan on taking this post and the one I posted about his "plain head" and using them for future reference.

Having LB for advice is a god send!

Sue
 
Mini Express sells what they call "Flip Flops" for $20.00 and it improves the action in the front. Shetland people use them as well only weighted heavier than of miniatures. They are illegal to have on you horse while stalled at a AMHR show also. There also is weighted bell boots and chain boots that I think Lisa C. from Ozark Mountain sells also.

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I looked on Mini Express but didn't see anything called ":Flip Flops" ? What are they?[/SIZE]

Thanks,

Joy
They call them flip flops because when the horse is wearing them and walks..they sound like flip flops
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. They are what i explained in my first post...pretty simple..take about 1ft of a garden hose, cut it down the middle long ways and fold each of them over and duck tape, attach to a ring then attack that ring to a toy size dog collar..i'll try to find a pic.
 
I don't start using them until they are 2. Let them wear them lunging for about 5 minutes and then take them off and continue my workout. From there, I just slowly build them up to it. I think it tones them up a bit better in their chests and shoulders and hind end (since they are pushing a bit harder). I also thinks it helps with driving. If they are driving in a less than stellar areana, they'll already have the muscle build up in their chests and hind end to keep going (unlike other horses who aren't in as good as shape as they are).
 

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