My straight egyptian mare's only foal to date

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It is very interesting when you start reading and researching. I have spent so many hours researching Shafeena's pedigree, I can get as far back as approximately 1894. The other mare I lost last year and who was a rescue I took in at the age of 26 when she first came to me I found out she was pure crabbet breeding and was descended from the first imports into North America by Kellogg's (yes the cereal giant who was enamoured with arabians), Hearst, etc.. I found this out through a researcher who spent many hours finding about about Shari for me (Budjar El Sharifa). Even though she was not considered "straight" egyptians she had many in her pedigree and many horses of Lady Ann Blunt. Absolutely fascinating reading for sure.

I have spent many years thinking about breeidng Shafeena and found some amazing stallions that I would love to use on her but some are rather pricey for AI, some as high as $10,000. I could also use the same stallion as for her first foal as he is not far from me and that could be a live cover. I just don't know at this point if I have the time and energy because my goal at the time of buying Shafeena was to breed her and go to the Egyptian Event with her offspring. I need to make a decision soon.
 
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Arabs are my first love, also! jennifer
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This is what was written about Shari (my rescue arabian) in another forum and I have made a scrapbook that I cherish ever since I lost this matriarch. It's long but for those fascinated with arabians and some of the history behind these horses. I wish we had this kind of history about our minis. There is so little we know about them basically.

Hi Danielle,
First and foremost may I add my regards to you, for your wonderful gesture to this most wonderful Arabian mare?

Budjar el Sharifa carries the blood of so many famous horses, on her dam’s side, it is true to say that she is Crabbet, she is more than that she is also G.S.B.

On the Top line (Sire) it may surprise you to know she also carries the blood of Crabbet Park and is also G.S.B, this time through the blood of Kokab.

One horse stands out in this glittering show of fantastic Arabian blood. The name of this horse is. MESAOUD, it’s all over her pedigree, from top to bottom, sadly too many famous names to print here, finally you say she is not Egyptian, that may be, but most of her blood goes straight back to the desert.

She is a pure princess and now she has found her PALACE.

God will bless you for this.

Regards

Hi, I am not Gari but maybe I can help anyway. Your new rescue mare (and it is a wonderful thing you did) is highly concentrated Hearst on the sire line and pure Crabbet bottom.
Preston Dyer JR. was General George Patton's manager and trainer of thoroughbred hunters jumpers and polo ponies for 9 years. In 1945 he became manager of San Simeon Stables, CA. Los Angeles Examiner May 16, 1948. July 1947 Hearst imported 14 Arabian horses from Syria and Lebonon. From Horse Lover Magazine Feb-Mar. 1948 issue. They are registered with AHR #4205-4218.

The following from Arieana Arabians tells their story: http://www.arieana.com/nbimport.html

William Randolph Hearst is the grandfather of Patty Hearst who was kidnapped some years ago. W.R. ran a newspaper empire. It is interesting that Homer Davenport, famed for his own importation from the desert, worked for Hearst.

http://www.wiwfarm.com/The_Davenport_Arabi..._came_to_be.htm

and your horse has lines to two stallions of that group, *Hamrah and *Euphrates (both full brothers) and their dam was also imported this was *Urfah.

These Heart imports were crossed on the ranch mares that descend from those horses now termed CMK. http://www.desertweyr.com/horses/cmkmbheritage.php (the Hearst Syrian imports are also termed CMK).

These horses are about as far from today's airy fairy Saddlebred types as you can get. Back then, Arabian horses were ridden. They were used as working horses, won endurance rides, utilized to improve horses for the Army. I believe your mare qualifies for CMK preservation breeding, as her sireline is *Nimr (imported by Randolph Huntington) and she is at least 75% descended from horses of Crabbet, Maynesboro, and W.K. Kellogg (the cereal king). In fact, I think your horse is 100% CMK.

The sireline of your horse includes Nejal who is out of Larkspur, she out of Onrust, who is out of Nonliker. Nonliker is by the first Egyptian import to America, *Shahwan and out of *Nejdme who was brought to America by the Hamidie Society for the World's Fair of 1893.. *Nejdme was desert bred, and the ONLY reason she was allowed to leave the desert is because she was considered barren. The Hamidie Society's story is like none you have ever read, and a longtime breeder of Davenport horses has written about it as follows:

http://www.wiwfarm.com/WhiteCityI.html

In this article, A. G. Asdikian described their arrival:

"Early one bright may morning in the year of our Lord 1893 the neighborhood of Thirtieth Street and Michigan Avenue was shaken up as if by a terrible earthquake. The much heralded 'Hamid Hippodrome Co.' had at last arrived in Chicago, and before going to their resting place they had come to serenade the Turkish Commissioners. After tramping over a poor newsboy, upsetting three milk wagons and driving hotel employees into hysterics, there they were with their prancing steeds and flashing scimitars, men dressed in all the colors of the rainbow, directors sitting in open carriages with elegantly uniformed valets perched up with the drivers, donkeys braying, women screeching and the music the most deafening ever heard in any part of the globe. When 120 well trained throats commenced yelling "Long Live the sultan," we thought the big Lakota Hotel, like the walls of Jericho, would fall down. Thus the $3,000,000 Syrian show had landed in Chicago penniless."

In the end, the Chicago loan sharks got ahold of them, and the horses were seized to pay their bills. *Nejdme was a true desert mare, and truly loved her rider. She would come after strangers with bared teeth, but she was loving only to Hadji Hassan

Among those visiting the Chicago World's Fair - Homer Davenport (Imported Arabian desert bred horses from the same tribes as did the Blunts), Henry Babson (imported Arabians from Egypt and Poland), Randolph Huntington (breeder of Anazeh), Ramsdell (imported *Shahwan who was the only Ali Pasha Sherif stallion ever to come to America), F.F. Vidal (from England, and a judge at the exhibition for Arabian horses, exported *Naomi to Huntington) and the Duke of Veragua: Direct descendant of Christopher Columbus, the Duke of Veragua was naturally the Guest of Honor at the Columbian Exposition, and was present to open the Fair with President Grover Cleveland. His family, including his fourteen-year-old son, also attended as honored guests of Chicago. This boy, Don Cristobal Colon Aguilera, later inherited the title of Duke of Veragua and is remembered for importing 5 daughters of Skowronek to Spain, including a full sister to *Rifala, dam of *Raffles. Also imported was a 3/4 brother to Skowronek. It is said the Duke was killed while trying to shield his horses from the army that was using his herd for target practice.

Your new horse traces to the Arabians of Huntington:

http://www.wiwfarm.com/Huntington.html

These were tough horses, able to be ridden. The second part of this article describes the amazing stamina of *Naomi:

http://www.wiwfarm.com/Huntington2.html

Wilfrid Blunt, who with his wife Lady Anne imported Arabians to their Crabbet Park in England, thought very highly of *Naomi. Wilfrid offered Vidal his choice of any of three mares in exchange. But Vidal felt none of them equaled *Naomi and the deal never came about.

This link to the story of *Kismet tells of how Spencer Borden was so impressed with the *Kismet son *Nimr that he offered Huntington his entire herd of 200 horses just for *Nimr's dam *Nazli, who was *Naomi. (All these horses are in your mare's pedigree.)

http://www.arieana.com/nbkismet.html

And here is *Kismet's story:

http://www.arieana.com/nbkismet.html

*Nazli's sire was Maiden http://www.arieana.com/nbmaidan.html who was used for twelve years in campaigns through the mountainous regions of India and Afghanistan until Brownlow was killed in the fight at Kandahar at the end of the famous 300 mile forced march of Lord Roberts's Army from Kabul.

The following link has the most wonderful articles on CMK horses, and includes many of the ancestors of your horse.:

http://www.wiwfarm.com/crabbetcmk.html

And here are more very useful links, including references to ancestors of your horse:

http://www.arieana.com/notebook.html

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3...MKDAMLines.html

We are not even finished with the top line of your mare, but before leaving must include the French import *Kola, who had many foals for Brown. Other than that, the rest of the pedigree is overwhelmingly Crabbet. This is the "GSB" which is the General Stud Book of England. The Blunt's daughter Lady Wentworth carried on the breeding of the Arabian horses and exported all over the world. Your mare has two crosses to Indian Gold by *Raswan, son of Skowronek. There is another line to Skowronek through Rangoon. Indian Gold was sold to Russia in a group of Arabians when a collection that was taken up by the public could not meet the Russian's price to keep these horses in England. Lady Wentworth had difficulty meeting the very high taxes on Crabbet Park, otherwise she would not have sold so many good horses. So when the Russians came, she hid her best colt so they would not see him as they were tough negotiators.

The Blunts, Wilfried and Lady Anne originally started out to import thoroughbred type Arabian horses. And their first imports were rather plain. But then they thought it would be useful to start breeding the Arabians for themselves rather than to improve on the Thoroughbreds. It was at this time, many priceless mares were stolen and ridden in haste through the desert to be sold to the Blunts. Then, one day they came across the Egyptian horses. They were so impressed, that they concentrated on getting as many superior Arabians as they could from the Pashas of Egypt. Mesaoud was one of those, and his good blood can be found literally all over the world - Poland, England, Africa, Brazil, Argentina, Hungary, England, Spain, Egypt. Wherever you find Arabian horses, you will find the blood of Mesaoud.

Your horse's pedigree is on Allbreed: use the following link or just put her name in the search and it will load.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?...l_font=1&l=

You can view photos of her ancestors, click on reports then on photos.

There is a wealth of information on the web about the horses and people involved with your horse's ancestors. Using google.com just enter the name of a horse or person, then put Arabian after it. I hope this answers some of your questions, and proves useful to you. The history of the Arabian horse is fascinating and well worth learning.
 
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