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WolfLady

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I have gotton my first mini!!! Oh he is a darlin - i belive him to be a bay :D. I am proud to have him and want to do not just good by him but great. To do so I need to learn. :new_shocked:

So here goes ---

1. He is 6 months old, Name Commanchee (im Kim). When do i start ground work with him?

2. How many times a day and what do you feed your guys?

3. Reasons to geld or not? And IF i keep him as a stallion how do i raise to have manners?

thank you to all.
 
If you start working him now in hand and work with ground manners, he'll grow up to be mindful of you. Dont hitch him to a cart untill he's at least 2 years old so that he can grow and fill out. But slowly in harness is ok. Im not sure exactly what age, Im sure someone can give you more details.
 
Congrats on your new addition!!

Ground manners are very important in any horse but especially colts. At this age he should be halter broke and lead properly. You should be able to handle his legs, hooves, mouth etc. If you want a great all around horse then I would geld him. Stallions can be more to handle and more unpredictable in their behavior.

Some people start line driving the fall of the second year and then put the cart on when they are 3 years old. You cannot show in driving until they are 3.

You will find that there are as many different ways to feed a horse as there are horses. In general I recommend a good quality green hay and for horses under a year a good complete feed like equine jr. Growing foals need a lot of nutrition to keep up with their body growing. The myth of only feeding minis a handful of hay a day is just that. A huge myth!

Cant wait to see pictures of your new guy

Kay
 
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This is my Commanchee --- What do yall think?
 
Don't forget to offer a salt block at all times. We now offer three kinds- plain white, iodized and the mineral salt blocks.

I agree, a good feed like the Purina Equine Jr will give him many things he needs, in addition to some fresh nice hay.

He is quite plump!! I think that a good quality hay and the Equine Jr will help shape him up and get rid of his big belly. Be careful on your excercise- we do not longe much with babies- too hard on them, but he could learn a LITTLE bit and it will also help him learn his voice commands of walk, trot and whoa that he will need later in driving. We do a lot of just going for walks if you need to shape up a weanling.

I agree with gelding... unless you are really breeding several mares, a stallion is a pain sometimes.

Oops, just edited to add, make sure he is on a regular worming program and his shots too.
 
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I was also told something about getting large bellies from being weaned early? can someone explalin that? He was weaned at 4 months.
 
WolfLady, your little man is not "plump" he is suffering from not enough nutrition due to his growth process/needing more quality feed. If you look and feel closely, you will notice that the bony structures over his back and hips are quite easily seen and even more easily felt. These should be covered with a layer of fat and muscle, and it will take some months to get him back into shape. It's common for little, growing ones to have this problem, so don't feel bad, just be glad you caught it and can do something about it. His dullish coat is another sign that he's needing some feed put into him.

The large belly is not from early weaning. My foals are often weaned around 4 months and I have never had one get that large of a belly. It will respond to more and better feed as well as a good quality worming program/rotation.

Increase his development (a Junior formulated feed like Purina or something similar) feed, get him a good quality hay, a mineral or salt block (as indicated by the feed label for the brand you use). He will even out his little round belly and his topline will look much better.

Whatever you are feeding now, increase it by a little at a time until you are at a level which is good for the manufacturer's directions (usually they give feeding guidelines on the tags for the feed or the website, which involves a weight on the horse and the feed, such as 1 lb. per hundred lb. of horse, and guessing your guy might be 100 lb. or thereabouts, I would be feeding him at least 1 lb. per day of the feed, if that is what they say, for example).

I would add soaked beet pulp, also, as it tends to get them filled out a little more quickly.

The worming is a good thing to address, and you might want to run this by your vet, and do not use the brand Quest, no matter what, as it is not safe for Miniatures.

I start my ground manners training from birth, and a foal/colt needs to be mindful of your space, as in not crowding or bumping you, and never biting or kicking, etc. Pinning his ears at you is the beginning of aggression and should not be tolerated. If you keep reminding him as he grows and tries his new tricks, you should be able to better keep him in check. Consistency and patience is the key, much as in human children.
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I don't "work" my weanlings other than those above things and teaching them to "stand" for halter, as well as patience when tied.

I end up feeding my horses about three to four times a day, but I have that luxury beings as I or someone else is here almost constantly.

I usually feed the grain two to three times a day depending on time of year, and the hay I parcel out over several feedings. My weanies get free choice, as in if they eat it all up in a few hours' time, I will put more out and they have a poor quality pasture to graze on in the meantime, since it's admittedly poor, I supplement with a high quality orchard grass hay.

If he were mine, I would geld him and enjoy him as a pleasure horse or a show horse in that capacity.
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Later on down the road, if you decide to breed, you can take all you've learned in the meantime and find just the right stallion to breed to your mare, it's really fun stallion shopping for breedings!

Hope this helps.

Liz M.
 
Seems to me you've chosen the worst possible combination to start out with.
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(You said this is your first mini, but didn't say anything about horse experience in general) Young horses aren't really beginner animals, and neither are stallions. To get both at the same time (especially if you are new to horses in general) is a minor (or major) disaster waiting to happen. I'm going to assume that you are relatively new to horses, and this assumption may very well be completely wrong, in which case I appologize in advance
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Weanlings need a lot of work in manners; how to walk straight and respect your space, how to react to "things" in general and things you do him in paticular. He's got to learn to pick up hooves, back up, move in responce to pressure, and how to be a gentleman. That's a lot of work, and not something I think I'm ready for even after six years of working with both stallions and foals. I'm happy to do the basics, but I'm not comfortable in raising a foal to a stallion just yet. Both my studs are older, and came pre-imprinted with those early manners and basic training. All I do is improve (I hope) on that training.

Stallions are a questionable subject. I'm all for leaving them intact even never intending to ever breed them, but it takes a special understanding of how they opperate and a commitment to his wellbeing and training that is over and above your average horse. It also takes willpower to decline someone offering you money to breed to your horse. The urge to have his "son" or "daughter" is a strong one.

I'm assuming (again with the assuming) that you are more like a "normal" person (unlike me) who only keeps animals intact if they plan to breed. In which case, what does this boy offer that is going to improve the breed? Is it worth the significantly more care and work that would go into training him? Would other people (since "other" people are the ones that are going to be paying to breed to him) find him so special that they would wish to have his prodigy? Do you have the stud management skills to work with a green stallion, house him safely, and turn him into a well mannered adult without the baggage many stallions end up with?

I would suggest castrating him sooner rather than later if you answer no to those questions. They are intended to make you think and question YOUR desires, not to tell you what to do. Its your horse, so ultimately its your decision what to do with him. There are so many people breeding these days we are seeing a huge "excess" of unwanted horses, driving prices down and making horses into commodities that other, non-horsey people's tax money is starting to have to support. Its a question only you can answer, so please think long and hard
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And if I'm full of it and wrong with my assumptions, just feel free to ignore, lol.
 
HI, I AM NIKKI AND WOULD LIKE TO SAY WELCOME AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR NEW GUY! YOU HAVE HAD GOOD REPLIES SO FAR SO I GUESS I WON'T SAY THE SAME THINGS OVER AGAIN! HAVE FUN, NIKKI
 
Very exciting getting your first miniature! He looks like a handsome, calm boy. If you have no training experience, you might try the John Lyons tapes. They are for big horses, but have lots of good tips for small horses, too.

Depending on the conditions where you got him, he might need worming. I think the concensus is NOT to use Quest wormer on miniatures. You might take a fecal sample to your vet and see exactly what--if any--parasites might be present. He can recommend a wormer for you.

Does he have a companion? If you are his only companion he will appreciate lots of your attention.

I gelded my colts, as I was interested in driving and having an equine companion, not in breeding. They were pushy, trying to shove me around, and rearing. If you don't want to geld, be prepared to deal with that.

There is so much to learn and this forum is chock full of knowledge and experience.

Good luck!
 
Ok this has all been wonderful advice! :saludando: I would like to clear up a few lil things, I have had my guy for 3 weeks now and wormed him again today. Everyone was telling me he was fat but to me he looked like a wormy puppy. Should I worm him for consevitive days? I have horse ranch hand experience BUT not much as far as horse being mine. So far I seem to be doing things right - teaching him feet holding, trust , no crowding, NO nipping , or lipping either.

As far as gelding I havnt made my final disision yet. But will add I do not plan on breeding him, He is not (at this point) that good of a represintive of his breed. I am not sure though that I want to castrate him, though I would if he was a goat (go figure). I wish for him to mature to at least 2 years b4 I decide.
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Does it make a difference bettween those gelded early to those later on?

Ok couple of feeding questions -- How much is one pound of food? (sounds stupid I know but I want to be right with it). Which would be better for him right now Hay or pasture? And the other thing I dont quite understand - I can feel his hip but not his ribs? Could someone help me with that one? Thanks again to all!
 
[SIZE=12pt]Hi there and welcome to the forum. You will learn so much here! :new_shocked: You sure do have a cute little guy. Good luck with everything!
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Congratulations!

Since you are a ''newbie'' (and nothing wrong with that! Every one of us was a newbie too when we started out!) I strongly recommend gelding him once he's nice and healthy. Stallions don't make good ''pets'' as they just don't bond like a gelding and sometimes mares do. And, they are unhappy if they don't get to breed a lot usually and are more work to house and handle.

Just by looking at pictures, it's hard to tell whether he's fat or thin or has worms. He does NOT look very healthy to me. I strongly suggest having a good vet look at him, maybe take a fecal sample to see what his parasite gut load is, and recommending a feeding program for you. Have your vet look at him as he progresses to make sure he's on the right track.

I think you are going to have a lot of fun with Commanchee! Good luck with him, keep us updated (and we LOVE to see pictures!) and feel free to ask any questions you might have. Sometimes we may come off as being rude or harsh, but generally everyone only has the best intentions and the well-being of horses in general in mind.

Thanks for posting, and welcome!

Andrea
 
Hallo and welcome!

Regarding worming- go back to the main menu, go to "The Best Of" Forum and you will find lots of advice there.

As has been stated do NOT use Quest. Ever!!

I would geld him- however good he is there is no need for him to have the extra hormones that are only going to cause you trouble in the Spring.

I think we should adopt, as the official Motto of the Miniature Horse "breed" - Worldwide-

"A good stallion makes a GREAT gelding"

Nothing could be more true, believe me.

I have gelded foals that were SO good it would make you cry BUT they were not going into show barns- they were going to places like yours, where being a pet came first and being a "Show Horse" was something that might or might not happen.

And I was happy to sell them there, I LOVE homes like that!!

He is going to need company- are there other horses around??

You can have him gelded now, I do not know where you live but the flies should have stopped and he is a good age to geld, and by the Spring he will just grow up, as opposed to growing into a little monster (potentially, you understand, stallions are not "bad" but yearling colts are a pain in the proverbial!!)

Good Luck with him whatever you decide to do, and keep posting

"There is NO such thing as a "stupid" question" is the motto of this Forum.
 
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How old should he be when I get him gelded? and here goes a couple more ?s. No I do not yet have any more horses. (Im looking for that one special mare, Already bred). But I do have Pgymy goats, Is that a good herd for him?

Also he doesnt run around like I thought he would -- is this normal? He just wanders around eating all day. I dont think I have seen him run one time since I have had him. Also wanted to ask where do you get beet pulp? And what about Red Cell will that help him?

and also something no one has answered yet ------ How much is 1 Pound of food?? thanks guys.
 
How much hay is he getting??

Sorry if you have already answered that!!

He is not running around because, well, basically foals play with other foals and he is feeling pretty lost on his own.

Horses are herd animals and they really do not do well alone- goats are a separate species and they do not speak the same language, also, if they are adult and horned they could hurt him so I would proceed with caution on that one.

Now, this is not mean to sound harsh- you sound like a good owner BUT I would not have sold you one foal, on its own, with no other equines around- I would have sold you one alone only one the condition that you at least borrowed one of my other boys to keep him company.

That said, you can do a lot in the way of toys and lots of interesting walks and things- are there any horses nearby that he could visit??

Also does he have plenty of grazing to keep him occupied- even my weaned foals, who are altogether, only play for a short time in between having what appears to be contests to see who can eat the most!!

It may also be worth having a Vet check him out if he is really listless.

All feed weighs differently so there is no measure that = one pound- you need a good set of scales and a good scoop and find out by weighing a scoop of feed what it weighs.

Keep asking!!!
 
I do think when you get him on a better feed program you will see his energy increase. Hard to know by looking at a picture but I do feel the big belly is from not getting enough protein. This as said above is VERY common in weanlings and yearlings.

Instead of starting him on a ton of different things like red cell and beet pulp I would just buy some Purina Equine Jr. to give him 2 x per day. I like to keep feeding as simple as possible.

All feeds will weigh different so theres no way to answer your question regarding how much it weighs. Get a small scale and keep it in the feed room and you can weigh hay etc right there.

If I was going to geld this horse I would first get him in better shape with feed and then get him gelded as soon as possible.

IMO they do better gelded young before they know the rush of hormones etc.
 
You can have him castrated as soon as his testicles are descended, which can be as early as a month old. If you want to have him gelded, do it now rather than wait until he's 2. Those first years are when he'll need the most training and the best care in order to set him on the right direction. That's the single hardest time to train
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As far as grain weight, a pound is a pound
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One of the BIGGEST mistakes people make is refering to grains by volume. If you are comparing multiple feeds, you absolutely can't use volume. For example, Blue Seal Feed's extruded senior feeds weigh around 0.3lbs per quart. Their sweet feed weighs 1.3lbs per quart. So if you are feeding 5lbs of feed per day (which is an average amount for a large horse, and weights are relatively comparable), that is 3qts of sweet feed, or FIFTEEN quarts of senior feed to get the same nutrition! You just can't compare volume
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You have to go by weight. (same for hay!)
 
:saludando: Hello and welcome from the east coast of Virginia. Check the thrift stores and flea markets or yard sales in your area for a used baby scale. It'll be a great help in measuring feed.
 

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