Odette *colt*, Britt *colt*.

[LittleBittyBritches]

Awww Izzy's puppies are adorable! Congrats! Hope you get some sleep!

 

[Equuisize]

Ohhhh Renee,

You are living my life.

You got puppies!!!!!!!!!!! & a new red headed boy!!!!!!!

Need a room-mate? Not only do I not have any puppy breath, I don't have any

foals to rock. Foo!

Your new babies are wonderful!! Congrats!!

I used to breed Blue Dobermans, many a moon ago. My one female regularly whelped

13 to 14 puppies. A lot of sleepless nights, for a bit, swtiching out 7 and 7 every two hours.

Won't take long as she should have enough nipples for everyone to milk well, for them.

I cooked for my Mommies.....lots of stewed down chicken, brown rice with veggies, heavy on the

broth, plus free fed kibble, for about 4 weeks.

 

[Eagle]

Nancy did you take 7 pups out and leave 7 in? did the mum notice? how far way must they be so that mum doesn't hear them? If they weren't all feeding how long would it take for them to go down hill do you think?

Sorry about all the questions

 

[Eagle]

The proud mummy.

 

[Equuisize]

Look at her, so proud!

What a good job she's doing. She looks calm.

Renee, I did switch them out 7 at a time.

I didn't take them far, so as not to disturb Saabra, my mega whelper.

I put them in a small box with a warm hot water bottle, towels and

and set them in a corner of the whelping box. She could reach in

and sniff them if she chose but she never took any out to add them

to the ones she was currently nursing.

Only thing I did was the smaller of the babies I'd put them in a bit

more often, in the early days.

Good food and lots of fluid will keep Izzy's milk flowing.

Going to be fun to watch her babies grow. She's a beautiful girl.

Do you own the daddy?

 

[Eagle]

Izzy is doing a great job for a first timer, she has learnt to lay near them and not on them which is a great start, lol she keeps them clean and tidy too.

Daddy isn't mine but I will try and find yime to go and take som pics.

How often did you swap the puppies over to feed?

Thanks so much for the help

 

[AnnaC]

Oh Renee they are simply gorgeous and Izzy looks so proud of her brood, bless her!! I too envy you that wonderful puppy breath - what is it with puppy breath that makes us all go yummmmmmmmmmmmm?? Must be something to do with the mother's milk????

Have you managed to catch up on your sleep - what do the boys think of the new pups? Come on we want news, oh and dont forget to report on Odette and Britt ............................ when you have time of course! LOL!!

Karina, sorry if I caused a muddle over the colours, especially if you are tired, but it was you saying that a chestnut can only ever throw a chestnut, that got me thinking. So Dragon (thanks for all the pics Diane LOL!!) who is chestnut and white, cannot be homozygous for chestnut as he has thrown black foals from my mares who carry black? But then the mare (black and white) who threw the solid black foal from Dragon also threw a chestnut and white from him as well so black didn't dominate over chestnut in that case, but perhaps the mare carries both chestnut and black? LOL!! Think we had better end this colour discussion as colours are a total mystery to me, but facinating too. What I need is a load of knowledgable friends, a round table, coffee, a notebook and time to discuss it all and learn!!

By the way Diane, after Ansel and Butterfly gave me two spotty babies, they produced a solid BAY!!

 

[Sandy B]

Good girl Izzy!!! Well I was close to winning at saying 9, but boy was I off base saying more girls than boys. I am so glad they are here safe and sound.

I have bred multiple breeds of show & field dogs over the years. 10 pups is about the maximum I would ever leave all with mom. If you have any small kids, I would take the larger more aggressive pups out 4-6 times a day for an hour or so and put them in a box that had a heating pad on low with a nice thick bath towel on top of the heating pad. That way the smaller pups have a solid chance at getting a good nurse in. I would start feeding Izzy, boiled chicken and plain yogurt or cottage cheese (not low fat) and add it to her kibble with plenty of warm water or low sodium chicken broth if she is not eating well. This will help her milk production. She will soon be ravenous and I would also make sure she is on a high quality grain free Puppy Food or comparable protein kibble. I would also make sure you checked every puppy for cleft palates.

Congrats on the little cuties and I can not wait to watch them grow.

 

[cassie]

Cassie a quick colour explanation.

All horses have a base colour and is either Red or Black based.

Chestnut horses are always homozygous for red so are "ee"

A horse that is black based can be "EE" or "Ee" - EE means the horse carries 2 copies of Black so can never have a chestnut foal and a horse that is "Ee" carries black AND red so its 50/50 on which gene they will pass.

So that means the even though both parents of this foal are Black based they must both be "Ee" so as it happened this time around both parents passed on the red gene to the foal and the result is a chestnut foal which makes him "ee"

thanks for explaining karina

so with my girl Penny, she is chestnut with flaxen mane and tail... she has thrown a pure black colt (to a black and white minimal pinto) and a palomino colt with white blaze, to a palomino stallion... so if she was put to a black stallion she would have more chance of producing a black foal over her lovely red? and would she have to have cream in her genes to produce a pally foal? to the pally stallion... sorry for hijacking Renee, I just get so fascinated by all of this colour and genetic stuff

Good girl Izzy!!! Well I was close to winning at saying 9, but boy was I off base saying more girls than boys. I am so glad they are here safe and sound.

I have bred multiple breeds of show & field dogs over the years. 10 pups is about the maximum I would ever leave all with mom. If you have any small kids, I would take the larger more aggressive pups out 4-6 times a day for an hour or so and put them in a box that had a heating pad on low with a nice thick bath towel on top of the heating pad. That way the smaller pups have a solid chance at getting a good nurse in. I would start feeding Izzy, boiled chicken and plain yogurt or cottage cheese (not low fat) and add it to her kibble with plenty of warm water or low sodium chicken broth if she is not eating well. This will help her milk production. She will soon be ravenous and I would also make sure she is on a high quality grain free Puppy Food or comparable protein kibble. I would also make sure you checked every puppy for cleft palates.

Congrats on the little cuties and I can not wait to watch them grow.

great explanation Sandy,

Renee they look gorgeous!! there is a really good yoghurt called Jalna, don't know if you can get it there but the vet that I work for swears by it for her bitches and pups... as Sandy has said it really helps with milk production

izzy looks like the best mum

I just love the photos!!! how are your other girls doing??

 

[eagles ring farm]

Great job Izzy and congrats on your new handsome colt what a busy night

 

[Equuisize]

I swapped them every two hours, Renee.

They'd eat then pile into a pig pile and sleep then wake and eat.

Every two hours seemed to work the the 13 or 14 whichever size litter she

decided to have.

You don't have to do it forever.

Her milk supply will catch up to the number of babies and they'll be fine.

Just keep an extra eye on the smaller kids (give them extra turns) and the piggy ones can be

pulled off, or they'd eat enough to explode LOL

 

[Eagle]

Thanks for the great advice. I am used to my Yorkie having babies but she always had 4 and managed perfectly

Talking of Yorkies my girl Bicky (who has been recently sterilised) wants these babies, she scratched at the door every time she heard a baby cry last night

If only I hadn't had her "done" I could have given her a few

Anyway babies are all doing fine this morning and so is Izzy

The mares are both looking about the same which is weird as Odette should foal a month before Britt. I hope my Foal-Time strips get here, at the moment they are blocked in Tampa and have been since the 21st

I tried calling but it is a recorded message and they obviously don't recognise my stupid British accent cos it kept thinking I said A instead of J

As you all noticed Eagle threw another red baby

Note to myself ( buying a black stallion won't guarantee black babies) I have now learnt that he is Ee and not EE as I wanted

 

[AnnaC]

Morning Renee!

So glad to hear all is well today in your maternity unit. Hope your test strips for the girls arrive soon, it does sound a bit puzzling if Britt is catching Odette??

Thanks Diane, that helped a lot, but knowing me and my useless brain, I wont remember it (think I wll write it down!). I never breed for colour, jus enjoy being suprised when the foal is born. The only thing we will be testing for is LWO as Dragon is positive.

 

[MeganH]

I have A LOT to learn about genetics and coloring.

Renee...........

............. Would it be too much to ask for a video of the little babies ???

I love the little cries and whimpers and scooting around

 

[Equuisize]

Good idea, Megan...puppies!!! in a video.

Then if you could manage a smell-a-vision video in a couple days so we

could all get a whiff of puppy breath - Man, we'd be in heaven.

 

[cassie]

Good idea, Megan...puppies!!! in a video.

Then if you could manage a smell-a-vision video in a couple days so we

could all get a whiff of puppy breath - Man, we'd be in heaven.

Haha oh yes please!!!

 

[AnnaC]

Oooooo a smell-a-thon!! Brilliant!!

:ThumbUp

 

[Eagle]

o.k I will get a video when they wake up, here is a quick pic

 

[Eagle]

Morning Ladies and Ben

Izzy wanted to come to the stables with me this morning so I took her cos I think she needed the distraction. Last night she was very restless and started digging in her box and sent babies flying

then she didn't want me touching babies and would curl up in a ball.

I left her quiet and just

she seems a bit better this morning. I am uploading a video which is taking ages as youtube decided I am not the original Renee Jewer and wouldn't let me into my account

Britt is making very fast progress which I hope she will stop as she is 287 days today.

today

and then 4 days before foaling last year

 

[Eagle]

Today and a week before foaling last year