Prefix - Suffix.... Convention

[Buckskin gal]

Would have made more sense to just limit one prefix or suffix to one person....why would they legitimately need more? Then the person who doesn't have an extra $100.00 for this and that and everything else would not have been affected. Yes, $100.00 is a lot for the single mom or the senior on a fixed income etc. If it wasn't about money then there shouldn't have been such a tremendous increase. One name per farm is enough!

: Mary

 

[Boinky]

Ok my issue is NOT with the "common" words..which YES that needs to be addressed..there should be specific RULES written about which words are allowed and which are not. many other registries do it! BUT the fact that they allow the SAME names only with periods or apostrophies with it. THAT is wrong..and i would never spend that kind of money on a name untill it is solved. why should i pay that much for a name to have someone else copy my name and just change one little thing to make it "differnt"... The other thing is..with a suffix the regsitry should make the rule that to use a suffix it must be "of XXX" not just a word at the end of the name. that would clear up ALOT of confusion with a suffix. I also think that a prefix name and suffix name should be one and the same. If i had a farm name and i chose to use it at the end of the name as a suffix it should be allowable. NO one should have the same name registered as another farm just as suffix ... that's wrong also..only ONE farm should be able to use the name weather it be used as a prefix or a suffix.

I also don't think the price hike will nessarily end using common words.. the peopel that have money will just still be allowed to do it , untill a rule is made as to which words are and are not acceptable.. that's what they should be focusing on and they should be going through their registry of names and cleaningout names that are already there that are 'common' words and making people change them to something more unique.

 

[Minimor]

I really don't have a problem with the $100 fee; when I went to register my prefix & discovered the fee was only $20 I was surprised. In Morgans it was $80 & I guess I was just expecting something similar.

I do agree with Boinky that once a prefix is registered, nothing similar is allowed. ABC registered means no A.B.C. and no ABC's. I have registered Cedar Plains and don't believe someone else should now be allowed to register Cedarplains. To me that is common sense, and it's not like it would be hard to police, computer program or no computer program. So, I'm curious just what Belinda's first point "change from similar to exact" means??

I also agree that a suffix should be "of" or "by" or maybe even "in"--as an example, I had considered registering the suffix "in Ice" for our Ice Man foals. While all my names could end with "in Ice" that would still leave the word "Ice" available for anyone else to use.

If a prefix has been used for naming horses, I don't think it should have to be renewed. Unused prefixes, yes, if they haven't been used in 10 or 15 or whatever years should be either renewed or put back into the pool for someone else to use. I would be in favor of a transfer fee, if someone no longer using their prefix wishes to transfer it permanently to some other person.

 

[FoRebel]

I feel that the price hike isn't going to stop people from doing what they want to when it comes to registering whatever they want to as a prefix or suffix. I believe that the registry should only allow the name to be used once wether it be a suffix or a prefix... It should just be one registration for the prefix or suffix. I'm glad that I registered our prefix at the time I did though!!

 

[CLC Stables]

Just so you all know, there will be NO SUFFIX's.

Also you can't one person to one name.

For instance there is The Connection in Utah, 3 wonderful ladies, that also each has their own horses, along with partnership horses.

So there are many instances where you want to have one for your "group"

 

[Irish Hills Farm]

Rob,

Could you please be more specific with your statement

Just so you all know, there will be NO SUFFIX's.

 

[Boinky]

I personally see no reason to eliminate suffix's.. if they'd make people use them correctly they wouldn't not be a problem at all..and if they were combined as prefix/suffix not two seperate identies for the same farm. you could use them interchangably depending on how you wanted to name your horse(s)

 

[Karen S]

Good Morning,

I think there is still a lot of confusion in regards to the reason behind the prefix/suffix. I'll use myself as an example here:

My farm name is "Fiddlestix" I have reserved "Fiddlestix" as a prefix and suffix. This program was intended for farm names only not common words.

Horse name: Fiddlestix Silver Silhouette-Prefix

Horse name: Silver Silhouette of Fiddlestix-Suffix

Horse name: Logcabin Rave-N-Beauty (my parents farm name is Logcabin)

Horse name: Rave-N-Beauty of Logcabin

Logcabin would be a registered Prefix and Suffix.

As Rob stated about the "Connection" group of ladies, we also have a well know Shetland family...Roberts Family Ponies....who's kids have also broken off to start their own breeding programs. One is the Journal Editor, Amy Roberts. So that family now has three prefix's/suffixes that they have registerd. All perfectly legal. Amy's stable is "Legacy", her parents are "RFP" Ponies and her brother is "Robert" Family Ponies. So they have reserved all three. Sandy Nicolls has "Establo" as one prefix and "A Stable Business" as a other.

While at convention we did hear about people buying up these common words and were re-selling them. Or using an abbreviated form of the historical names. I would agree with renewing my prefix/suffix every ten years if need be as this would alert the Registry that I'm still out there breeding and promoting the Miniatures & Shetlands. If people reserved a prefix/suffix and got out of breeding and promoting their horses, had no intentions of anyone in their family going on and weren't a big impact on the industry (like the Boones were) then I see no reason why they shouldn't release those names after lets say 25 years. Since I have been involved with this association and in my own area (Area V) I have seen more people come and go (some stayed in as little as three years and some as long as 10) that are not around anymore. If those farms aren't around after 25 years and didn't impact our industry then yes, release any name they had reserved (you might even have a form on line for folks to use to sign and release those old prefix's and suffixes).

I think this would be a workable solution.

Karen

 

[Boinky]

I agree i think there IS alot of confusion. I think instead of doing drastic measures and trying to stop it by upping the price alone, which i don't see that as truly solving the problem. if they made it clear what a suffix was (make sure everyone uses "of/from" ect and make some rules for what sort of "names/words" could be used.. would go ALONG way towards clearing up the problem. i'm not all for price hikes..but that's the least of my concerns with this issue. I think things need to be cleared up because it's still going to be a problem if it's not cleared up as to what a suffix is/is not and what is or is not acceptable for a prefix..INCLUDING fixing the bug that allows the same name with differnt punctuation to be used.....THAT is what i'd like to see happen at this point.

Maybe that's an unrealistic goal... i don't know but education is the way to solve problems not price hikes.. if no one know's what a suffix or prefix is and what is allowed.. people witht he money to buy them will still continue to do as they are doing.

 

[Cathy_H]

Belinda,

Would it not have been better to leave the first one at $20 then charge $100 for the second one . Could even charge an extra $100 for each one after that. Third one would be $200 - Fourth one would be $300......... I agree too many people would have made a dash to buy up at $20 whether they may need them or not... Actually I feel if they are not used within 5 or 10 years they should be made available again................................... On a a side note the $100 protest fee concerns me. Anyone knowlingly doing something wrong knows now that most people cannot afford the $100 fee to protest them.... In this case I feel if the protestor wins then the one doing the dirty deed should have to pay $100 if they are found to be in the wrong.

 

[hhpminis]

I like others that have commented that were at convention all are saying similar things.

Yes the decision was made by the board to raise the price of prefix and suffix were completely done away with from here on out, please correct that if wrong. but...

These issues were openly discussed in ALL the committee meetings and everyone had a chance to give their input and thoughts on this. The people who go to convention are like the rest of you, people who have a great interest in the breed. It is not pocket change for any of us to attend however some can some cant and different years create different circumstances for each.

I highly suggest that you keep in touch with your directors from your area and talk to them, share your feelings and thoughts. They will take those to the table with them and consider them before making a decision. If you dont speak, they can not read your mind.

As far as the committee meetings, for the most part, if the commitees vote the majority a certain way then that is the usual outcome in the board meeting as well, so they do listen.

As with any large organization, you will never be able to please all the people all of the time, but they truly, I feel, are trying to make it as smooth working organization as they can and they work darn hard in doing so. Long meetings sometimes going late into the night, sometimes no dinner breaks. If you want something changed than become active in your area and voice your opinion. Write a letter so when your director sticks their neck out for you they have something to back it and give them the strength to stand for you.

Did I agree with all the voted on suggestions, no, but I was there and I saw that the majority ruled, and that is how it will be. There may have been a better solution but some of the ones you have brought up were not thought of by those that were there. Personally, I was for this after hearing the discussion and I do not have a registered suffix and would like one. Oh well, too bad for me. Maybe the first one at a lower rate and the rest higher would have been a workable solution but it wasn't presented before the vote.

 

[bevann]

I for one would not ever want a registered prefix to be released due to non-use.I use prefixes to track horses on a pedigree.It also tells me sometimes what part of the country the ancestors of a horse came from.For example, I can look at the name Arion and know that John Eberth was the breeder or look at a Little King prefix and know that Mary Ann Eberth was the breeder.I registered my farm name,KNOLLAC, in 1960 with AKC for my German shepherds and later Welsh Corgis and every dog or horse that I am responsible for breeding has the prefix,KNOLLAC. I would never use or even try to use another farm's name on my animals.I do, however, know people who will buy a horse from 1 registry and add OF with their farm name or their farm name to the papers.I feel that buying a prefix or suffix is just protecting an individual's breeding program identity.It shows that you take pride in what you are producing.

 

[Lewella]

Just be glad it will only be $100 - the price originally increase suggested in the Wed. night BOD meeting was MUCH higher!

The BOD is going to carefully work on resolving the issue of the unused and frivilous prefix/suffix purchases and to protect the historical ones.

IMO this price increase was long overdue. A prefix is a trademark and if you aren't going to use it, you shouldn't reserve it. The price increase will prevent a few of these (and it would have prevented pretty much all of them at the figure that was originally tossed out!). There was also talk about finding a way to free up the common words that have already been reserved. I'm all for this!

Like Annette, I don't have a suffix. Does it bother me at all that I now can't purchase one? Heck no! I'd rather see them done away with entirely than continue to be abused.

 

[Boinky]

so are they doing away with the suffix's that already exist and paid for as well?

 

[SunQuest]

I fully agree with you Lisa! I don't mind the increase as much as I mind not being informed in advance.

What I would have a HUGE issue with is releasing a reserved prefix or suffix just because I haven't bred horses for "x" number of years no matter what registery it is. If I pay to have that prefix, it should NOT cost me more to keep it, and it should be mine until I or my estate turns it over to someone else.

You see, just because I don't breed for 10 years doesn't mean that I don't have horses still alive with that prefix associated with me. In fact, I haven't bred any horses for 3 or 4 years now, but I still own some of my own farm breeding and at least one of them I am planning on keeping for a very long time. And AMHR is the only registery that even shows I have foals registered to it and I do have AMHA registered horses on the farm, but just didn't feel that the mare and the stallion that are registered with AMHA would cross well after I saw how they both matured so I didn't breed them as intended. BUT... I made sure that my farm partner and I reserved the prefix with both registeries and eventually I plan on having horses with both registeries.

Now if you really have to release the reserved names, then I guess it should only be done after the registering person has not been a member of the registery for 40 to 50 years. The reason for such a long time frame is so that all the horses that were registered by that person have passed away. After all, it wouldn't be good for someone to take a name from a farm that was in existance 10 years ago and start using it as one could easily ruin the reputation of the horses that are still alive with that farm's name.

Just my $.02 worth.

 

[Relic]

So are you people saying the suffix l payed for is now useless??

 

[hhpminis]

No, nothing that is in place will be altered or taken away. This is a start to fix the problem, not the end all solution but a start.

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Annette did they change things so that even if I paid the 100 bucks I could not become(for example)

H.H.P.-Minis

if I wanted to..

(hey if i am going to take a name might as well be someone I love right) JOKING this whole thing came about due to procastination I guess on my part (ok and not having the $$) to get something for Raven guess I will just work a bit harder save a bit more and eat a bit more top ramen to make it happen

 

[eagles ring farm]

we sent our prefix aplication in about a month ago i hope it has not gotten caught up in this but i don't see it yet on the prefix list

 

[hhpminis]

Eagles Ring, It does take time to update the website especially with all that has been going on with Congress, Nationals, Convention, etc. I am sure you are fine and they will look at dates of requests. One thing that may stop your concern is, were you charged for the transaction already? If so it has been recorded and just not updated.

Lisa, they did discuss this type of example and it seems to me that they said that if it wasn't exact they would look at it and determine if it was the ame or not. For instance JC and JayCee. Spelled different but sounds the same.

Good question and the type of thing you need to let your director know about how you feel and voice your concerns. Otherwise they may never think of it on their own. Dont be afraid of your directors, get to know them, I only know of a couple that would probably bite. LOL just kidding.