saffires foaling thread

[Wings]

Fingers crossed.

These girls are certainly giving you a run of it.

Did the vet discuss the possibility of inducing the birth, would it help in this situation?

My vet hates to do it because it increases the chances of bad presentation but in your situation with a vet on hand perhaps it might be an idea to consider? Although Saffire may have to hold on for at least another two weeks, premmie foals are not easy... or cheap

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[Eagle]

I would suggest you get some "Foal-Time" test strips and test her milk.

(my vet will induce once the milk is at 6.4)

 

[Wings]

Or just check with pool testing strips

it's what I do although I haven't this year

I just put a drop of milk on the ph square and compare it to the read out on the back. I get really good accuracy without the waiting or cost of special foal strips.

 

[Lindi-loo]

Oh poor yo.. youv really been through it with your girls havnt you..sending lotsa {{{{HUGS}}}}

 

[AnnaC]

Oh Jenny, what a bummer! I'm so sorry. Didn't manage to get on the laptop at all yesterday so unable to wish you goot luck at the vets.

Firstly did your vet say why the infection or where it came from? You didn't do an ultra sound or any other proceedure that was slightly 'invasive' did you - mares dont simply develop internal infections without good cause, they are too well protected against them.

IMO Saffire is a lot closer to foaling than 4 weeks anyway - I would say nearer to 10 days or there abouts, so her foal is pretty well ready to meet the outside world.

Detatching of the placenta usually means that you are about to have a red bag birth (my limited understanding of things), the red bags that I have had over the years have mostly been with mares going near or full term with their pregnancy, and you just have to be right there to break the bag and get the foal out immediately as once the placenta splits away completely the foal is no longer receiving oxygen. None of my mares had an infection and they all went on to have normal births later. But in all cases the breaking away of the placenta triggered labour very quickly and we were able to save all the babies - except the first as we had not heard of this and waited for the vet to arrive resulting of course in a dead foal.

Perhaps your vet is hoping the anti-b's will keep the placenta attached for a bit longer and hopefully this will mean that the foal is still able to get oxygen and nourishment for a bit longer? But watch Saffire like a hawk (I know you will) and if she goes into labour I would call your vet immediately to get her to come, and then concentrate on getting that foal OUT as fast as you can - there is a very good chance that he/she will be born alive!

Hoping that Dr Taylor might answer your post on the main forum, and wishing you, Saffire and her little baby the very best of good luck.

What was the news on Dusty?

Big ((((((((((HUGS))))))))))

 

[Wings]

Yup I'd do a crash refresher cours on red bags as if that placenta detaches that foal will come FAST.

Check youtube, you can see a lot of foalings there with people handling things differently. I find some of it very useful!

 

[lucky lodge]

thanks guys i am one stress out person at the moment

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[Wings]

I can imagine

One thing I do to decrease stress is get as much information as I can, i find it helps me calm down when I know what I'm doing.

The other, and not everyone can do this, is seperate yourself emotionaly from the problem. Treat it like business. I know that sounds harsh and it doesn't mean don't care but it can help.

 

[cassie]

you poor thing Jenny!! I have been really busy so I haven't been able to be on here, but I have been thinking of you alot! hope you got my msg earlier... didn't expect you to reply but just wanted to put it out there that I was thinking of you my friend!!

I'm hoping that all will turn out ok and she will go to full term! I'm sure you are prepared but do you have the complete book of foaling? it is THE best guide to foaling mares! if you don't I can probably email you some pages if you like... up to you

sending you lots of hugs as I don't have much knowledge to offer... sorry....

 

[Eagle]

The other, and not everyone can do this, is seperate yourself emotionaly from the problem. Treat it like business. I know that sounds harsh and it doesn't mean don't care but it can help.

This is very true, I had no problem handling all sorts of problems when I was a groom, then when I came to work for my brother-in law I stopped travelling as his show groom and moved over to the breeding barn and foaled out many horses each year with no problem what so ever but when it comes to mine I just totally loose it

I have to really work hard at staying cool and using my head.

Anna and Bree have given you excellent advice, read up as much as you can on red sac births.

 

[lucky lodge]

thanks everyone

i have been googling everything

and what ive read it say even it foal alive it may die 2 days later

i hope its wrong please can everyone try and get some imfo on this for me

 

[Eagle]

and what ive read it say even it foal alive it may die 2 days later

Are you referring to a red sac birth or an immature birth due to a uterus infection here?

A red sac birth can be easily handled but you MUST be there to help, once the foal is out in time it is fine.

 

[lucky lodge]

Are you referring to a red sac birth or an immature birth due to a uterus infection here?

A red sac birth can be easily handled but you MUST be there to help, once the foal is out in time it is fine.

any imfo on ifection in the placenta

 

[Eagle]

What treatment is she receiving at the moment?

 

[lucky lodge]

What treatment is she receiving at the moment?

just antibotics

 

[a mini dream come true]

Bless your heart. Wish I had more information to add, but you have received exellent advice and have my moral support too. Praying for you and Saffire

ray

ray

 

[Riverrose28]

I posted on the thread in the mini forum already, but how many days is she? I had a colt born a few years back, the placenta was separating, so vet told me to watch him like a hawk, she was on a paste antibiotic, not much of a bag, but delivered at 305 days, since I was watching her, I broke the placenta and foal arrive, thankfully in the proper position and he was just fine, although as a precaution he was also on antibiotic injections for 10 days. Now he is a very spunky colt. sorry to hear about your troubles, hope all goes well for you and your mare.

 

[AnnaC]

Must admit that I have never done anti-biotics on any of my red bag foals, BUT I do think that it would be something that I would do on a foal being born from a mare with a known uterine infection as this will possibly have crossed over into the foal.

The reason that I suggested that you phoned your vet immediately Saffire goes into labour, is that as her placenta is already separating the foal might be born before he/she is quite in the correct position, so you will need your vet's help, plus the foal can then receive any anti-biotics/other help that may be necessary straight away.

No, foals born from red bag deliveries dont die a few days later - if they do then there was something else wrong, so dont get 'fixed' on that thought Jenny. A foal might die before birth/right at birth from a red bag, due to it not being born quickly enough (like the first one that I lost due to waiting for the vet as I didn't know what was happening). Luckily all the other ones born this way were there right the other side of the bag and were whipped out as soon as I popped the bag. Dont forget that all foalings should take place very quickly as the foal is 'starved' of oxygen for the brief time that it is squashed into the birth canal.

As for how many days Saffire is 'at' - this year Chapella delivered her filly at 4 to 5 weeks 'early' from her due date and the filly was fine, small, a bit weak, but all there, because mostly they are just growing or getting more 'body mass' during that last month of pregnancy, so if Saffire has reached 300 days in her pregnancy, her baby stands every chance of being perfectly normal in its development.

 

[Wings]

The early ones can and do make it. SOme foals are certainly ready to pop out at 300 days while others needed a bit more cooking.

This one was 7 weeks prem when she arrived http://www.mirrindel.com/miaspage.htm

 

[lucky lodge]

The early ones can and do make it. SOme foals are certainly ready to pop out at 300 days while others needed a bit more cooking.

This one was 7 weeks prem when she arrived http://www.mirrindel.com/miaspage.htm

oh what a special story..and what a stunner she turned out to be

i notice you have a shangrila my stallion is by shangrila bw warrior