The 2012 US Elections -- An Interesting Insight

[Jill]

This morning, I heard an interesting observation from Laura Ingraham that I think may be very meaningful when it comes to November 6, 2012. No matter how you lean, this is a powerful point to ponder.

"Do you know of anyone who voted for McCain last time who's now switching to Obama?"
Personally, I can't say that I do!

 

[Jill]

Mary Lou... Why do you think or want to imply that Mitt Romney is guilty of tax evasion?

Have you seen Romney's 2010 and 2011 tax returns? You know, you can see them. It's not been that long since I think you pointed out that we hadn't seen them (though "we" had seen the 2010 and knew that the 2011 was in preparation). I've seen Romney's. Romney has not evaded taxation. He's paid $$$MILLIONS$$$ in taxation.

Additionally, Mitt Romney is not pitted against McCain in 2012. He is up agaisnt Obama (who's spent 3.5 years showing us exactly why he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance!). I think some conclusions should be apparent.

No matter how much the liberal media wants to vilify Mitt Romney (for his success usually!), the fact is, we know more about Mitt Romney, his finances, and his history than we do about Obama!!!

 

[Debby - LB]

Helloo!! I'm one of the so called 5% who swiched!

 

[Jill]

Debby, I'll bite... Why do you want the USA to get another four years of Obama?

This election year, I am all for HOPE & CHANGE

Meanwhile, on the right side of the fence:

 

[Sonya]

I don't know why people keep saying he is hiding his taxes....they are there for everyone to see...now for Obamas long form birth certificate, that has yet to show up!

 

[Debby - LB]

Well I have to make this fast and get back to work I came here to read about the Chapmans but saw this and couldn't resist...so my short answer is right now I'm looking at Romneys campaign as Bush lll and that sure didn't work... We didn't get in the shape we are in from the current President.

 

[tagalong]

I don't know why people keep saying he is hiding his taxes....they are there for everyone to see...now for Obamas long form birth certificate, that has yet to show up!

The long form birth certificate has shown up and been seen and been verified... thus is old news and I am not sure why it keeps coming back. Just because Sherriff "Get Me Media Attention In Any Way Possible" Joe Arpaio had his own posse "investigate" it - and OF COURSE they found it to be a fraud?? Well, seriously - what other solution were they going to come up with??!! That was a no-brainer. And the only one who takes Sherriff Joe seriously about such matters is... Sherriff Joe. And maybe his hand=picked "posse".

If all the dull and boring tax returns in question are out there for all to see and peruse - then why the ongoing discussion on the right that Romney does not need to turn them over? Even this morning on the radio - with some GOP tax specialists and financial gurus discussing it. Apparently they were unaware that all those returns have been made public as some have said here... guess those guys are all fools and do not have a clue what they are talking about!

I really could care less about that kind of nonsense. Stick to the issues and not trying to find some way to "get" the other candidate. Romney could buy us all many times over. He is going to have tax shelters, offshore bank accounts and so on and so forth. I could care less.

And for the last time - how stupid do some people think the Republican Party and McCain are? They investigated the entire birth certificate issue back in 2008 - and of there was ANYTHING amiss, ANY shadow of a doubt... they would have used it and Obama would not be President now. I am sure the SS, FBI, CIA etc. would also have checked it out. There was no question, no doubt - and nothing they could use. They saw all the certificates - long form and everything else. It should be a non-issue - and the focus should be on the REAL issues. For BOTH candidates.

Actually, if there were 3 more viable parties and candidates - a lot of this "digging up dirt" nonsense and vitriol and venom would evaporate - and everyone would be far too busy actually presenting their platform and discussing the real issues - what a concept!! - and not birth certifcates and tax returns.

 

[Jill]

I'm not sure at what point anything becomes Obama's. His term's nearly over... he has had more than 3.5 years so far. He didn't inherrit an economy. He campaigned for it, and on his ability to fix things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0

^ I think this is one thing he got right ^

 

[tagalong]

Bush inherited Clinton's economy. We were ahead of the game then - and things started to turn around and go downhill. Obama inherited Bush's economy - each President inherits what the guy before him was dealing with and makes it better or worse. Or both - in waves.

A switch does not simply go off every 4 - or 8 - years and everything starts all over again fresh. No matter how much some want to insist that is the case. Economics do not care who is in office. They do not turn on and off on a whim.

Every politician - no matter WHAT party - campaigns on their ability to fix things. Romney does it too. They ALL do it. Do things always get fixed? No. No matter what party is involved.

 

[CharlesFamily]

Actually, if there were 3 more viable parties and candidates - a lot of this "digging up dirt" nonsense and vitriol and venom would evaporate - and everyone would be far too busy actually presenting their platform and discussing the real issues - what a concept!! - and not birth certifcates and tax returns.

Amen! How I wish this were so. And I wish there was even the remote possibility things would change in my lifetime.

Barbara

 

[Sonya]

poor Obama....if he gets re-elected, look at the mess he will inherit!

 

[Jill]

poor Obama....if he gets re-elected, look at the mess he will inherit!

Don't we know it!

 

[tagalong]

Well, he can always use the excuse that the Republicans were in control for the past two years... because that is the excuse that is always used for the mess at the end of Bush's term (that the Dems were in control and were to blame) - especially in threads here. So what is a viable excuse/reason/defense for one side must therefore work for the other. Right?

See? Nothng really changes. Before they are elected, Presidential candidates fault all sorts of procedures about whoever is in office that they then do or do not change when they do get elected.

And each Party faults the other one - and points fingers - for stuff that they have done many times over. Despite what some try to tell you, not all Liberals - or Conservatives - think the same way and walk in lock step.

The two party system is a mess... and not helping the country in any way. All it does is create and enhance division - and confusion.

It is no longer foaling season - so maybe I should change my siggy to:

Hypocrisy exists on BOTH "sides".

.. or words to that effect.

 

[Bess Kelly]

Once the president is elected, the population of USA needs to take A VERY strong look at their congressional reps. There is a great need to debate many of the people in those positions and replacements may be a great move!!

Just my opinion ------

 

[CharlesFamily]

I truly wish there were term limits in Congress. Then maybe people would be more concerned with actually DOING their job instead of just KEEPING their job. That's just one of the many problems I see - the list is long and the truth is, until the majority of the American public wakes up and cares more about who is running the government than who wins on American Idol, nothing is going to change. And I'm not pointing fingers at either party - both are immoral and run by their own special interests. They serve their own interests and not those of the American public.

Okay, rant over and off my soapbox!

Barbara

 

[Jill]

I think more than anything else we could imagine, term limits would go a LONG ways toward solving our political woes.

 

[tagalong]

I agree with the term limits - that would be a good start.

I also note that assorted Republicans think Romney should release those earlier tax reruns (before 2010 and 2011) as well - because he has not done so.

And then maybe we could focus on REAL issues and get this kind of nonsense (the same as birth certificates etc. ) behind us.

Not that showing the real thing stops anyone from saying it does not exist...