Todd Akin - how can you be this ignorant!

[ozymandias]

Think before you vote. That's all I say. There's a lot more at stake than the economy.

...like some of the freedoms we've fought so hard for. The Republican party sure has changed over the past few decades

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-platform-through-the-years-shows-partys-shift-from-moderate-to-conservative/2012/08/28/09094512-ed70-11e1-b09d-07d971dee30a_story.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/28/column-brill-idUSL2E8JS1Y820120828

 

[Jill]

Just curious. Given the fact that constantly you remind us of how you feel about Christians with the offensive videos and cartoons of Christians that you post, threads you initiate to bash Christians, comments to other members' threads constantly to remind us that you are an atheist and that you do not believe in creation and certainly not God (always never capitalized) how do you know what row these gals that you believe to be your friends are actually sitting on? I know, we have heard how one of your sons is a Christian (goes to a Christian school) and your spouse is also a Christian. Did you see where these gals sit while attending something at the church that one of your own family members was involved in? Did the gals tell you (since they confided in you and no one else about their daughters) where they sat? Did family members that attend services tell you where these gals sit? Did you wear a disguise and use a different name on the visitor card? Just curious. Not curious enough to click on the video though.

Vickie, seriously, I am not sure how you could be more right on. So many times, I feel like threads and discussion are instigated with this very ulterior motive, and it bothers me especially when LB is such a "family" and we so often do come together in prayer for one another. I personally feel I've benefited from a unity of prayers from LB during a very scary time in my own past. While I personally do not belong to an organized religion, I respect those who do.

Jill,

I'll watch the video later but I agree with you 100% about entitlement. Maybe that should be a different thread? I was raised and raised my child to believe that you had to work for everything and nothing would be handed to you whether it was good grades, a car, a whatever, hard work had to be involved. And money doesn't grow on trees. It has to be earned.

I still not voting for Romney though but I respect those who chose a different path.

I'd actually love to take part in that kind of a discussion, but am unsure about STARTING it or watching it on LB. I can deal with the fact that while our Nation leans right, most POSTERS on LB lean left. But what I do not want to deal with are the personal attacks and the imposition on the moderators' time. Just not sure I feel up to watching every second to see what someone has said about me personally, nor wanting to put that on the moderators' plates. I've been called a "nazi" and other colorful terms on LB too many times since 2008, and am in no mood as of this date

 

[Jill]

Think before you vote. That's all I say. There's a lot more at stake than the economy.

I couldn't agree more and would like to share the following, an imgage that I made upon hearing the remark yesterday morning. THIS is exactly how I see it in 2012:

 

[ozymandias]

Another GOP representative making ridiculous rape comments. I wonder how they'd feel if it were their daughters or wives that were brutally violated

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/tom-smith-rape_n_1834234.html

 

[ohmt]

You put Biden's comment back in context and it was not even remotely close to what Akin said. Actually, even out of context it's not even there.

 

[Jill]

Disagree, Amanda, and I heard and read the complete Biden remark. BIDEN is the gift that keeps giving if you're a republican... No matter what a "news"caster might state, much like Obama's "You Didn't Built That" remark, it gets no better when heard in the entirety.

 

[ozymandias]

You put Biden's comment back in context and it was not even remotely close to what Akin said. Actually, even out of context it's not even there.

Totally AGREE.

I'm not sure how anyone can minimize what Akin said

 

[Jill]

I surely didn't see ANYONE minimizing the remark by AKIN. Biden's chains remark is another matter, and while we probably have more white women here than black women, still, I hope we all see the issue. I don't think LB is a racist community, nor a sexist one. BOTH remarks are outrageous statements. One gets mainstream attention, and the other does not. However, to ascribe them to "white men" or "republicans" (or democrats in the case of Biden) is to give them a mainstream legitimacy the remarks do not deserve. Seriously... one is not more okay than the other even if we are mostly a collection that identifies primarily as female.

 

[ohmt]

Everyone interprets how they want to

 

[Jill]

Everyone interprets how they want to

Yes, we do, Amanda. We each can decide if we think sexist remarks are more or less tolerable than racist remarks. Some of us will find them to be equally intolerable and wrong.

 

[tagalong]

Biden's remarks got mainstream attention... it was all over the place and was not ignored. Taken in context and with how he has previously described Americans being imprisoned or in chains by big banks etc. (and similar lame metaphors), it was NOT a reference to slavery or racist as so many right wing talking heads fell all over themselves to insist. The African Americans in the crowd Biden was speaking to were not outraged - but I guess we need to tell them they should have been!

The two instances are not even remotely the same. Biden is a bit of a dolt at times and gets his words screwed up and trips over his tongue - Akin knew exactly what he was saying even though he offered a lame "apology".

As far as personal insults in discussions on LB - I have never seen anyone called a Nazi - except maybe the President. Maybe it was deleted but IMO to suggest that the posters on LB who lean left (and only them) might resort to nasty personal insults in a discussion that has not even started yet is perhaps a bit inappropriate.

I know I have never personally insulted anyone - and I never would.

An entitlement discussion would be great, Mountainwoman ...

 

[ohmt]

"Yes, we do, Amanda. We each can decide if we think sexist remarks are more or less tolerable than racist remarks. Some of us will find them to be equally intolerable and wrong."

Or by choosing to take someone's words and make them seem as though they think racist comments are not important.

Thank you, tag

 

[ozymandias]

I feel the "You Didn't Built That" & Biden "chains" comment got totally taken out of context by the republicans.. Why do they do this?? I feel this is dirty politics and I am seeing more and more of it.. In both parties.

As for Akin (I am insulted also) - He and the Republicans needs to stay out of Woman's personal issues.. If Akin's and whoever wants to insult woman, fine.. but they need to keep woman's issues out of their government lawmaking.

Well said

I'm not sticking up for Biden...he sure can put both feet in at times but the "chains" comment was totally changed and ran with by the Republican party and talking heads. He was talking about us all being in chains to big banking and Wall Street (which we ARE) and there wasn't one racial overtone to it until it was totally taken out of context.

 

[Jill]

Again, I have read and heard the full remarks regarding "You didn't built that" and "Put ya'll back in chains.". I didn't need a talking head to interpret the meanings for me. I can figure it out for myself, and many others have as well (shoot, I've even seen the teeshirts and store front signs!).

I took the remarks by Biden and Obama exactly in the spirit in which they were meant. I may be fairly lonely in voicing this perspective here on LB, but then I'm one of the few conservatives who still takes the time to post on LB. If you decide to focus on and be more offended by Akin than what THE Democratic ticket spouts forth, that's just as fine as it is unimpactful of any significant pending opportunities to vote.

 

[vickie gee]

He is still in the state race, right?

Here is a link if anyone would like to read what someone who was the product of a rape says. His name is Ryan Bomberger an he is an extraordinary person. He sums up what is his opinion of how both sides are treating Todd Akin. His video in the article is just so inspiring. He is a gift and a gifted person. http://www.lifenews....dnt-step-aside/

 

[vickie gee]

He is still in the state race, right?

Here is a link if anyone would like to read what someone who was the product of a rape says. His name is Ryan Bomberger an he is an extraordinary person. He sums up what is his opinion of how both sides are treating Todd Akin. His video in the article is just so inspiring. He is a gift and a gifted person. http://www.lifenews....dnt-step-aside/

Well, I am even more in the fan club of Ryan after this. Joking about murder is just too lol, lol, lol it seems. This country needs more people that will stand on "principal rather than party." Ryan you are beautiful and cowardice is ugly. http://www.lifenews....being-murdered/

Glad you were not one of these, Ryan. http://www.numberofabortions.com/

 

[vickie gee]

Gosh, here we have someone who has been rebuked from all angels. Both political parties and both sexes. Sure, some men are obnoxious. Some women are just as equally misguided. To validate his view point of view by pretending it's owned by ANYONE other than him is a disservice and contrived.

As to a sense of entitlement, I'm not sure how what this moron has said equates to THAT, though I do think a sense of entitlement is at the heart of many of our National woes. A sense of entitlement, to me, means that you expect others to provide _______________ for you -- that you are entitled to benefit from the fruits of other people's efforts and success. While I find much (MUCH) fault with what Akin said, and I've not talked to anyone who doesn't, a sense of entitlement is not his encumbrance, even if it is a hot phrase these days.

The media has been ALL over this mess, but have they given equal time to Biden's most recent outrageous remark? Heck no. Why would they when they play for the same team? "Put ya'll back in chains..." Seriously? And just the icing on the cake is which party actually stood up against slavery (Republicans), and from which party the KKK was born (Democrats).

One of my all time favorite personalities in one of my all time favorite YouTube videos. It's both entertaining and informative:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ

Jill, I had not taken the time to watch this until now. This guy Zo pretty much has things down pat. He made me smile and that was hard to do as I just came home from visiting at the home next door to where I grew up. My friends' mom and a good friend to my mom for decades passed away yesterday. So now both my dad and his next door neighbor are both widowers. I come home and watch this video and this guy Zo put a smile on my face. And then at the end I clicked on the video Zo to Sheryl Crow and I "lost it" laughing. So thanks.

 

[vickie gee]

So.....back to principle over party....if Todd Akins who is pro-life beats out Claire whatshername who is all in defense of the war on women aka war on babies (a fetus outside of the womb for crying out loud) I will say to the Show Me State: Yeah, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bryan Fischer of American Family Radio is cheerleading you all the way and a lot of people do not appreciate the cowardice of either political party.

You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.