Tri-colored pintos

[Mona]

Lyn and Carol...(still fftopic: but...) There is nothing wrong with the term cart, carting or cart horse. Just because you don't use the term(s), does not make it wrong when others do.

Main Entry: cart

Function: transitive verb

1 : to carry or convey in or as if in a cart <buses to cart the kids to and from school -- L. S. Gannett>

2 : to take or drag away without ceremony or by force -- usually used with off <they carted him off to jail>

- cart·er noun

So I would think when that horse is used to carry a person in the cart, it is a propely used term.

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[user 488]

Well, Mona......not really arguing here and I agree people can call it whatever they want. But if you are showing or look at any of the specs it is not called carting. That was my only point. It is not called Pleasure Carting or Amateur Owner to Cart.........or Formal Carting. It's a free country.........freedom of speech. And just like the tri colored pinto thing. You may call it tri colored if you like. No skin off anyone elses nose.

 

[Mona]

Well, Mona......not really arguing here and I agree people can call it whatever they want. But if you are showing or look at any of the specs it is not called carting. That was my only point. It is not called Pleasure Carting or Amateur Owner to Cart.........or Formal Carting. It's a free country.........freedom of speech. And just like the tri colored pinto thing. You may call it tri colored if you like. No skin off anyone elses nose.

Yes, people can call it whatever they want, but looks what happens when they do?

Personally, I too say driving, but I sure don't ridicule those that would say carting. You are referring to show classes, but I am also sure they are many older folks that refer to it as carting, or even different areas of the country maybe? Or, maybe just from folks that don't show. I don't know, and really don't care, but I do know that if I was one of those people that use that term, then came here and read this, I would be highly offended by your comments.

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[user 488]

Well, Mona.......I am laughing :new_argue: as I certainly did not intend this to become a cat fight but my intentions are not to offend anyone but to enlighten! All anyone has to do is look at the rule book or Prize list. I am not wrong with what I am saying. And you are not wrong either because you can call it whatever you like. And if you don't show maybe you don't care. But I do think some would really like to know these things......just like they would like to know proper terminology when it comes to color

And I think that the Forum is here for learning. And if one person learns something I think it is a good thing. And if someone learns about tri-colored and Paints and Pintos it is a good thing too. The carting thing is no different. It was just a term that bugged some people.......just like Paint, tri-colored and "own son"

 

[billiethekid40]

WOW WOW WOW did this ever get off topic! Did anyone even READ Martys question? She wasn't asking about a bay pinto, but rather asking about horses who had patches of two different colors on their BODY, I hardly think its fair to say she was being ignorant and mis-using the term. She wanted to know if it was possible to have a horse who had pinto markings in two colors, for example a pinto with some patches chestnut and some patches black.

And as for the term "cart horse" it is an equine term, an old one yes, but its not something people made up. Honestly, if I'm talking to anyone outside of the equine world and say I'm going to "drive" my horse,or I have a driving horse I get a blank stare. If I say I'm going to go "carting" with my horse, or I own a cart horse, or a horse trained to cart...you betcha..instant recognition for the most part. But then, I guess I'm not a "horse term snob" as I don't get upset when people call my mini a pony either.

 

[Frankie]

One thing to consider, we are all in different parts of the country, and even different countries. What I know to be a true term,,,,,,you may have never heard of it before.

And Marty,

My tri-color horses here are the horses with mostly white,,,,brown legs from mud,,,,,,,,and tan backs from grain, from the mouth of another tri-colored horse! :lol:

 

[Marty]

WOW WOW WOW did this ever get off topic! Did anyone even READ Martys question? She wasn't asking about a bay pinto, but rather asking about horses who had patches of two different colors on their BODY, I hardly think its fair to say she was being ignorant and mis-using the term. She wanted to know if it was possible to have a horse who had pinto markings in two colors, for example a pinto with some patches chestnut and some patches black.

THANK YOU BILLIE THE KID!!!!!!!!!

Geesh......and I do know what a bay pinto is.....just happen to have one of those; sorry I"m not quite that ignorant

I AM referring to a pinto with both red (brown) and black spots......

I'm going back in my cave since guys have your fangs out today.

Anyone else need to hide, feel free to join me.........I feel safer in here

 

[Reble]

I will come in with you Marty, :bgrin

Just wish people would stick to the questions?

add their opinions, quite commenting on the advice given.

Stick to their opinion on the question only.

Lot less arguing back in forth.

:488: we could have a party in here. :488:

 

[tagalong]

Marty - sorry - but as others have said - a bay pinto IS a "tri-colour" pinto. As is a buckskin pinto. Or a bay roan pinto. Or a silver bay pinto. Any colour with contrasting points. Them's the facts.

: I have even seen a sorrel pinto with flaxen mane and tail labelled as tri-colour.

It is just one of those mis-nomers often employed to make things sound fancier - i.e. a breeder that advertises - We Breed Only Tri-colour Pintos! Ummmm. Yeah okay.

A "different" colour of spot showing up is simply the countershading or even dappling on say, a bay. Lighter at the flanks... different at the ribs... darker over the hips etc. That's what accounts for the odd spot that well, looks odd.

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And no - my fangs are not out. *shrug* And yes, I read your question. And I have answered it... Fire away.

And in a related subject (is that okay? - it is about colours and all... so not really off topic) ...

The Jockey Club annoys me with their lousy labelling with grey vs. roan. Actual roan Thoroughbreds are few and far between... but any foal that turns grey and did not start out as black (or dark bay) is labelled as ROAN. It is grey. Chestnut turning grey. Light bay going grey. Grey. GREY. *sigh*

 

[lyn_j]

[SIZE=14pt]Not seeing the spot you are refering to I am just going to suggest that it is countershading. Black and black bays are seldom born the color they will have at maturity. I would guess that your Knight Star is a black bay pinto.[/SIZE]

Lyn

 

[Marty]

Thanks Tag!

A "different" colour of spot showing up is simply the countershading or even dappling on say, a bay. Lighter at the flanks... different at the ribs... darker over the hips etc. That's what accounts for the odd spot that well, looks odd.

That was what I was wondering.

Geesh......didn't mean to cause a brawl.......

It's nice in my cave today. I'm serving browines and pepsi today if you have the notion to stop in

 

[billiethekid40]

Oh gosh Marty, I'd love to bring my books and curl up in your cave for some Brownies and Pepsi... sounds sooo much better than doing end of year projects for my university graduation!

 

[Irish Hills Farm]

Marty, Knight Star is a black pinto. He would need the agouti gene to be a bay and since both parents are black pintos, he can't be a bay. Are you sure you just didn't spill bleach on him?

 

[Marty]

I know what Knight Star is!

It's the shading that I am finding interesting.........

I don't even know where this bay stuff came in at......

Holly is the one that is the bay pinto I was referring to in my barn.

It's so nice here in my cave today. I ain't coming back out either.

 

[Sun Runner Stables]

I was simply singgering at all the fangs when I saw the word brownies,.... if I bring cupcakes and some milk can I come into the cave too please... ?? Please?? A cave sounds wonderful after my weekend!

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[Songcatcher]

To answer the question, for a Pinto horse to have a naturally Red spot on one part of its body and a naturally Black spot on another part of its body is genetically IMPOSSIBLE, UNLESS that Black spot is on the lower legs, or in the mane or tail, which of course would make it a Bay Pinto.

 

[Valerie]

Boy, I don't feel like I post on here very much and now I can see why.

Marty, I do hope you didn't think I was taking you to be ignorant, I most certainly wasn't. Perhaps I read the question wrong, but I was just agreeing that I had heard bay pintos being called tri-color as well, maybe that is just around my part of the woods?...I have no idea.

Geez, I would ask to join you in your cave, but I think I would probably be kicked out for being out of touch or ignorant myself. Yikes...and I am not even taking this personally, I just can't believe this is such a hot topic.

I am going to go to my own cave now, or make that my barn to visit with my horses of many colors!! :bgrin

 

[capall beag]

I tried reading this post but it got a tad complicated for me

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Why are people offended by tri or bi color??

Tri to me just means three or two colors........what would it matter?? Just curious?

I don't even know at this stage if this is off or on topic??

Sorry Marty if it is off topic

 

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[Dreamweaver]

I am thinking that a new smilie that is holding a "valium" pill might need to be added soon! :new_shocked: :new_shocked:

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Now, I guess I might throw another loop in this discussion. I have a true tri-color pinto stallion. I have posted him here many times when this subject has come up. He is a sorrell pinto. He has NO black points, but he does have a large dinner plate size BLACK spot on one of his sides and a black spot on his muzzle as well. To top it off, he has had several sorrell pinto foals that also have a black spot or two on them, so he passes it on to his Get. Here is a picture of him....

And, since I raised Appaloosa a good part of my life...there is such a horse as a tri-colored leopard appy. It is a horse that has black AND red spots on it's body at the same time. The red spots are NOT faded black spots. Sometimes they are more brown than red. Also, I still have a full size 21 year old appaloosa gelding. He is a true blue roan with a full blanket. He has lots of different colors, black, white, gray, blue...but he also two perfect TAN spots on his rump. These spots have been on every horse his grand-dam ever produced. She had leopards, blue roans, bays and solids. All of them had at least one tan spot.