What color do you think this mare is?

[MBhorses]

hello,

guess her color for us. her papers have gray and white pinto. she is homozgyous for the tobiano gene. She had a bay and white pinto by a palomino stud before.She is being breed to our bay and white pinto with both blue eyes for 2008. The stud is on my avator.What colors do you think they might have?She has two blue eyes.her sire is blue roan pinto and dam is black and white pinto. she was born grey looking in color, per the first owner.she is neg for the agouti.she is also neg for LWO.The stud is neg for LWO as well.

stud she is being breed to for 2008

 

[Margot]

She looks like maybe a chocolate silver pinto.

 

[Jill]

With her forelock being a little too dark for "basic" silver dapple and her body color.... I wonder if she could be smoky silver black pinto? Plus, I think most black foals are born looking lighter than they grow to be (a/k/a "grey"ish).

 

[MBhorses]

she still has a little fur on her body. Her face and neck was shaved.

 

[Miniv]

I'm confused..........She had a bay and white foal by a palomino stallion??? And she tested negative for the agouti gene???? How is that possible?

Is she PQ-ed?

MA

 

[Margo_C-T]

Here's my guess(and it is only an educated guess, as I have not put a lot of the time into 'studying/memorizing' color principles...)--I think she has silver going on, *perhaps* smoky black, and *perhaps*, splash(two blue eyes)-you have told us what else she has/has not (homozygous for tobi, no LWO).I would question whether the stallion she was bred to when she produced the bay pinto was TRULY a palomino; my guess would be it might have been a silver bay or even silver chestnut(and I know, there are those who believe there is 'no such animal'...!); as it has been and still is fairly common for such horses to be labelled "palomino"(I have even seen such horses advertised on the Sale Board.)Since I do not see your mare as a silver BAY, I would have to wonder where the bay would come from-ergo, it would have had to come from the sire. (Case in point: I myself have a silver bay, who was identified as a 'chestnut' on AMHA papers-when bred to a genuine Palomino, she did produce a solid BAY. If she WERE a chestnut, she could never have produced a bay, bred to a true palomino.) I think the mare you posted is carrying silver, but I don't see evidence of bay in the photos provided. I'll be interested to see what others say....as I said, I have not put the depth of study into this 'color thing', but I AM fascinated by how complex it has turned out to be!

Margo

 

[shane]

oh god im so glad im not into colour genetics :lol: to me she would be a liver chestnut lol nice and simple

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[chandab]

hello,

guess her color for us. her papers have gray and white pinto. she is homozgyous for the tobiano gene. She had a bay and white pinto by a palomino stud before.She is being breed to our bay and white pinto with both blue eyes for 2008. The stud is on my avator.What colors do you think they might have?She has two blue eyes.her sire is blue roan pinto and dam is black and white pinto. she was born grey looking in color, per the first owner.she is neg for the agouti.she is also neg for LWO.The stud is neg for LWO as well.

If her sire is indeed a true blue roan (black roan) and her dam is truly black and white pinto; then she is likely a black pinto (on the off chance her dam was a smokey black pinto, then she could be a smokey black too).

Only way to know for sure would be to test her for red factor, silver and cream (she doesn't look bay, but I suppose she could be a black bay; so it's up to you to decide if you wish to test for agouti).

It's very possible for a black pinto crossed with a palomino to have a bay, the palomino carries agouti (agouti doesn't show on red base).

 

[MBhorses]

She was tested for the agouti already the animal genetics test said aa for agouti. The way i understand is that she does not carry the agouti.

stud book online says that her

sire was PBL which is blue roan pinto the sire's sire was a PBK which is black pinto and dam was solid palomino the the sires side.i taught a roan has to have a roan parent.

dam was PBK which black pinto her sire was a pinto black PBK and dam was PBR which is pinto brown.

For the foal she had the sire was a palomino pinto and his sire was PCS pinto sorrel and dam was SDR solid red dun.

hope this helps

 

[Margo_C-T]

The thing is, you cannot count on colors as given in the Studbooks being correct-so what it says there should be taken with a LARGE 'grain of salt'!

Margo

 

[Minimor]

I am puzzled as to why some of you can't believe this mare had a bay foal when bred to a palomino? Obviously she does not carry agouti--she looks black (in some form, I would agree silver & quite possibly smoky silver black) and has tested to be non-agouti.

However, it is entirely possible for the palomino stallion to carry (and pass on) agouti. There is nothing at all unusual about this cross producing a bay!

As for the question about what she will produce when bred to the pictured bay stallion, that does depend on whether she is homozygous black or not and whether the bay stallion is homozygous for agouti or not. Color possibilities are:

Black

Bay

Chestnut

If the mare (or stallion) is homozygous black then you can eliminate chestnut

If the stallion is homozygous agouti then you can eliminate black

if the mare does carry silver then you could add silver to the black & bay color choices

if the mare happens to be smokey black then you can add smoky black, buckskin & palomino to the list of possible colors

And of course over top all of that you have the pinto coloring, since she is homozygous tobiano.

 

[Doobie]

MY GUESS WOULD BE BUCKSKIN PINTO ???

 

[MBhorses]

Hello,

I looked on stud online about this mare's dam.Her dam has only had black and white foals, so what does that mean for her?

thanks melissa