Fox News -- Fair & Balanced

[susanne]

Funny...I was referring specifically to that email and anyone who would believe or repeat it.

I'm not a McCain supporter, I believe him to be a decent man and I cannot imagine he'd have anything to do with that sort of thing.

 

[Jill]

No, I don't find it at all funny.

I will talk politics all day long. I enjoy it. BUT, it feels like these threads all quickly turn to members who NORMALLY like each other quite a lot being nasty to each other vs. discussing the politics (or heck, I thought this was going to be about Fox News Channel...).

 

[susanne]

...and if it had stayed with Fox, I would likely have said nothing or mentioned that I watched the Palin/Biden debate on our Fox channel to hear what their commentators had to say. But it took a turn many pages before I posted.

I don't think I'm being nasty when I object to such an appalling email. I'd feel the same way if someone sent something like that about McCain.

 

[AppyLover2]

WOW ACORN has been really busy. Investigations in 7 states right now. Over 900 suspect registrations in just one registration office in Missouri and 1100 in Indiana. Looks like the population of America has grown by leaps and bounds in a short time.....and oddly enough they're all old enough to vote.

Edited to add - I think we're all outraged about AIG's boondoggle at taxpayer expense. Anyone have any idea how we could go about letting our voice be heard? Who to contact? Any ideas???

 

[Bassett]

Looks like the population of America has grown by leaps and bounds in a short time.....and oddly enough they're all old enough to vote.

Poor people, missed their whole childhood. Found many with the name of Monica Ray in Missouri. Lots in Nevada that are going to the FBI tomorrow. Just hope it is soon enough to make a difference.

 

[Cathy_H]

Out of 2000 recently submitted registered voters in Indiana 1100 have been found to be illegal............... (another state) - Yes one person was registered 10 times - Monica Ray - all with different telephone #'s & different addresses. Does this person even exist?.

Obama not involved with ACORN!! Please!! I saw Obama myself SAY on televison that he was involved with Project Vote. Project Vote is ACORN's current slogan claiming to register over one million people! ................... Dead or alive, illegal or not - by gosh they are going to do what they have to to win this election!!!! Do you really want someone like that running your country?

 

[littlesteppers]

Out of 2000 recently submitted registered voters in Indiana 1100 have been found to be illegal............... (another state) - Yes one person was registered 10 times - Monica Ray - all with different telephone #'s & different addresses. Does this person even exist?.
Obama not involved with ACORN!! Please!! I saw Obama myself SAY on televison that he was involved with Project Vote. Project Vote is ACORN's current slogan claiming to register over one million people! ................... Dead or alive, illegal or not - by gosh they are going to do what they have to to win this election!!!! Do you really want someone like that running your country?

Oh wow..now they hired felons?? I don't care what party you want to win ..anybody should be outraged!!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail...ces_raided.html

 

[LowriseMinis]

I am having a lot of trouble finding some unbiased sources about what exactly Acorn has done/is doing, and Obama's involvement. A lot of the articles I'm finding are just blog posts from obviously biased bloggers.

I don't think Obama's ever said he wasn't involved in Acorn and yes, Acorn's done some bad stuff. But I ask again, as always, do we have any evidence of wrongdoing BY Obama?

I found one article saying that he was involved with Acorn in 1995-13 years ago.

 

[AppyLover2]

Lowrise why is it any time someone says something you dont like or agree with you expect them to prove it? I'd think if you're so determined to prove everyone wrong you'd look for your own evidence in any of these issues you seem to take such exception to.

 

[Pepipony]

I am having a lot of trouble finding some unbiased sources about what exactly Acorn has done/is doing, and Obama's involvement. A lot of the articles I'm finding are just blog posts from obviously biased bloggers.
I don't think Obama's ever said he wasn't involved in Acorn and yes, Acorn's done some bad stuff. But I ask again, as always, do we have any evidence of wrongdoing BY Obama?

I found one article saying that he was involved with Acorn in 1995-13 years ago.

Aww Hon, you should know by now that if its a negative about the other guy, it doesnt matter what the facts are. If its in print, then it must be true!!!!!!! Now, if its a negative about 'my' guy , then it must be proven true before being believed and even then, 'I'll' probably deny it or figure some excuse on why its there.

We have also learned that every Democrat is at fault for anything and everything that is done in or for their names. While republicans are completely blamless for anything and everything ever done, that ever will be done or ever can be done.

 

[LowriseMinis]

That's the thing, I AM looking and I can't find much.

I have a vested interest in these things called 'facts'. The facts I have right now are that: Obama was at one time involved with Acorn, and that Acorn has done some bad things.

That's it.

What I want to KNOW is when exactly was he involved with Acorn? What was his roll? Are there any concrete ties to any wrongdoing on his part?

Is it really so awful to want to know those things? Yes, speculation is easy. It's easy to go "Oh, look, scary!" and let that be the end of it. But it's not enough for me. I want the truth and in this case, I'm having trouble finding it. I've known about Acorn for a while, now, but even after months of occasional searching, nothing really interesting has come up.

*And to make sure I'm not presenting a double standard, I always try to provide sources when I bring up anything about any of the candidates, so those interested can cross-check my information.

 

[Bassett]

*And to make sure I'm not presenting a double standard, I always try to provide sources when I bring up anything about any of the candidates, so those interested can cross-check my information.

You do, I give you credit for that but is the information you give any more right than the information other people give that you claim is biased?

 

[LowriseMinis]

I try and do my best. Whenever possible I go with national news sources. I know they may have a slight bias but in my experience all the big news sources (FOX included) get the bare-bones facts down right. When I cannot get the information from major news sources I try to cross-reference everything I can-multiple blogs, Wikipedia, FactCheck, whatever's available.

And if anyone ever doubts something I post, they are welcome to ask for different/other sources and I'll do what I can.

 

[tagalong]

Lowrise why is it any time someone says something you dont like or agree with you expect them to prove it? I'd think if you're so determined to prove everyone wrong you'd look for your own evidence in any of these issues you seem to take such exception to.

Imagine that - the desire to base things on facts instead of blogs - which are only someone else's opinion or collections of opinions... or viral emails that have very little to do with fact.

The idea that one should blindly accept whatever you are fed without checking if it is indeed a fact... saddens me. And yet it has happened over and over again in these threads. Lowrise, me, others have all supplies links to PROVE things... not just mudslinging ads, chain emails or Youtube montages.... anyone can use NON-PARTISAN factcheck.org to prove any allegations - only most of you refuse to. And choose to

and belittle and sneer at others instead. And then come back to

about how rude others are??!!

Back to Fox, if you insist. Just saying you are Fair & Balanced does not mean you are - it is simply advertising. Fox, like many other networks, does lean one way. Which is fine as there is nothing wrong with that - but insisting that is not the case is the same as saying that The Daily Kos does not lean left...

 

[Southern_Heart]

LowriseMinis

FOX NEWS info on Obama and Acorn

 

[LowriseMinis]

Thank you for the link, Southern_Heart. I was familiar with Kurtz's article, too, but it was one of the few things I'd been able to find so far! I hadn't seen this article yet.

(edited because I fail at reading headings-article is from Huffington Post)

 

[Southern_Heart]

LowriseMinis,

This is also a good read on Obama and Acorn.

also read this on Obama and acorn

 

[Jill]

I'm thinking if *I* had the number and degree of shady relationships as Obama -- forget what *I* actually did, but if I was connected with crooks, racists and terrorists -- some of you that would elect Obama as President would not want to buy a $5 stable halter from me

 

[tagalong]

Jill.. do you pal around with Sara Palin? Sounds like it..

Really growing tired of the smears and lies.. but it is fair game to do so if you are running for office.. but I sure do not like it..

How about pointing out all the BAD things about Palin, her unpatriotic husband and McCain friends and goofs?? Everytime I ever said anything in the past it was ignored.. I bet hoping it to go away.. and no one makes a big deal about it..

Awww... ML, you know that anything Sarah says/does is beyond reproach as long as she says it all cutesy with lots of winks and you betchas. And that all the intense scrutiny must only go one way...

I have a question for McCain supporters... I see no signs of a maverick of any kind. Would a maverick have supported that immense bailout that may have no effect? Would a maverick have helped add assorted sweeteners/pork to such a bailout? Would a maverick have started out last night supporting a bailout for all those who have gotten into mortgage trouble??

I don't think so... in fact it seemed more Democratic than Republican... or far beyond Dem with the mortgage offer... and more Socialist.

*puzzled*

The debate last night... not that it was actually a debate per se... just made me roll my eyes and want some - I dunno - substance. Real solutions. A real maverick. Someone who will not just go with the flow but break the trail.

I do not think that either candidate is showing that...

 

[littlesteppers]

Last nights debate was pitiful.. Please do some of the fact check on the LIES that McCain did.. He is no better then Bush and totally going off his nut.. The first warning sign was when he picked Palin.. And last night was pitiful.. I really see his desire but he just does not have anything left to take on the problems Bush is leaving us with..
I like McCain but it is past his time.. he needs to be put out to pasture.. and enjoy the sweet life with his charming wife.. I truly mean that..

Well FACTS are mcCain did 7 lies and Obama did 8 lies..