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The human race is a disgrace. There are times am I ashamed to be human. The things that animals are put through just for the benefit of people sickens me. I just found out some home truths about the racehorse industry that really upsets me, as well as some details about big time breeders.

Horses are such forgiving creatures.
 
Anybody else "Squirming" in their seat reading this?? I would throw my tail up over my back too!!
 
I have a horse that was shown by a trainer as a yearling (was not owned by me at the time) and he was gingered for that year of his life at shows, he is 4 now and still gets extremely weird when you go near his rear, and will kick the head off of any tailer that gets anywhere near him. He is also extremely hard to get a blanket on, you can get it buy him but when you try to put the leg straps he thinks you are going to do something to him...I beleive it must have left a very bad impression on him!

The sad thing is that it happens in our registry (ASPC) more than you think. It is illegal in the MP division but I saw it happening right in the warm up arena this year at Congress..... You can pick them out in the MP Stallion division if you look at the pics... I personally can never imagine myself using ginger when you have the option of a fake tail!
 
And sadly no one called it to anyone(s) attention (stewards????), if it was it was ignored. It is illegal to ginger MP's. But Moderns and ASPR you can. I have seen it go both ways - the inexperienced who ginger do it wrong and those that do it right - the pony only reacts for a short period of time, and sometimes it wears off before they get in their class.

Do they need it? I haven't finished forming an opinion yet.
 
The sad thing is that it happens in our registry (ASPC) more than you think.
The registry above was not the specific registry to whom these horses belonged, but sadly this occured at a certain event a few years ago, not showing, but a different sort of event. I was glad to see it was not followed through with the following year.
 
Somehow I would guess that the judge didn't test?
No, he so kindly informed the other judge that it was "her turn"...said he'd get the glove & it was her turn to taste.... my friend told them that she doesn't do spices!
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The people that do this must not have confidence in themselves, their horses, or their breeding programs to have to resort to such sick methods for a lousy ribbon or to make a sale. These are not horse people. They can't be if they think its ok to cheat and inflict pain.

I wouldn't associate myself with these kind of people if I knew who did these things and certainly never purchase a horse from them. SHAMEFUL.
 
The human race is a disgrace. There are times am I ashamed to be human. The things that animals are put through just for the benefit of people sickens me. I just found out some home truths about the racehorse industry that really upsets me, as well as some details about big time breeders.
Horses are such forgiving creatures.
Well put.......I've known about gingering......and am aware of other methods. Yes, it is very shameful. And it's all to win, win, win.

Your last line says it all.......
 
I would never do it either..could never figure why you would do it and then show the horse so it blooded up and then try and make it stand still properly! They stand all wide bhind or squirmy or plain out kicking..the reason a horse flags its tail is exurberance..or a great croup..nope never my boys....I agree it should be banned everywhere....geesh why not put barb wire on the halter chain too...
 
Do they need it? I haven't finished forming an opinion yet.

Umm I am pretty sure it is a straight forward answer -NO HORSE NEEDS GINGER UP THERE butt

People do all kinds of crazy things to try and get an edge and win in our breed (meaning AMHR/ASPC ) I find it even stupider since we do not even have what other breeds consider big $ paybacks. I don't think money makes it ok don't get me wrong but sheer ego alone as the reason well that is just totally shameful
 
LOL, reminded me of a tale from about 10 years ago at an Arabian show in the UK... very prominent judge suspected one of the big-name stallions of being gingered. Stuck her finger you know where, tasted it and DQ'd the horse!

That judge put her finger where her mouth is! (play on words) LOL
Or you might say that the Arabian horse show world left a bad taste in her mouth?

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Back to the serious side, I absolutely agree with you, ~Lisa~ There is no possible result that could ever justify this practice.
 
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I have seen it go both ways - the inexperienced who ginger do it wrong and those that do it right - the pony only reacts for a short period of time, and sometimes it wears off before they get in their class.
Do they need it? I haven't finished forming an opinion yet.
Well, that is an interesting distinction! The ones who do it "right" the pony only SUFFERS for a short period of time? Excuse me, I don't think there is a RIGHT way to torture a FRIEND! This is disgusting and sick. If you will cross into this gray territory, how easy would it be to slip into other unacceptable practices such as doping (oh yes, that DOES happen as well! Do they "NEED" that?), intimidation and fear to blow your pony up before it goes in for a halter class, and so many other things I have heard and/or seen since getting into showing. IMO any animal owned by people who think this way are nothing short of prisoners. How could these animals possibly look forward to working for and playing with the humans in their lives? Sure, their coats may shine, but their brains will eventually fry and their guts look like craters of the moon. And all you have left are the $1.50 bits of ribbon in the end...

Please think long and hard before jumping onto this ethical landslide. Your horses, your silent friends, are counting on you to make the right decisions on their behalf. They give you EVERYTHING, you have to know this. They deserve to have the very best of you.

Your horses are your mirror.
 
Your horses are your mirror.
Bautifully said Clickmini. May I have permission to use this quote and should I attribute it to you?

Charlotte

Thank you Amy.
 
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Thank you, Charlotte. I am not the originator of that quote, and I am not sure who is...I co-opted it myself as it is very true! Feel free to use it.
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Gingering is a live and well in AMHA/AMHR/ASPC and many auctions. Its really unfortunate and I will NEVER agree that its okay to do. I have said so many times that even if a person doesnt want to show they should go watch some shows and see how some people/ farms treat their horses. Its a real eye opener. I wont ever subscribe to the "do anything to win a ribbon" I have seen how miserable these gingered horses are, especially when its done to weanlings. Makes me sick to my stomach. I dont think filing a complaint will do any good at all. The horses are obviously gingered and there is no way you can tell me that the stewards and judges dont know it.
 
I am appalled. The horses are innocent and the people that do it are SICK !!
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No wonder I see so many minis with puffed up tails.
 
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Boy I tell ya - I must be living under a rock. I have never heard of "gingering". What does it do to make the horse hold it's tail up? Does it burn? Please enlghten me. I'm assuming it is uncomfortable for the horse, but have no idea why ginger would make a horse hold it's tail up. I guess because I would NEVER consider doing anything to one of my horses to make it uncomfortable. I just don't have any experience with any of these things and am proud to say so.

Yes, some people will stop at nothing to get a ribbon even if it is at the horses expense. Sad isn't it????
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Well now that I took the time to read this entire thread I am more than appalled! What on earth is wrong with people.....................???????
 
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For those of you that don't know or never heard of "gingering" here is a description:

Today this practice still occurs, now called gingering the tail or simply gingering. Today the purpose is mostly to make the horse carry its tail high, and to a lesser extent to encourage the horse to move in a lively fashion. It is a particular problem for the halter horses in the Arabian and American Saddlebred breeds, where high tail carriage and animation are desired traits. However, nearly all horse show sanctioning organizations in the USA explicitly forbid it and have the authority to disqualify a horse abused in this way. While some areas may be less than rigorous about enforcing the rule, tests such as "ginger swabbing" may be done to detect the presence of ginger in the anus. While it is not entirely reliable, concerns of being detected by anal tests has led to some horse handlers placing the raw ginger in the vagina, if the horse is a mare.[3] A modern veterinary dictionary notes that vaginal placement is more effective than anal insertion, because the ginger is likely to remain in place longer, and concludes gingering "would be considered to be an act of cruelty in any civilized community."[4]

Karen
 
and yet it is still allowed under our rules in ASPC.....
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...only one of many cruel practices done to horses in the name of 'winning'...

I especially appreciate the comments by Marty and Amy Lacy.

I well recall seeing CLEAR evidence of sale horses having been gingered at the sale held during AMHA(then-called) Nationals several years back...in the early 2000's. I've also seen the same in other sales I've personally viewed--and/or photos of same.

I am heartened to see that people are, as they should be, horrified by such actions.

Margo
 

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