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We have our vet pull a blood sample, which has to be done 60 days after breeding. We have not always had accurate results with this type of testing. I would love to have an ultra sound done on them, but our vets won't do it on miniature horses! We are in an area where there simply aren't any other miniature farms. I would have to take my mares 70 miles away to get it done, and we just can't take the time to do that.

Do your vets ultrasound? Or, do you use the blood test?
 
My vet won't ultrasound either and he thinks the blood tests are a waste of time.

I would use weefoal 38 or 120 depending on the mares gestation but I prefer to just wait for foal movement as mares can abort early and late in pregnancy.

I personally don't consider a mare bred unless I feel foal movement.
 
Our vet is a big horse vet too. I wanted to have a horse ultrasounded and they said they could perform it with a probe used for alpacas. Well after sedating the mare and inserting the probe she torn the mares rectum. It healed Ok, but I will never have another one done. I have had 100% success with the blood tests done by the vet, but find they are expensive by the time you pay the call out fee the test in our area is $130. a piece. the next time I breed a mare I'm going to try the urine test.
 
We had our mares done last time by an exterior ultrasound. Worked great on all 4, saw movement and even a heartbeat on one. She refused to go inside and she had a small hand. But the outside belly was fine and we confirmed all in foal. Now, we save the money and just wait and see.

Marsha
 
I use wee foal. Ive only had one test that was inaccurate. We could never figure out why.

The rest have been correct.
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Our vet is a big horse vet too. I wanted to have a horse ultrasounded and they said they could perform it with a probe used for alpacas. Well after sedating the mare and inserting the probe she torn the mares rectum. It healed Ok, but I will never have another one done. I have had 100% success with the blood tests done by the vet, but find they are expensive by the time you pay the call out fee the test in our area is $130. a piece. the next time I breed a mare I'm going to try the urine test.
Yes, the blood tests can be very expensive, especially when you have five or more mares you want tested! I like to keep the price of my sales horses low, but once you figure in the pregnancy tests, the Coggins, the registration, the DNA for the registries plus DNA for color, plus vaccinations and farrier... Sheesh!

Sometimes I think I should have gone to vet school! LOL!
 
We usually have our vet ultrasound and palpate, but this year she had surgery and was out for a long time. So, we are winging it, just keeping an eye on the mares and roll as it comes.

The problem with Wee Foal and blood testing is they are testing for pregnancy hormone which could still be present after a recent abortion/absorption so all they really say is the mare was pregnant at some recent point, but not that she is currently at 100%
 
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I used the WeeFoal 38 at around 50 days and also the 120 at around 150 days. Both were positive and and now I can feel the little stinker in there moving around
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Unless I am selling a mare to a client as guarenteed in foal I use the two legs and a nose test...always 100% accurate!
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For me I don't breed any more mares after June so the test is a risk and expense I don't need. I treat all mares exposed as bred until they show me otherwise.
 
We ultrasound several times during their pregnancy to verify they are still in foal. It is also great to know the position the foal is in toward the end of the pregnancy.

Nothing like wasting time thinking they are pregnant when they are open!!

We do them ourselves, so we can do them whenever we are in the mood, and as I LOVE doing sonograms, that maybe often.
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I do either a Pregnamare (blood test) or WeeFoal 38 (urine) test or an ultrasound to confirm pregnancy early and calculate due dates. Then during the winter (like now) I do a WeeFoal 120 urine test to confirm they are STILL pregnant. Why? After watching our first bred mare (confirmed by US) bag up on schedule, putting her on Mare Stare and watching for 2 weeks, it turned out she was not pregnant. Well, what it really meant was she lost the foal sometime and her body didn't seem to notice. Do not want to go through that again, (although we have since had much worse outcomes than that).

ETA: The Wee Foal 120 tests for something in the fetus itself, so will not give a positive if the mare has lost the foal like our first mare did.
 
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We ultrasound at around 30 days- the vet uses the probe and we have never had any issues or problems. At another farm I worked at, the vet had very small hands and that practice had no ultrasound equipment so we palpated... again, NEVER with any ill effects.

No need to recheck the two ladies-in-waiting this year - they are both very round and obviously still pregnant!
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We use a do-it-yourself-test. It tests for estrogen, so if the foal is aborted the mares shows not pregnant.

You get some urine from your mare. Then you put some drops battery-acid from (not actually) your car or something like that in the urine. Pay attention at this step and don't get hurt. Then you have to have a really good UV-lamp on hand. If the mare is pregnant then this mixture will glue in the dark. If not then not.

This works 120 days after breeding.
 
Farina, you actually put battery acid in the urine, how much? has it worked very well for you?
 
Farina, I would like more info on this battery acid stuff. What is it, I work in a lab, maybe I could get it and test my mares myself like you do. Hmmm, this is a very interesting idea. DETAILS please.
 
Sandy, in your case without a vet to palpate or ultrasoud, you should consider using the WeeFoal tests. Inexpensive and highly accurate. Non invasive. They've been 100% accurate for me so far.
 
I FEEL them! Just felt La La's baby move for the first time today and am SO EXCITED!

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She is 207 days today, maiden, 29".

But back to your question......I would only consider transrectal ultrasound if I was sure the vet was very experienced with miniature mares. We are very lucky to have a top mini vet here nearby and I have always had my mares ultrasounded. this year I didn't. I'm just always a bit nervous as it is an invasive procedure and not without some risk.

I tried the Weefoal urine test on one mare recently and had my suspicion confirmed, but I played he!! getting that urine sample! I used the 120 test. Maybe you would have better luck getting a urine sample, but again that test can give a false positive.

I've always been told by the vets that the blood tests are only about 80% accurate.

So bottom line is....Who said it?....Two feet and a nose!
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Charlotte
 
Unfortunately in Veterinary Medicine so much comes down to cost rather than what is better. In Human Medicine, where cost is almost no object, usually a blood test as well as MULTIPLE ultrasounds are performed and these are usually done after a home pregnancy urine test was done also.

Unfortunately, most people cannot afford that level of care or the individual animal is not perceived to have that much value. Each test has has its advantages/disadvantages, be understanding about the limitations.

Rectals, whether they be done by hand or with an ultrasound probe, have inherent risk. Which means given any operator a certain number of mares will have rectal tears. But the number is quite low, most equine Vets have less than 1 or 2 in their career (haven't had my first one yet, but that just means I'm due eventually).

But blood draws have inherent risk also. I have been associated with a horse who died after a venous blood draw performed routinely by a qualified Vet (not me). There was no mistake and the horse tested negative for all clotting defects and toxins.

External ultrasounds are less risk, but frequently they cannot give the same level of information as early as a rectal ultrasound.

For those of you who feel their local Vet won't do something, usually (but not always) this means the Vet (who has to be a business person also) does not see return on the investment of time or money. I have bought expensive equipment for infrequent use, but only for clients who have demonstrated themselves not to mind me charging them for the investment. I am far less likely to stick my neck out for a client that I don't think will do enough business with me to be profitable. To give a spot of reference, in my practice that would be a client that has been with the practice for >5yrs and spent on average over $2000/yr.

Dr Taylor
 
Farina, you actually put battery acid in the urine, how much? has it worked very well for you?
I have put some drops of battery acid in the urine. I have tested 15 horses (mares not bred, mares confirmed in foal, geldings and stallions) and it always worked for me. Only my confirmed mare is pregnant and no one else... ;)

Farina, I would like more info on this battery acid stuff. What is it, I work in a lab, maybe I could get it and test my mares myself like you do. Hmmm, this is a very interesting idea. DETAILS please.
I am not sure but the battery acid is here in batteries to start your car. I think that would be the same for you (?). Here are some companies selling parts for cars and there is battery acid avalible. So (here in europe) you don't have to work in a lab it is avalible for everyone. Perhaps you may ask someone who is familiar repairing cars?
 

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